Quran burning: Obama apologizes

RealGunner wrote:still don't get how u can burn a holy book accidentally

According what I read they burned a lot of documents and books because they thought that they had terrorist stuff in them, and according to what they say they didn't know they were in there ..

7amood11 wrote:

free_cat wrote:Ridiculous that some people are willing to kill other people for burning pieces of paper (and it seems that unintentionally).

I think that just shows how ignorant you are toward the Quran's significance.

That being said, the guy shouldn't have been killed.

But tbh he brought it on himself. He probably knew he was provoking a massive reaction.

I'm not ignorant of the Koran being sacred to muslims.

This doesn't change at all my point of view and I think yours is execrable and immoral. You are basically saying that the guy deserved to be killed for burning a book?? Shame on you.

Qoran is just a book, pieces of papers with writings on them held together. Nobody deserves to die for burning a book. I don't like books being burnt, because they are a source of wisdom usually, but nobody deserves a punishment for burning one.

It's the same with flags, I don't like people burning flags, but no one should be punished for burning one, whatever the flag is: Spanis, European, American or Catalan.

RealGunner wrote:still don't get how u can burn a holy book accidentally

It's not like "holy books" have alarms that set-off when they are about to be burnt or neon lights saying "HOLY BOOK DON'T BURN". They can easily be burnt altogether with other unholy books, magazines or other stuff, which being in Arab you can't even read the cover.

seriously though muslims burn their own qurans when they get old instead of throwing them in the garbage, Qurans with printing errors in them are also burned so the act itself isnt the problem but rather the intentions. So if it's true that it was burned accidentally then there shouldnt be an issue in the first place

zizzle wrote:seriously though muslims burn their own qurans when they get old instead of throwing them in the garbage, Qurans with printing errors in them are also burned so the act itself isnt the problem but rather the intentions. So if it's true that it was burned accidentally then there shouldnt be an issue in the first place

Even if it is accidental or not I won't stop the brainwashed extremists

zizzle wrote:seriously though muslims burn their own qurans when they get old instead of throwing them in the garbage, Qurans with printing errors in them are also burned so the act itself isnt the problem but rather the intentions. So if it's true that it was burned accidentally then there shouldnt be an issue in the first place

Even if he burnt it with the intention to offend Islam, he doesn't deserves any punishment. It's an act of free speach that doesn't hurt anyone. He is just burning a paper.

Some religious people feel offended? Well guys, just toughen up a bit. If you can't cope with someone burning a paper, you'd better be prepared for the blows live gives you sometimes.

free_cat wrote:

zizzle wrote:seriously though muslims burn their own qurans when they get old instead of throwing them in the garbage, Qurans with printing errors in them are also burned so the act itself isnt the problem but rather the intentions. So if it's true that it was burned accidentally then there shouldnt be an issue in the first place

Even if he burnt it with the intention to offend Islam, he doesn't deserves any punishment. It's an act of free speach that doesn't hurt anyone. He is just burning a paper.

Some religious people feel offended? Well guys, just toughen up a bit. If you can't cope with someone burning a paper, you'd better be prepared for the blows live gives you sometimes.

hmmm but if some one talks about the Zionist's its considerd antisemitism

buddhas of bamiyan - over 2000 year old unique statues destroyed intentionally by taliban - buddhists don't give a shit, noone is hurt

koran - one of the billions of copies of a book accidentally burned - people die

religion of peace

why?

surely if something claims to be the code all people should obey it should be foolproof against interpretation that will harm innocent people no?

che wrote:why?

surely if something claims to be the code all people should obey it should be foolproof against interpretation that will harm innocent people no?

If everyone had the same interpretation then we wouldn't be humans...

Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"

Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

20 seconds of google search suggests there are lots of things they follow too...

plus the quran wasnt even printed by the time Muhammad (pbuh) died so there is simply no rule on the matter. Whoever says the guy should be killed is coming up with his OWN interpretations

che wrote:

Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"

Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Aj
ccursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

20 seconds of google search suggests there are lots of things they follow too...

Another 2-3 hours will give u context of those pharses... I can easily come up with phrases from all the religions but if u read them in context u will know what hey mean..

Most of quoted are from the war times in arabia

che wrote:

Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"

Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

20 seconds of google search suggests there are lots of things they follow too...

now you're doing exactly what the extremists do, you're taking the verse out of context

33:60 If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who spread false news among the people in Al-Madinah stop not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbors but a little while.

This verse is talking about those who were spreading lies in Al-Madina in the hopes to start a war. These verses are EXCULSIVE to them and is not a general rule

imalegend wrote:

I can easily come up with phrases from all the religions but if u read them in context u will know what hey mean..

oh i'm sure you can, that's why i'm against organized religion in general, not just islam

Most of quoted are from the war times in arabia

i'm fully aware of that, the entire book was written in the middle ages, all the more reasons to finally start disregarding it...

che wrote:

imalegend wrote:

I can easily come up with phrases from all the religions but if u read them in context u will know what hey mean..

oh i'm sure you can, that's why i'm against organized religion in general, not just islam

Most of quoted are from the war times in arabia

i'm fully aware of that, the entire book was written in the middle ages, all the more reasons to finally start disregarding it...

situational verses are already disregarded unless a similar situation arises

zizzle wrote:

now you're doing exactly what the extremists do, you're taking the verse out of context

that's the entire point, surely a book that's supposed to be the universal guide on morality shouldn't have to use goddamn asterisks to distinguish between who you can and who you can't murder?

translation:
1st pic, during the murder trial of Faraj Foad (writter)

judge: why did you kill Faraj Foad
Murderer: Because he's Kafir (not a believer)
Judge: from which one his books did you learn that
Murderer: i didnt read his books
judge: how come?
murdered: i cant read or write



2nd pic during the murder trial of egytian presedent Sadaat

Judge: why did you kill sadaat
Murderer: because he's seculer
Judge: what does the word seculer mean
Murderer: i dont know


3rd picture during the trial of a guy who attempted to kill nobel prize winner Najeeb mahfooz

Judge: why did you stab him
defendent: because he's a Kafir
judge: how do you know
defendent: from his book 'welad haritna'
juddge: did you read that book
defendent: no




do you think we can use these people to judge truly judge islam?

if this mindset was limited to isolated incidents and not to people actively running countries, i wouldn't

sadly...

supra969 wrote:

free_cat wrote:

zizzle wrote:seriously though muslims burn their own qurans when they get old instead of throwing them in the garbage, Qurans with printing errors in them are also burned so the act itself isnt the problem but rather the intentions. So if it's true that it was burned accidentally then there shouldnt be an issue in the first place

Even if he burnt it with the intention to offend Islam, he doesn't deserves any punishment. It's an act of free speach that doesn't hurt anyone. He is just burning a paper.

Some religious people feel offended? Well guys, just toughen up a bit. If you can't cope with someone burning a paper, you'd better be prepared for the blows live gives you sometimes.

hmmm but if some one talks about the Zionist's its considerd antisemitism

Talking about Zionism is perfectly respectable.

What is not respectable, is talking about seggregating and/or killing jews = antisemitism = hate speach.

7amood11 wrote:

free_cat wrote:

7amood11 wrote:

free_cat wrote:Ridiculous that some people are willing to kill other people for burning pieces of paper (and it seems that unintentionally).

I think that just shows how ignorant you are toward the Quran's significance.

That being said, the guy shouldn't have been killed.

But tbh he brought it on himself. He probably knew he was provoking a massive reaction.

I'm not ignorant of the Koran being sacred to muslims.

This doesn't change at all my point of view and I think yours is execrable and immoral. You are basically saying that the guy deserved to be killed for burning a book?? Shame on you.

Qoran is just a book, pieces of papers with writings on them held together. Nobody deserves to die for burning a book. I don't like books being burnt, because they are a source of wisdom usually, but nobody deserves a punishment for burning one.

It's the same with flags, I don't like people burning flags, but no one should be punished for burning one, whatever the flag is: Spanis, European, American or Catalan.

How on earth did you come to the idea that I said the guy deserved it? I clearly said: "the guy shouldn't have been killed. " Sure I won't feel sorry for the guy one bit if he intentionally did it, but I never said that I condoned murder.

Ok, you are right, but sentences like "he has brought it to himself" are far from condemning a case of murder because he burnt a book.

Look at Morrocan laws:

''the vote of man equals two"

''infidel cant object in the court against muslim''


Just some of them.



Here is some thing for liberals and people who dont know:

There isnt such thing as ''moderate'' islam. Muslims, the true believers are told to follow Coran word by word, as it is book written by the Prophet. Islam is ideology not just religion that narrates how to do things: run the gov, law system, banking, how to eat and even how to go to toilet.





You may not like jews or Indians, but these people felt on their skin what is Islam when it is followed completely. Thus, they are very hostile and ruthless against it.



There isnt such thing as moderate Islam, you are either follow it completely, or you are not a Muslim, same with Christianity.