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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:57 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/world/meast/iraq-us-troops/?hpt=hp_c1&imw=Y
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Post by TalkingReckless Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:40 pm

this will destabilize the area even more
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Post by zizzle Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:34 pm

elections move
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:24 pm

They should never have been there in the first place

Now they are going to leave the area worse off than it was and even more destabilized

Well done....

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Post by Yuri Yukuv Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:56 am

Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that
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Post by McLewis Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:14 am

Well the American people no longer care for the war. They just want their boys home again. Same goes for Afghanistan.

It was a campaign promise as well for Obama. Not surprised he's following through with it, regardless of the consequences.

Ultimately. The Bush Administration and every member of Congress who supported them in this ridiculous venture should shoulder the sole blame for both wars imo. We went over there with oil and revenge on our minds. The cost of lives has been appalling as a result.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:25 am

Yuri Yukuv wrote:Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that

You would rather stay there for what? Enough NATO and Iraqi lives have been lost, enough things have been bombed. Bombs don't stop terrorism, in fact I'm sure people are more likely to form groups to attack the west than they were before because they have seen the devastation foreign powers have caused.

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Post by che Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:36 am

luckily for bush usa ignores the icc, the *bleep* would hang for war crimes if they didn't... or, well, live out his life in a comfortable prison cell since this is civilized europe
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Post by Vibe Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:16 am

America :facepalm: Is there bigger disgrace in the world?Their whole society is sinister and deviant.They should be forbidden to breed for the sake of the future of this world...America will end us.
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Post by Grande_Milano Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:41 am

Damn that might backfire
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Post by zizzle Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:47 pm

well, sometimes you really wonder if the Americans really know what they're doing ! first they go into Iraq thinking that the people will literally welcome them with open arms but they never though that every 'unemployed gorilla fighter' will be waiting there, then they bring on the old iraqi opposition and expect them to win the election in a tribal socienty and watch them lose to the poppets of Iran...i mean wasnt it obvious in the first place ?
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Post by Lord Spencer Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:55 pm

It is worse for Iraq that the U.S. leaves though.

I hope my country does not plunge into chaos.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:57 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:It is worse for Iraq that the U.S. leaves though.

I hope my country does not plunge into chaos.

Never knew you were Iraqi.

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Post by Raptorgunner Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:07 pm

Leaving will destroy Iraq if there is any thing to destroy.
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Post by Lord Spencer Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:44 pm

english_jewel wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:It is worse for Iraq that the U.S. leaves though.

I hope my country does not plunge into chaos.

Never knew you were Iraqi.

I am part Iraqi part Qatifi
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Post by MJ Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:57 pm

Oh it's sad to think about Iraq. If America hadn't intervened, Saddam would still be standing, but even though they toppled him, chaos reigned instead. It's like there was no right choice. :facepalm:
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Post by Lord Spencer Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:17 pm

MJGunner wrote:Oh it's sad to think about Iraq. If America hadn't intervened, Saddam would still be standing, but even though they toppled him, chaos reigned instead. It's like there was no right choice. Obama pledges to leave Iraq within 2 months 1625187496


It is better than Saddam's days, at least now we have some potential to grow when in Saddam's days he stifled every Iraqi and caused the country to stagnate.

The reason for the Chaos is not much the occupation as much as the regional powers making Iraq their battlefield with Syria and Turkey fighting the kurds, Saudi Arabia funding the terrorists against the Shia. Iran funding the militia against the U.S., and the U.S. not knowing what the hell to do because all hell broke loose.

Things did not escalate until terrorist bombed two Shia mosques, which is when Shia militia began to form in retaliation.

Regardless, things are slowly getting better, it took France 100 years to recover from their revolution. I would not rush our recovery.
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Post by mr-r34 Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:31 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:It is worse for Iraq that the U.S. leaves though.

I hope my country does not plunge into chaos.

Probably will, got some relatives back there, hopefully their going to be ok, a lot of my uncles and aunts, even to this day prefer the old days to nowadays and the terror the Us have caused.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:43 am

english_jewel wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that

You would rather stay there for what? Enough NATO and Iraqi lives have been lost, enough things have been bombed. Bombs don't stop terrorism, in fact I'm sure people are more likely to form groups to attack the west than they were before because they have seen the devastation foreign powers have caused.

Because there is no constitutional democracy yet, the state of the country is still very fluid, the country's shia elite have sided with our enemies iran and syria in defiance many times even though we brought them freedom. There was mass civil war and genocide, minorities like christians/arab sunnis and women are still discriminated against.

You are a man when you finish the job you begun.

Us quitting right now is like a heart doctor who quits half way through the operation.
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:31 pm

Yuri Yukuv wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that

You would rather stay there for what? Enough NATO and Iraqi lives have been lost, enough things have been bombed. Bombs don't stop terrorism, in fact I'm sure people are more likely to form groups to attack the west than they were before because they have seen the devastation foreign powers have caused.

Because there is no constitutional democracy yet, the state of the country is still very fluid, the country's shia elite have sided with our enemies iran and syria in defiance many times even though we brought them freedom. There was mass civil war and genocide, minorities like christians/arab sunnis and women are still discriminated against.

You are a man when you finish the job you begun.

Us quitting right now is like a heart doctor who quits half way through the operation.

You also supported Saddam who really like to kill Shia's and Kurds, which is why both sides would rather side with the people who did not support Saddam.

Not to mention that the majority of the casualties in number and percentage were/are Shia and they are killed by Sunni terrorists.

The Christian minority is mostly not hassled as the Sunni/Shia divide is occupying the people, while parts in the country were the people were ignored by terrorist scum like Kurdistan, it has been largely safe in comparison. Women are not a minority Yuri, they never were. If you mean Women are discriminated against then as far as anyone can do anything in times of war, women are NOT discriminated against. There is equal representation ins whatever school's are functional.

The Sunni's are largely present in the government, and are present in all matters concerning Iraq. Even though most Sunni's live in desert parts with no strategic resources whatsoever.

However, you always supported Saudi Arabia, whose discrimination against women is widely known. Not to mention their discrimination against Shia minorities who happen to be right were the Oil reserves are. But again, the American government are friends with us, and they would continue to support us because our princess invest heavily in their elections. In spite of everything we do, the U.S. will always love us because they love our Oil, money, and heavy investments.
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Post by •MilanDevil• Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:08 pm

The people need to work together to build the country, we have the resources to do so. But, the only problem is that people's mentality changed overtime.

If only King Faisal II ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_II_of_Iraq) had the chance to build the country at that time.
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Post by Messi Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:14 pm

Great decision. Enough money wasted. Noone truly understands why US is there to begin with. The most logical reason, is oil companies bribed politicians.
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Post by Yuri Yukuv Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:52 am

Lord Spencer wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that

You would rather stay there for what? Enough NATO and Iraqi lives have been lost, enough things have been bombed. Bombs don't stop terrorism, in fact I'm sure people are more likely to form groups to attack the west than they were before because they have seen the devastation foreign powers have caused.

Because there is no constitutional democracy yet, the state of the country is still very fluid, the country's shia elite have sided with our enemies iran and syria in defiance many times even though we brought them freedom. There was mass civil war and genocide, minorities like christians/arab sunnis and women are still discriminated against.

You are a man when you finish the job you begun.

Us quitting right now is like a heart doctor who quits half way through the operation.

You also supported Saddam who really like to kill Shia's and Kurds, which is why both sides would rather side with the people who did not support Saddam.

Not to mention that the majority of the casualties in number and percentage were/are Shia and they are killed by Sunni terrorists.

The Christian minority is mostly not hassled as the Sunni/Shia divide is occupying the people, while parts in the country were the people were ignored by terrorist scum like Kurdistan, it has been largely safe in comparison. Women are not a minority Yuri, they never were. If you mean Women are discriminated against then as far as anyone can do anything in times of war, women are NOT discriminated against. There is equal representation ins whatever school's are functional.

The Sunni's are largely present in the government, and are present in all matters concerning Iraq. Even though most Sunni's live in desert parts with no strategic resources whatsoever.

However, you always supported Saudi Arabia, whose discrimination against women is widely known. Not to mention their discrimination against Shia minorities who happen to be right were the Oil reserves are. But again, the American government are friends with us, and they would continue to support us because our princess invest heavily in their elections. In spite of everything we do, the U.S. will always love us because they love our Oil, money, and heavy investments.

Lets be serious here, we supported saddam against iran (the regime that kidnapped our diplomats) but little else, we were never an ally of iraq like we are with turkey, egypt, the shah's iran or saudi arabia. Most of the iraqi people were also very supportive of their country in its war with iran.

Can you please show me where you got these percentages and numbers from?

Here are the goverment sanctioned shia death squads in iraq




I watch this video and I get very depressed, because I feel that we as humans did not take the chance to progress even when given a golden chance.

Women are being violated and oppressed in iraq, I dont care which way you slice it.

Who said I supported saudi arabia? How can I support a system that I completely disagree with? I think they are the best picks for allies in the arab world, they are the best of the bad. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly dont want any other country in the world to become another saudi arabia.

The problem in iraq is that the shia majority saw it as an opportunity for revenge against the sunnis through the ballot box and then exclusion/security. Thats not what we its about, its about team work, society, forgiveness, individual rights and most importantly looking at the future and not the past. Look at the south africans and how they had truth councils and there was nation wide forgiveness.

There is no people that I have been disappointed in like the iraqis, I think its sad but we need to try harder to get through to them not to throw in the towel.

I am also disappointed that you would be defending the state of things right now in your country, your country can do much much better.

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Post by Zealous Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:42 am

I hope Iraq comes out of all this a better place in the end. You can't deny that it's on the brink right now and once the US leave anything goes.

On the flip side the occupation ends and I'm sure that will release some tension.
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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:36 am

Yuri Yukuv wrote:
Lord Spencer wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
Yuri Yukuv wrote:Worse US decision in last ten years was to enter iraq , this one comes close to that

You would rather stay there for what? Enough NATO and Iraqi lives have been lost, enough things have been bombed. Bombs don't stop terrorism, in fact I'm sure people are more likely to form groups to attack the west than they were before because they have seen the devastation foreign powers have caused.

Because there is no constitutional democracy yet, the state of the country is still very fluid, the country's shia elite have sided with our enemies iran and syria in defiance many times even though we brought them freedom. There was mass civil war and genocide, minorities like christians/arab sunnis and women are still discriminated against.

You are a man when you finish the job you begun.

Us quitting right now is like a heart doctor who quits half way through the operation.

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You also supported Saddam who really like to kill Shia's and Kurds, which is why both sides would rather side with the people who did not support Saddam.

Not to mention that the majority of the casualties in number and percentage were/are Shia and they are killed by Sunni terrorists.

The Christian minority is mostly not hassled as the Sunni/Shia divide is occupying the people, while parts in the country were the people were ignored by terrorist scum like Kurdistan, it has been largely safe in comparison. Women are not a minority Yuri, they never were. If you mean Women are discriminated against then as far as anyone can do anything in times of war, women are NOT discriminated against. There is equal representation ins whatever school's are functional.

The Sunni's are largely present in the government, and are present in all matters concerning Iraq. Even though most Sunni's live in desert parts with no strategic resources whatsoever.

However, you always supported Saudi Arabia, whose discrimination against women is widely known. Not to mention their discrimination against Shia minorities who happen to be right were the Oil reserves are. But again, the American government are friends with us, and they would continue to support us because our princess invest heavily in their elections. In spite of everything we do, the U.S. will always love us because they love our Oil, money, and heavy investments.

Lets be serious here, we supported saddam against iran (the regime that kidnapped our diplomats) but little else, we were never an ally of iraq like we are with turkey, egypt, the shah's iran or saudi arabia. Most of the iraqi people were also very supportive of their country in its war with iran.

Can you please show me where you got these percentages and numbers from?

Here are the goverment sanctioned shia death squads in iraq




I watch this video and I get very depressed, because I feel that we as humans did not take the chance to progress even when given a golden chance.

Women are being violated and oppressed in iraq, I dont care which way you slice it.

Who said I supported saudi arabia? How can I support a system that I completely disagree with? I think they are the best picks for allies in the arab world, they are the best of the bad. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly dont want any other country in the world to become another saudi arabia.

The problem in iraq is that the shia majority saw it as an opportunity for revenge against the sunnis through the ballot box and then exclusion/security. Thats not what we its about, its about team work, society, forgiveness, individual rights and most importantly looking at the future and not the past. Look at the south africans and how they had truth councils and there was nation wide forgiveness.

There is no people that I have been disappointed in like the iraqis, I think its sad but we need to try harder to get through to them not to throw in the towel.

I am also disappointed that you would be defending the state of things right now in your country, your country can do much much better.


It is not difficult coming to that conclusion when the cities with the
highest death tolls are Baghdad, Karbala, Najaf, and Samarra. Kurdistan
were most of the moderate Sunni population is has the lowest death
tolls, whereas Sunni heavy areas never get attacked by Suicide bombers,
who count along with car bombs as in 40% of the total Civilian death
toll

The government sanctioned bit is BS and you know it. It is government tolerated at most, and it is so as not to anger the militias into doing more chaos. And 10,000 is a small number of the total 600,000 some sources provide.

Women being violated, you mean like the Mahmudiyah killings which were done by U.S. forces. Most rape cases were perpetrated by U.S. forces and U.S. mercenaries, so excuse the Iraqi public for putting more restrictions on their daughters for fear of them being raped by U.S. forces.

And in order for rights to exist at all, you need a stable society, and no stable society exists. But seriously, when did women get their rights in the U.S. or the blacks. the 70's, and the blacks are still the most jailed and least employed.

I agree though, women in IRaq are being violated, by U.S. forces and mercenaries.

Looking at South Africa now, the majority of blacks are still undereducated, underemployed, and insecure. Which is normal because the Apartheid lasted long. Point is that 8 years are a short time for genuine improvement. Not to mention that most Shia instigated violence only started in 2006 after the Samarra bombings. Which were Al-Qaeda attacks on Shia. So I am not sure about the revenge mentality when Shia's were basically stable until 2006. When Ayatollah Sistani was completly ignored in his pleads for the Shia to not retaliate.

And I am disappointed, but not much because I am not stupid to think that it only takes 8 years to fix all the grime Saddam caused. It would at least take 20 years to get this war off our backs. The U.S. took 40 years before they wrote the second constitution, before which they were unstable and ridiculed by Europe.

France took 100 years to fix themselves after their revolution, and China took 30+ years and they still have issues to work with other than economical. Japan took 20 years to be able to stand up again, and that with American help and no terrorists.

I am disappointed by the Americans, who had no intelligence in which to approach this war, and not ONE single Iraqi adviser to ask for advice from. They sunk from one mistake to another, and turned what could have been a Japan to a Vietnam. The single most stupid campaign in history, and it was not the Iraqi's who did it as much as the Americans. For one thing, approaching the war with a false premise (the WMDs) made you lose any credibility. Second, approaching this as a regular war instead of a war of attrition with your "shock and awe" tactics made you only kill civilians with your entery and you gained their animosity instead of compassion. Third, you tried to force your own version of democracy in a fragmented side instead of building from the ground up. Not to mention the extreme of stupidity of ordering the execution of Saddam in Eid and hence passing him off as a martyr.
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