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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:07 pm

When the tournament's MVP was asked about his BdOr chances, he replied as follows:"Of course it would please me to receive it, but what is important for me is to be happy on the pitch. Messi deserves it the most, not only for his goals, but for everything."

can you get any more humble? :bow:
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:10 pm

Iniesta did not have the best of a season why would he get it based on his EC showing???

he is not being humble but rather truthful, biased and realistic
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Post by Onyx Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:11 pm

I don't think he meant he wanted it, maybe he wouldn't mind getting it, however Messi deserves it.

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Post by Real Kandahar Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:39 pm

ofcourse iniesta doesn't deserve it lol it would be embarrassing for him to say that he deserves it in an interview (ffs... even in Euro, he was well behind likes of Pirlo .. Ramos .. Alonso and so on)

he's not being humble, just avoiding embarrassment.
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Post by DuringTheWar Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:57 pm

You all know its for which player performs best over a calender year? usually this is just a technicality as it normally goes to the guy that won major trophies during the season, but seeing as messi won nothing major there is still about 4 months of football to go to challenge him
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Post by Real Kandahar Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:20 pm

Ronaldo (CL Semi FInalist, Euro Semi finalist... La Liga champion... 60 goals.. 3 Goals in Euro, best player for portugal this summer.. 2 goals in Semis against Bayern munich... winning goal against barca in title deciding el clasico)

Iniesta (Copa del rey winner, Good performance in Euro... Euro best player award.. )

Ozil (Euro Semi finalist... German best player in summer... La Liga champion... Top Assistor in La Liga 17 Assists... 24 Assists in Club matches...)

Messi ( 73 Goals. record breaking... la liga 2ndplace, CL semi finalist.. Copa del rey champ... )

Balotelli (Euro Finalist... Premiere League champ)

Torres (Euro Winner, Euro Golden boot winner... UCL winner... scored decisive goal against barca in Semis.. )

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Post by buddytaller Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:24 pm

Not another Ballon D'Or thread, Ronaldo already has it signed sealed and delivered.
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Post by urbaNRoots Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:40 pm

Not even Ronaldo deserved it before Messi this season, let alone Iniesta. Would like if Iniesta got it though Heart
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Post by Harmonica Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:44 pm

Well doh. Cronaldo lost it in Euros, Iniesta will probably get to third.
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Post by billionmillion Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:54 pm

c.ronaldo has no chance there are still 5 months and as soon as messi starts to play again everybody will jump in his bandwagon. so forget about ballon dor
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Post by Harmonica Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:59 pm

Diego Armando Maradona wrote:You all know its for which player performs best over a calender year? usually this is just a technicality as it normally goes to the guy that won major trophies during the season, but seeing as messi won nothing major there is still about 4 months of football to go to challenge him
Funny notion on that, Messi has 51+20@37 for club+nt in 2012, and is on course to score 100 goals in calendar year for club+nt. affraid
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Post by windkick Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:02 pm

Ronaldo wasn't even the best player on his team. Ozil at this point deserves it more based on his performance with Germany and Real Madrid. If you want to go off trophys won then Mata deserves it more

Lets be realistic, Messi was not only the best goal scorer but the most needed player for his team. Take Ronaldo out of Real Madrid and they still win the league
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Post by buddytaller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:03 pm

Ronaldo will win the Ballon D'Or quite easily, it makes no difference to the voters who count (ie Coaches and referees) whether the award is for the calender year or the just ended season.

Ronaldo has done a lot to deserve it this year, he's excelled in every competition he's played in this season, it will be further confirmed as the season progresses with Madrid probably leading the league with 10 points at the time the votes are cast.
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Post by Harmonica Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:06 pm

buddytaller wrote:Ronaldo will win the Ballon D'Or quite easily, it makes no difference to the voters who count (ie Coaches and referees) whether the award is for the calender year or the just ended season.

Ronaldo has done a lot to deserve it this year, he's excelled in every competition he's played in this season, it will be further confirmed as the season progresses with Madrid probably leading the league with 10 points at the time the votes are cast.
Too bad Messi was not only better than him, but also the best in every competition he played. Very Happy
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Post by harhar11 Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:19 pm

Real Kandahar wrote:ofcourse iniesta doesn't deserve it lol it would be embarrassing for him to say that he deserves it in an interview (ffs... even in Euro, he was well behind likes of Pirlo .. Ramos .. Alonso and so on)

he's not being humble, just avoiding embarrassment.

:facepalm:

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Post by buddytaller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:20 pm

Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.
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Post by Real Kandahar Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:20 pm

billionmillion wrote:c.ronaldo has no chance there are still 5 months and as soon as messi starts to play again everybody will jump in his bandwagon. so forget about ballon dor

LOL see u when Tito loses his first confrontation with the special one Smile the Spanish Super Cup, from then on, everything will go downhill.. because titles decide balond'or and sadly, Tito cant do that against mou...
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Post by Real Kandahar Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:21 pm

buddytaller wrote:Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.

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Post by Harmonica Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:24 pm

buddytaller wrote:Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.
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Messi & Cronaldo La Liga 2011-2012

Goals:

Messi 50 (10 penalty)
Cronaldo 46 (12 penalty)

Accuracy:

Messi 5.5 shots/ goal
Cronaldo 6.9 shots/ goal

Individuality of goals:

Messi, 22/50 or 44% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)
Cronaldo, 35/46 or 80% were directly assisted (no involvement in buildup play)

Assists:

Messi 20
Cronaldo 12

Creativity:

Messi 56 throughballs, 92 key passes (resulting in a shot)
Cronaldo 19 throughballs, 60 key passes (resulting in a shot)

Build up play:

Messi 176 dribbless
Cronaldo 73 dribbless

Lost posession:

Messi 96 dispossessed + 61 turnovers = 157 times
Cronaldo 79 dispossessed + 86 turnovers = 165 times

MoM (whoscored.com)

Messi 24
Cronaldo 15

Importance of stats:

Here is La Liga 11-12 without Messi's and Cronaldo's goals, and assists:

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http://king-football.com/bb/?p=431

Messi got points for the team in 15 games, 35 overall.
Cronaldo got points for the team in 11 games, 25 overall.

I think that is self explanatory, Messi was best pretty much in everything. Same pretty much applies to CL.

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Post by harhar11 Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:26 pm

buddytaller wrote:Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.

yeah, it was Messis fault that Villa, Pedro, Sanchez, Xavi,Puyol and Iniesta missed alot of games last season because injury. It was Messi's fault that when HE put goals on a plate for his teammates just for them to miss in crucial games(like for Xavi against Real Madrid or Villa against Valencia).

Football is a 11 men game. There is only so much that a single player can do for his team single handedly. And if it wasnt for Messi, we wouldnt even be on Europa league IIRC..

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Post by buddytaller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:28 pm

Just as expected the silly table comes along, are you saying Xavi, Iniesta and co are so terrible that Messi with all those goals ( remember a lot of these goals were scored after Barcelona were out of contention for the league, and Messi wanted to pad up his stats) couldn't win the league, or was it due to the fact that Ronaldo and Real Madrid were just superior over the course of the season.
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Post by buddytaller Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:29 pm

harhar11 wrote:
buddytaller wrote:Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.

yeah, it was Messis fault that Villa, Pedro, Sanchez, Xavi,Puyol and Iniesta missed alot of games last season because injury. It was Messi's fault that when HE put goals on a plate for his teammates just for them to miss in crucial games(like for Xavi against Real Madrid or Villa against Valencia).

Football is a 11 men game. There is only so much that a single player can do for his team single handedly. And if it wasnt for Messi, we wouldnt even be on Europa league IIRC..

Messi missed just as many chances as his teammates dude, give credit where it's due last season Ronaldo and Madrid were superior to Barcelona and Messi.
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Post by harhar11 Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:30 pm

buddytaller wrote:Just as expected the silly table comes along, are you saying Xavi, Iniesta and co are so terrible that Messi with all those goals ( remember a lot of these goals were scored after Barcelona were out of contention for the league, and Messi wanted to pad up his stats) couldn't win the league, or was it due to the fact that Ronaldo and Real Madrid were just superior over the course of the season.

Its a well known fact that last season was Xavi's worst season in a long time, no matter how many goals he scored. As for Iniesta, he was far to inconsistent or injured..

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Post by Harmonica Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:31 pm

buddytaller wrote:Just as expected the silly table comes along, are you saying Xavi, Iniesta and co are so terrible that Messi with all those goals ( remember a lot of these goals were scored after Barcelona were out of contention for the league, and Messi wanted to pad up his stats) couldn't win the league, or was it due to the fact that Ronaldo and Real Madrid were just superior over the course of the season.
Because refs forgot to give penalties for Barca during the season, and then noticed this after RMA had pretty much won the league. Very Happy

The stats are pretty self explanatory, Messi was clearly better as individual. RMA won it because they played better as a team.


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Post by harhar11 Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:32 pm

buddytaller wrote:
harhar11 wrote:
buddytaller wrote:Messi was so good that even with the GOAT Barcelona team, he only managed to trail Real Madrid by 9 points.

He was so good that in 120 minutes against Chelsea, he lost the ball that led to Chelsea's first goal in the first leg, missed a penalty that would have killed of Chelsea, and scored a massive 0 goals in the two legs.

yeah, it was Messis fault that Villa, Pedro, Sanchez, Xavi,Puyol and Iniesta missed alot of games last season because injury. It was Messi's fault that when HE put goals on a plate for his teammates just for them to miss in crucial games(like for Xavi against Real Madrid or Villa against Valencia).

Football is a 11 men game. There is only so much that a single player can do for his team single handedly. And if it wasnt for Messi, we wouldnt even be on Europa league IIRC..

Messi missed just as many chances as his teammates dude, give credit where it's due last season Ronaldo and Madrid were superior to Barcelona and Messi.

Against Chelsea in the 2nd leg Messi did miss alot of chances, but he did create a goal. But against Real Madrid? No way.. And apart from Sevilla and Chelsea, Messi didnt miss that many decisive misses that made us lose points..

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