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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:33 am

Billionmillion.
You call me a fanboy (and gay- stop that, it's childish and ignorant)... Have you taken a look at your posts about Messi?
They are totally devoid of logic and frankly, they're quite shameful...

While anybody arguing Ronaldo's case is complimeting his positive atributes, those (yourself specifically) arguing Messi's case are undermining Ronaldo's and are talking about him like he's a bad player.
That kind of discussion will never go anywhere.
But that's why I never argue with an idiot...



Thus ends my contribution to a thread which has been going nowhere since page 1.

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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:40 am

teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.

Like that means shit.

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Post by BestInTheWorld Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:19 am

teamanarchy wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.
By complete, he basically meant that Ronaldo is two-footed and can head the ball

Gomez is too footed too & can head the ball. Frankly this complete player is a pile of BullS***. Out of the 1st 19 of Gomez's goals 7 came through Right Leg,6 through left Leg & 6 through headers.

Pure Goal-Scoring does not make one a better player. Gomez scores loads of goals,that does not make him a TOP 10 player. Besides how many did Ronaldo score in CHL compared to Messi??? Messi has 13,Gomez had 8 from 8. Ronaldo could not even score 8 in 12 games.

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Post by billionmillion Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:16 am

teamanarchy wrote:Billionmillion.
You call me a fanboy (and gay- stop that, it's childish and ignorant)... Have you taken a look at your posts about Messi?
They are totally devoid of logic and frankly, they're quite shameful...

While anybody arguing Ronaldo's case is complimeting his positive atributes, those (yourself specifically) arguing Messi's case are undermining Ronaldo's and are talking about him like he's a bad player.
That kind of discussion will never go anywhere.
But that's why I never argue with an idiot...



Thus ends my contribution to a thread which has been going nowhere since page 1.
i'm a messi fanboy, but you dont have balls to admit you are biggest cr fanboy here. so much hypocrisy makes me angry.

me undermining ronaldo? it was you who compared CR's M.U perfomances to messi's NT perfomances to make messi look bad.

Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.

now you say you are not a CR fanboy teamhypocrisy?
and stop behaving like an angel after making BS comments
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Post by Lord Awesome Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:26 am

I'm not a fanboy. Laughing
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Post by Onyx Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:44 am

Messi is more complete because he is a playmaker and a goalscorer.

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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:51 am

Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.
By complete, he basically meant that Ronaldo is two-footed and can head the ball
Ronaldo two-footed? LOL I'd trust more in Messi's ability to use both feet.
Not sure if trolling
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:57 am

billionmillion wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Billionmillion.
You call me a fanboy (and gay- stop that, it's childish and ignorant)... Have you taken a look at your posts about Messi?
They are totally devoid of logic and frankly, they're quite shameful...

While anybody arguing Ronaldo's case is complimeting his positive atributes, those (yourself specifically) arguing Messi's case are undermining Ronaldo's and are talking about him like he's a bad player.
That kind of discussion will never go anywhere.
But that's why I never argue with an idiot...



Thus ends my contribution to a thread which has been going nowhere since page 1.
i'm a messi fanboy, but you dont have balls to admit you are biggest cr fanboy here. so much hypocrisy makes me angry.

me undermining ronaldo? it was you who compared CR's M.U perfomances to messi's NT perfomances to make messi look bad.


Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.

now you say you are not a CR fanboy teamhypocrisy?
and stop behaving like an angel after making BS comments
Dude, don't even argue about fanboyism, I don't agree with TA on alot of points, but you are the most biased and mindless poster out there.

We get it, messi is a monster, he has 5 balls, 2 penuses, and ronaldo is the worlds worst player to ever step foot on the planet. Happy?
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Post by white_star Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:52 am

Ok if cr7 should get the ballon d'or then I should be president of the USA!!

Ya my comment was ridicoulous because I wasn't even born in the US. Messi led his team to cl glory and la liga vs Ronaldo scoring loads of goals after the season was decided. Im sorry but it's messi, Xavi then cr7!!! This has nothing to do with me liking disliking Madrid or barca, so I don't want to hear anything about that!
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:34 pm

No way Xavi as a player is above ronaldo. Iniesta, sure, why not, I think CR7 vs iniesta is very close. Xavi is way more one dimensional then either of them, take away his passing and reactions, and you don't get a very good player.
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Post by billionmillion Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:08 pm

Giggity start talking about biasedness after changing your avatar
Giggity5313 wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Billionmillion.
You call me a fanboy (and gay- stop that, it's childish and ignorant)... Have you taken a look at your posts about Messi?
They are totally devoid of logic and frankly, they're quite shameful...

While anybody arguing Ronaldo's case is complimeting his positive atributes, those (yourself specifically) arguing Messi's case are undermining Ronaldo's and are talking about him like he's a bad player.
That kind of discussion will never go anywhere.
But that's why I never argue with an idiot...



Thus ends my contribution to a thread which has been going nowhere since page 1.
i'm a messi fanboy, but you dont have balls to admit you are biggest cr fanboy here. so much hypocrisy makes me angry.

me undermining ronaldo? it was you who compared CR's M.U perfomances to messi's NT perfomances to make messi look bad.


Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.

now you say you are not a CR fanboy teamhypocrisy?
and stop behaving like an angel after making BS comments
Dude, don't even argue about fanboyism, I don't agree with TA on alot of points, but you are the most biased and mindless poster out there.

We get it, messi is a monster, he has 5 balls, 2 penuses, and ronaldo is the worlds worst player to ever step foot on the planet. Happy?
argue your points instead of BS comments. where i was biased (i think no where in this thread) you show me it . if you can not then gtfo with your beloved CR
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Post by white_star Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:11 pm

His passing and reaction is out of this world I'm sorry but I can see pass the stepovers and tap ins, the clasicos and big games tell me everything I need to know about cr7!
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:21 pm

white_star wrote:His passing and reaction is out of this world I'm sorry but I can see pass the stepovers and tap ins, the clasicos and big games tell me everything I need to know about cr7!
the tap ins? Have you ever played football? Tap ins aren't as easy as you think. Why do players as good as benzema not score tap ins? If tap ins are so bad then I guess Gomez is worse then cuenca, RVP is overrated, etc.
You need very good reactions and a good touch to score a "tap in".
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:23 pm

billionmillion wrote:Giggity start talking about biasedness after changing your avatar
Giggity5313 wrote:
billionmillion wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Billionmillion.
You call me a fanboy (and gay- stop that, it's childish and ignorant)... Have you taken a look at your posts about Messi?
They are totally devoid of logic and frankly, they're quite shameful...

While anybody arguing Ronaldo's case is complimeting his positive atributes, those (yourself specifically) arguing Messi's case are undermining Ronaldo's and are talking about him like he's a bad player.
That kind of discussion will never go anywhere.
But that's why I never argue with an idiot...



Thus ends my contribution to a thread which has been going nowhere since page 1.
i'm a messi fanboy, but you dont have balls to admit you are biggest cr fanboy here. so much hypocrisy makes me angry.

me undermining ronaldo? it was you who compared CR's M.U perfomances to messi's NT perfomances to make messi look bad.


Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.

now you say you are not a CR fanboy teamhypocrisy?
and stop behaving like an angel after making BS comments
Dude, don't even argue about fanboyism, I don't agree with TA on alot of points, but you are the most biased and mindless poster out there.

We get it, messi is a monster, he has 5 balls, 2 penuses, and ronaldo is the worlds worst player to ever step foot on the planet. Happy?
argue your points instead of BS comments. where i was biased (i think no where in this thread) you show me it . if you can not then gtfo with your beloved CR

You even admitted to fanboyism, and alot of madrid fans will know how badly I was killing CR about the clasico. Messi scores loads of tap ins like ronaldo, yet when messi scores them we don't call them tap ins.

As to whos the better player? Messi, and it is an insult to compare him to ronaldo.

Ronaldo is someone I like as a player and a person, problem?
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:24 pm

I wouldnt swap Xavi for Cristiano, despite Xavi´s age.

He is a team player, he makes everyone around him better. Cristiano makes nobody better other than himself.

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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:27 pm

The Franchise wrote:I wouldnt swap Xavi for Cristiano, despite Xavi´s age.

He is a team player, he makes everyone around him better. Cristiano makes nobody better other than himself.


Those 2 are the hardest to compare as well, they play completely different positions. Xavi is a CM, we have xabi alonso, who is not too far behind.

The system guardiola plays caters to xavi's strengths. There aren't many players like xavi either, and the potential value they have to the team. Pep saw that. Iniesta would perform in many other systems much easier and same to ronaldo, bar the mental block
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:34 pm

He is very far behind, but lets leave that alone.

Barca system caters to Xavi?

Look at the style Madrid play, its just as cetered to Cristiano. Mute point.

The perform in another system stuff is just talk, no proof, just assumption. Any coach who had Xavi would play a possession style, because he is that good.

Cristiano playing for Man Utd and sucking for Portugal doesnt make him better than Xavi, just because its "different system"

Its all a load of crap, Xavi would dominate his position for any team in the world.

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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:35 pm

well we'll have to agree to disagree, just can't agree to the above really
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Post by billionmillion Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36 pm

Giggity5313 wrote:

You even admitted to fanboyism, and alot of madrid fans will know how badly I was killing CR about the clasico. Messi scores loads of tap ins like ronaldo, yet when messi scores them we don't call them tap ins.

As to whos the better player? Messi, and it is an insult to compare him to ronaldo.

Ronaldo is someone I like as a player and a person, problem?
if you love ronaldo then argue points show me where i was wrong instead of attacking me
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:38 pm

So, to clarify then.

Xavi for teams like Juve, Milan, Madrid, City, Chelsea etc who all have over 55% of the ball, sometimes 60%..Xavi wouldnt dominate his position in those teams?
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Post by Lord Hades Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:17 pm

the madrid game isnt centred around ronaldo, not this season..
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:23 pm

Counter attacking football with quick transition looking to exploit spaces in behind and in the final 1/3.

How is that style not suited to Cristiano´s skillset? It certaintly isnt put in place for Ozil or even Benzema.
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Post by Lord Hades Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:26 pm

it suits cristiano but then it suits a majority of our players who all are fast pacy and suited to the counter.. if anything alonso with his passing ability is more important to the system... ronaldo exploits the system the best but our system has worked even in matches hes been rested in and specially this season our offensive players bar ozil have performed better .. ronaldo is the best attacker but our game isnt centred around him
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Post by The Franchise Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:29 pm

I didnt say who was the most important, I said the system is catered for him, which it is.

Just because it works without him doesnt make that wrong, just like we can win without Xavi.

Your style of play gets the best out of his strengths...the exact same as Xavi and our system. All I ever said.
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:32 pm

Oh my goodness I thought we are past this "Xavi is nothing without Pep's system" crock of shit.

Cristiano has a whole system pretty much catered to his hissy fit preference which was essentially tailor-made by Mou when he wasn't performing early in the season last year.

Xavi performs simply because he is capable of it and as much as people feel Espana's system is the same, (contrary to the fact the enormous differences in VDBs system) he does it there to.

He would dominate possession even in Stoke!

As for my opinion on the player, Xavi is overall a more effective and superior player to Ronaldo and COMFORTABLY at that.
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Haters gonna hate.
"I dont think alot about the future, I prefer to enjoy the moment" CR7
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