"Money doesn't kill football, the lack of a transfer ceiling cap does"

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:34 pm

There are tons of comments in this board about how City and previously Chelsea (as well as big spenders Madrid and Barca) are "killing" football, inflating prices, etc. But that only happens in a system that allows them to become big boys by spending money. Had there been a transfer cap (and perhaps a wage one) clubs would be forced to depend on good management, youth development and scouting in order to succeed, I'm sure that in such a world Arsenal would have won a significant title in recent years, for one, and clubs would actually be profitable (The FFP is primarily designed to do this, as 80% of clubs right now make loses, truly staggering). It would make leagues more competitive as it would no longer be possible to create teams of superstars, and at the same time make these stars more accessible to mid-table clubs (and increase their power to retain them).

Overall I see a lot of positives and not many negatives that can't be adressed. What are your thoughts on the subject?

Yes = agree
No = disagree

by che Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:42 pm

transfer cap is just an unfair way of punishing teams that have earned a lot of money through their own means and activities

ffp is the best idea to go by, but it needs to be actually implemented, which is apparently never gonna happen

by kiranr Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:49 pm

Transfer caps and wage caps are a bad idea.

Restriction is not the way to improve something. Sure, the direct effect might be to increase competitiveness of the "lesser" teams, but in the long run, there will be multiple secondary and tertiary effects that will be detrimental to the game.

Why should we stop a rich Sheik from coming and buying a club and spending multiples of hundred's of millions in a club? In fact, he has made a few other clubs richer with this influx of money which they have used to get out of debt or strengthen their squad.

FFP is also not a great idea IMO. Focusing on things like video replays and goal line technology and investing to improve the quality of referees will improve the game manifold relative to transfer caps or FFP.

by rwo power Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:51 pm

Well, in the Bundesliga, the financial monitoring is pretty heavy for a long while now. Even though there were black sheep once in a while, they were still forced to balance their books ASAP. Maybe that's why within the BL the transfer fees are usually comparatively sane (Gomez with 30mio€ is still the very top, followed by Ribéry and Amoroso, both for 25mio€ and Robben with 24mio€).

Especially Bayern's management is so excellent that they made a profit for 18 consecutive years, even when they are the biggest spenders. Dortmund almost went bankrupt, but in the last 5 years they completely recovered due to a strict austerity politics plus consequent youth development.

I think the other leagues might consider to take a look at the financial management of the BL - but with all the sugar daddies around in the other leagues this will likely not be easy to implement.

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:57 pm

kiranr wrote: Sure, the direct effect might be to increase competitiveness of the "lesser" teams, but in the long run, there will be multiple secondary and tertiary effects that will be detrimental to the game.

Please name them

by che Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:02 pm

decrease in quality for one... ban excessive spending for clubs that can afford it and you have no rooney in man utd, no gomez in bayern, no villa in barcelona... of course there are examples of just spending money for the sake of spending like coentrao and henrique but still... why punish the rich who got rich through their own work?

by zizzle Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:04 pm

a salary cap would do

by kiranr Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:05 pm

I dont know much about these effects BC, but one effect could be lower revenue for the top clubs as they are not able to attract star players which in turn reduces the profits.

The whole point is, if a club is in debt or making losses, then they will self correct eventually or just die. Look at Monaco who played the CL final against Porto. Look at Leeds. Other clubs will take the place of the ones that die and the ones that self correct will emerge stronger.

You have to allow for these to happen naturally and i am sure that will only make the game stronger. Dortmund, as mentioned by Rwo, is the perfect example in this case. They emerged stronger and provided very entertaining football to the whole world. You might attribute this to the financial monitoring of the Bundesliga, but it was the most logical step to take for the club at the time and should have happened in any case..

I am sure, if given a free reign, most of these clubs running in losses will correct it or die as it is unsustainable. What takes the place of this will be better.

by zizzle Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:10 pm

The solution does not have to be strictly a financial one, for example, UEFA can force clubs to register a certain number of home grown players in their CL squads or even force clubs to actually play these guys for a certain number of minutes

by S32TABLANCA Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:20 pm

'Do you agree or disagree with this statement'?

Yes
No

How are we supposed to answer?

by drakefyre Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:22 pm

kiranr wrote:
I am sure, if given a free reign, most of these clubs running in losses will correct it or die as it is unsustainable.

How is that a good thing ?

On topic , I'd say say a soft wage cap .

by The Messiah Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:24 pm

My thoughts are Barcelona do not belong to that league, you can't compare them to Real-Madrid or City in terms of spending stupidly

by Highburied Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:25 pm

Saetablanca wrote:'Do you agree or disagree with this statement'?

Yes
No

How are we supposed to answer?

haha i was gonna vote then saw that.. :?:

by Adit Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:26 pm

Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

by kiranr Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:27 pm

drakefyre wrote:
kiranr wrote:
I am sure, if given a free reign, most of these clubs running in losses will correct it or die as it is unsustainable.

How is that a good thing ?

On topic , I'd say say a soft wage cap .

I am just saying that you dont need such restrictions to encourage them to do the right thing. It'll happen on its own.

by izzy Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Idrisozet wrote:My thoughts are Barcelona do not belong to that league, you can't compare them to Real-Madrid or City in terms of spending stupidly

Adit wrote:Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

by zizzle Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:30 pm

Adit wrote:Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

and they have zero home grown players as well

by aleumdance Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:33 pm

arsenal has a wage cap, does not change $hit, #justsaying

by BarrileteCosmico Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Saetablanca wrote:'Do you agree or disagree with this statement'?

Yes
No

How are we supposed to answer?

Yes = agree
No = disagree

Could've worded that better Razz

by Adit Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:34 pm

zizzle wrote:
Adit wrote:Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

and they have zero home grown players as well

Does that makes them any better when talking about spending?

by zizzle Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:46 pm

Adit wrote:
zizzle wrote:
Adit wrote:Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

and they have zero home grown players as well

Does that makes them any better when talking about spending?

well if the goal of controlled spending is to promote youth developement and create a fair level ground for everyone Barca would still dominate coz the cream of their squad is homegrown. If UEFA bans transfers all together the gap between Barcelona and all the other teams would be even bigger. The only reason Barca look like big spenders is beacause they keep on buying the wrong players for the same exact positions

by Adit Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:57 pm

zizzle wrote:
Adit wrote:
zizzle wrote:
Adit wrote:Barcelona are the third most spenders after City and real madrid

and they have zero home grown players as well

Does that makes them any better when talking about spending?

well if the goal of controlled spending is to promote youth developement and create a fair level ground for everyone Barca would still dominate coz the cream of their squad is homegrown. If UEFA bans transfers all together the gap between Barcelona and all the other teams would be even bigger. The only reason Barca look like big spenders is beacause they keep on buying the wrong players for the same exact positions

person A-Barca did some stupid spending

person B-But they have home grown players in squad so it doesnt matter

what logic is that?

stupid spending and having home grown players are different. You can make a combination of both at different types.

by zizzle Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:12 pm

you guys celebrate when your home grown players score against Barca and they dont even play for your team. Obviously you know what your team is messing Wink

by drakefyre Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:12 pm

kiranr wrote:
drakefyre wrote:
kiranr wrote:
I am sure, if given a free reign, most of these clubs running in losses will correct it or die as it is unsustainable.

How is that a good thing ?

On topic , I'd say say a soft wage cap .

I am just saying that you dont need such restrictions to encourage them to do the right thing. It'll happen on its own.

Sometimes .

As much as FFP and things is aimed at making things competitive , it keeps clubs from going bankrupt . You make it sound like clubs which are mismanaged deserve that fate , which I cant agree with . I wouldn't wish that for any club .

by Sushi Master Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:56 pm

The problem is not a wage cap, but money hungry footballers taking the first ship out, even if they're relegated to bench duty or obscurity.

The rich clubs will still come out on top, anyways, since they are the ones who have the first say on if a player goes or not. On transfer fee alone, the big clubs will still massively outbid the smaller ones. Players will still go to top clubs even if a smaller one offers similar wages, just because of the prestige factor, CL football, whatever.

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