Why is Sahin being ostracized?

supra969 wrote:

free_cat wrote:What a great team Leverkusen. A good example of the mighty Bundesliga. 1-3 playing at 50%.

almost scored a second with a half arsed team im pretty sure farca wouldnt be on the same level
with half the team out

Mmmm. Nice football knoweledge you have. Talking like Barça doesn't have any players out. Villa, Xavi, Afellay, Fontas, Keita (this is actually good), Pique all out.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Bundesliga mediocre you do realise Leverkusen were missing half a team?

Bundesliga is a fantastic level of football and has more than just two great teams.

Unlike La Liga.

Yeah, and Alexis is a hell of a dribler and passer.

Cat, you need to chill out man.

Not liking the tone of your posts in this thread, which is ridiculously off-topic anyway.

free_cat wrote:

supra969 wrote:

free_cat wrote:What a great team Leverkusen. A good example of the mighty Bundesliga. 1-3 playing at 50%.

almost scored a second with a half arsed team im pretty sure farca wouldnt be on the same level
with half the team out

Mmmm. Nice football knoweledge you have. Talking like Barça doesn't have any players out. Villa, Xavi, Afellay, Fontas, Keita (this is actually good), Pique all out.

still not close enough when leverkuzen miss out on the likes of ballack sam etc etc

its like barca loosing their first squad


[wow][/wow]

I would say missing Xavi, the best midfielder in the world, is a bigger loss than ballack and sam put together.. and dont forget that Iniesta is just coming back from a injury and not match fit.

izzy wrote:Free, what's your basis for the Bundesliga being 'mediocre'?

How long have you followed BL?
Do you watch any games?
Have you tuned in at all?

Really, what are you basing that on?

I base it on the fact that every single time Barça plays vs. a German team in the last 6-7 years, we leave their anus like the flag of Japan.

In 05/06 we beat Werder Bremen easily home and away (0-2 & 3-1)
In 07/08 exactly the same vs. Stuttgart in the group phases, and we even beat Schalke easily although only 2-0 agreggate, being this the worst Barça of the last 7 years.
In 08/09 we destroyed Bayern
In 09/10 we destroued Stutgart (how can such a mediocre team qualify for the CL so often in Germany?)
In 11/12 we didn't even need to show up to beat Leverkusen.

I'm also basing my assessement in the fact that German teams have done nothing of merit in Europe consistently since Oliver Kahn's Bayern. Yeah, Bayern reached a CL final which was mostly luck and which everyone knew they would win, yeah Schalke reached a semifinal again with lots of luck and everyone knew they would be kicked-out then.

free_cat wrote:

izzy wrote:Free, what's your basis for the Bundesliga being 'mediocre'?

How long have you followed BL?
Do you watch any games?
Have you tuned in at all?

Really, what are you basing that on?

I base it on the fact that every single time Barça plays vs. a German team in the last 6-7 years, we leave their anus like the flag of Japan.

In 05/06 we beat Werder Bremen easily home and away (0-2 & 3-1)
In 07/08 exactly the same vs. Stuttgart in the group phases, and we even beat Schalke easily although only 2-0 agreggate, being this the worst Barça of the last 7 years.
In 08/09 we destroyed Bayern
In 09/10 we destroued Stutgart (how can such a mediocre team qualify for the CL so often in Germany?)
In 11/12 we didn't even need to show up to beat Leverkusen.

I'm also basing my assessement in the fact that German teams have done nothing of merit in Europe consistently since Oliver Kahn's Bayern. Yeah, Bayern reached a CL final which was mostly luck and which everyone knew they would win, yeah Schalke reached a semifinal again with lots of luck and everyone knew they would be kicked-out then.

lots of luck seriously

^^^^^^^^^^ Troll post is a clear troll post

free_cat wrote:

izzy wrote:Free, what's your basis for the Bundesliga being 'mediocre'?

How long have you followed BL?
Do you watch any games?
Have you tuned in at all?

Really, what are you basing that on?

I base it on the fact that every single time Barça plays vs. a German team in the last 6-7 years, we leave their anus like the flag of Japan.

In 05/06 we beat Werder Bremen easily home and away (0-2 & 3-1)
In 07/08 exactly the same vs. Stuttgart in the group phases, and we even beat Schalke easily although only 2-0 agreggate, being this the worst Barça of the last 7 years.
In 08/09 we destroyed Bayern
In 09/10 we destroued Stutgart (how can such a mediocre team qualify for the CL so often in Germany?)
In 11/12 we didn't even need to show up to beat Leverkusen.

I'm also basing my assessement in the fact that German teams have done nothing of merit in Europe consistently since Oliver Kahn's Bayern. Yeah, Bayern reached a CL final which was mostly luck and which everyone knew they would win, yeah Schalke reached a semifinal again with lots of luck and everyone knew they would be kicked-out then.

how i wish you would face gladbach one day, im pretty sure theyll do better than bayern mucnhen and the game would be awesome

izzy wrote:^^^^^^^^^^ Troll post is a clear troll post

Can you explain why I'm trolling? I'm just stating a series of easy Barça victories over German clubs in the last 6-7 years. No german team has come close, not to beat us, but even to trouble us. Including the worst Barça that ever existed during that era that was a hopeless team.

supra969 wrote:
lots of luck seriously

It's not us who had the luck, it's Bayern Munich to reach the final. They never really deserved to go past Fiorentina. Schalke, I agree, weren't so lucky, it was more incompetence from Valencia forwards (Valencia as a whole was a better team) and incredible competence from Manuel Neuer.
But anyway, as we say in catalan, a flower doesn't make it summertime. (in this case two flowers).

They need to show that they are somebody in Europe consistently for me to rate them.

deadrave wrote:
how i wish you would face gladbach one day, im pretty sure theyll do better than bayern mucnhen and the game would be awesome

I also would wish to face Monchengladbach in 1/4 of the UCL, and why not, BVB in 1/2 and Bayern in the final. Not saying we would win them all, sooner or later you can also lose to a mediocre team.

You're trolling because if you actually think that anyone is going to take you seriously with that post and that you judge the entire BL on games against Barca, then whatever.

That is a quite stupid and foolish way to judge the quality of a league. Tune into the BL from time to time and I know for a fact your mind would be changed.

besides barca would struggle in our lovely leauge

izzy wrote:You're trolling because if you actually think that anyone is going to take you seriously with that post and that you judge the entire BL on games against Barca, then whatever.

That is a quite stupid and foolish way to judge the quality of a league. Tune into the BL from time to time and I know for a fact your mind would be changed.

I'm sure Bundesliga is competitive and entertaining. It's also the second best run league in the world IMO. That's not I'm saying. What I'm saying, is that German teams are not very good as proven when they play in Europe, and more specifically, as I don't care about Spain as Doc explained, as proven when they play vs. Barça. Solid facts = Bundesliga teams have sucked.

supra969 wrote:besides barca would struggle in our lovely leauge

We would struggle, I agree. It would be extremely boring to have the league wrapped up in Christmass every season.

free_cat wrote:

izzy wrote:You're trolling because if you actually think that anyone is going to take you seriously with that post and that you judge the entire BL on games against Barca, then whatever.

That is a quite stupid and foolish way to judge the quality of a league. Tune into the BL from time to time and I know for a fact your mind would be changed.

I'm sure Bundesliga is competitive and entertaining. It's also the second best run league in the world IMO. That's not I'm saying. What I'm saying, is that German teams are not very good as proven when they play in Europe, and more specifically, as I don't care about Spain as Doc explained, as proven when they play vs. Barça. Solid facts = Bundesliga teams have sucked.

supra969 wrote:besides barca would struggle in our lovely leauge

We would struggle, I agree. It would be extremely boring to have the league wrapped up in Christmass every season.

wouldnt even win a cl spot

Why not? All these teams that are managing to get horribly destroyed year after year, would spotaneously become unvincible against us? How would they do that? What's your plan Supra?

If you judge by how teams play against Barca in the past couple years, all leagues are sh*t, so I don't really get your point.

But I think the point Bundesliga supporters are trying to make is: the Bundesliga is a league in flux. I bet no Bundesliga supporter was surprised at any of those losses against Barca.
And I didn't expect Neverkusen to do much today.

But that doesn't mean that Barca would just walk through Bayern, BMG, Dortmund or Schalke this season. It's just that no team in the Bundesliga has a ridiculous Real/Barca-style TV money deal, so it's pretty much only Bayern who can just buy their way out of a dip in form, and even they don't manage to do so. Bayerns squad is now arguably only second to those of Real and Barca, maybe City, yet they don't lead the league.

I don't think anyone expects any Bundesliga club to walk the UCL, but dismissing the entire league just because Barca is having the run of a century is a bit... Weak, in terms of logic and coherence.

VivaStPauli wrote:If you judge by how teams play against Barca in the past couple years, all leagues are sh*t, so I don't really get your point.

Not really, English and Italian teams have quite good record vs. us in the same span period.

VivaStPauli wrote: Bayerns squad is now arguably only second to those of Real and Barca, maybe City, yet they don't lead the league.

That's the main reason I'm being so vocal against the bundesliga. The assumption you german fans make that Bayern is almost at Barça or Madrid level. No, they aren't. They aren't even better than Manchester United, City, and they would have lots of problems vs. other top english and serie A sides.

That's why they are not leading Bundesliga, because they are not that good, not the other way around.

free_cat wrote:That's why they are not leading Bundesliga, because they are not that good, not the other way around.

What exactly are you basing this on? Have you actually watched them play this season?

McLewis wrote:

free_cat wrote:That's why they are not leading Bundesliga, because they are not that good, not the other way around.

What exactly are you basing this on? Have you actually watched them play this season?

What are they basing them on rating Bayern as the "second best team in Europe" as they did for a while? Have they really been tested? I don't think so.

Good night!

free_cat wrote:

McLewis wrote:

free_cat wrote:That's why they are not leading Bundesliga, because they are not that good, not the other way around.

What exactly are you basing this on? Have you actually watched them play this season?

What are they basing them on rating Bayern as the "second best team in Europe" as they did for a while? Have they really been tested? I don't think so.

Good night!

dosent count we both know why

The Gladbach hype is getting absurd now, they wouldn't fair any better than Leverkusen did.

Well, does anyone remember how long it took Kaka before he finally got to play after injury?

Mou is really careful with these things... If you have been out for too long, wait 'til next season..