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Post by huntsman Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:58 am

Petit also thinks that Ronaldo has more room to improve than the midget magician.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2011/12/27/2820145/xavi-and-lionel-messi-are-immense-but-real-madrids-cristiano
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Post by Khaled Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:06 am

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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:19 am

Maybe when he wins something of note...but as of now...NO

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Post by Lex Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:20 am

I love the way they put "ex-Barcelona" star in the title for dramatic effect, when everyone really knows Petit as a gooner
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Post by Omniscient Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:24 am

I wonder what alternate reality Petit watches football in, it sounds interesting.

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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:37 am

Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
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Post by McLewis Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:43 am

Point 4 is rather moot.

EPL proven does not a Balon D'or candidate make.....
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Post by Giggslegend Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:47 am

McLewis wrote:Point 4 is rather moot.

EPL proven does not a Balon D'or candidate make.....

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Post by Senor Penguin Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:58 am

teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.

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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:02 am

But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:05 am

Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.
By complete, he basically meant that Ronaldo is two-footed and can head the ball
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Post by Senor Penguin Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:07 am

teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.

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Post by Senor Penguin Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:09 am

teamanarchy wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.
By complete, he basically meant that Ronaldo is two-footed and can head the ball
Ronaldo two-footed? LOL I'd trust more in Messi's ability to use both feet.

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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:11 am

I'll leave that one alone.
Sometimes you gotta let a few fish go...
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Post by ijomer Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:17 am

teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39

I respect you :bow:

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Post by ijomer Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:18 am

Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:Did any of you, who are criticizing him, read what he had to say?

Basically, he said:
1. Messi is amazing, but he does play for what is basically an unstoppable team.
2. Ronaldo is more complete and better in the air.
3. Ronaldo plays for RM, where it is more complicated to play, and thus more difficult to perform.
4. He's also proved himself in England.
5. In 2011, the calendar year Ronaldo's stats are amazing (more goals scored than Messi).

And he has a point there.
Ronaldo is not more complete than Messi. All-around he may have more physical attributes compared to Messi but he's a mentally weak player compared to Messi, who has a much better footballing brain too. And what Messi lacks in the all-around physical department, he compensates for by being unique when it comes to agility, balance, acceleration and close-control.

Callejon is a much better bet for Ballon D'or anyway.
By complete, he basically meant that Ronaldo is two-footed and can head the ball
Ronaldo two-footed? LOL I'd trust more in Messi's ability to use both feet.

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Post by The Messiah Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:18 am

What next.? Marcelo for president...?
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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:20 am

Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.
Alright, let's look past the point that Messi has never proven himself at another club, in a different league, with a different language, etc.
and let's make this "fair":
Ronaldo (Portugal):
apps 60, goals 21. Ratio: 0.35

Ronaldo being 3 years older makes no difference really. Both have been part of their national teams for a similair period of time.
ANd BTW, this whole thing was simply to illustrate the point of Ronaldo having proved himself in more than 1 jersey. A point which is, to many people, simply a given fact.
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Post by ijomer Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:21 am

THIS^^
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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:22 am

confused
where does this come in?
Idrisozet wrote:What next.? Marcelo for president...?
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Post by The Messiah Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:24 am

teamanarchy wrote: confused
where does this come in?
Idrisozet wrote:What next.? Marcelo for president...?

Figure out the homour
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Post by teamanarchy Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:26 am

Trying my best...
Stick to your day job, comedian.
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Post by Senor Penguin Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:29 am

teamanarchy wrote:
Senor Penguin wrote:
teamanarchy wrote:But, when comparing him to Messi, it is quite relevant, because when not wearing a Barcelona shirt, he's been pretty average.
Messi stats (not for Barca):
2006-2011:
48 apps, 9 goals. Ratio: 0.18
Ronaldo stats (not for Madrid):
2003-2011:
351 apps, 139 goals. Ratio:0.39
"Not for Madrid" meaning for Portugal and United? Compared to Messi's statistics being for Argentina only basically. Suspect Not to mention that Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi.
Alright, let's look past the point that Messi has never proven himself at another club, in a different league, with a different language, etc.
and let's make this "fair":
Ronaldo (Portugal):
apps 60, goals 21. Ratio: 0.35

Ronaldo being 3 years older makes no difference really. Both have been part of their national teams for a similair period of time.
ANd BTW, this whole thing was simply to illustrate the point of Ronaldo having proved himself in more than 1 jersey. A point which is, to many people, simply a given fact.
"To many people a given fact"? Lol. It's a fact for everyone. For me included. I don't see how it makes Ronaldo more complete than Messi by any means. If he was good at adapting he would've had no trouble going into Clasico matches by now but he still struggles. Poor lad.

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