should arshavin even be second choice?

Eman wrote:AOC coming off was a ridiculous decision, and the lack of his presence *bleep* us, but it's not like Arshavin lost us that game. He didn't do much, he shouldn't have came on, but rot in the reserves? No.

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:

Eman wrote:AOC coming off was a ridiculous decision, and the lack of his presence *bleep* us, but it's not like Arshavin lost us that game. He didn't do much, he shouldn't have came on, but rot in the reserves? No.

lol were else then? ryo/park>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>him so only place for him is reserves.

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:HE MADE the mistake at the back by being so goddam poor in the challenge. if a player is not good enough fine...BUT IF A PLAYER SHOWS NO DESIRE!!! then i find it a disgrace for people to defend him.

Eman wrote:

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:HE MADE the mistake at the back by being so goddam poor in the challenge. if a player is not good enough fine...BUT IF A PLAYER SHOWS NO DESIRE!!! then i find it a disgrace for people to defend him.

He got beaten by a winger in a one-on-one with no support, then backtracked and won a last-ditch tackle (running more than anybody, despite having "no desire"), but was only able to poke the ball away and it fell to a player that our defence was not marking. There isn't a winger on our team who would have done more than that - that's not to say he didn't mess up in the initial challenge, but he's not a defender, so what he did do was about as much as we should expect from a winger.

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:you need to watch the man utd wingers more mate, arshavins poor defending have made you think that thats the norm or something.

Eman wrote:

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:you need to watch the man utd wingers more mate, arshavins poor defending have made you think that thats the norm or something.

Your initial point was that Arshavin was showing no effort, and that's why you were annoyed with him, but what I'm saying is that he did show effort. Maybe he isn't great at defending all the time, but he tried is my point, so I don't see why you're angry with him specifically.

Anyway, our only winger who can defend appears to be Gervinho.

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:nah man, seriously watch it again, with more desire he would have got that ball. he was jogging around and challenging with no aggression or nothing.

gunnerlistick wrote:He is half arsed attempt to defend was embarrassing and pathetic, this just sums up Arshavin. A gifted player but his lack of desire and passion just beggers belief really

Eman wrote:

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:nah man, seriously watch it again, with more desire he would have got that ball. he was jogging around and challenging with no aggression or nothing.

gunnerlistick wrote:He is half arsed attempt to defend was embarrassing and pathetic, this just sums up Arshavin. A gifted player but his lack of desire and passion just beggers belief really

Go to 1:50 of the video. Arshavin puts his head down and chases Valencia back the moment he gets beat, stays at his side to pressure him as Valencia goes 1-v-1 with Vermaelen, and then remains with him when the others back off. He is also the only guy to attempt and win a challenge. I guess Vermaelen and Song have no desire either, right?

RedEyesWhiteBeard wrote:straight away when Valencia got the ball he should have closed him down tighter and denied the space, he could of even fouled him ffs. just kick him, pounch him ffs, just dont let him get into the box. once valencia got into the box it was too late, it was now very hard to defend, what could verm and song do except jocky? they ddint want to risk a peno.

The Verminator wrote:I have to admit that Shava's challenge was very poor. I mean yea Valencia tricked him into thinking he was gonna cross it but he wasn't even very convincing that he was gonna cross it.

But you also got blame Song too. He completely moved away from Valencia thinking that he would pass to someone but he was in no mans land. That was very poor from him too.