Give your favorite Milan line up for next year

sciacca wrote:
Last I checked, and if your able to read properly, he said stop over reacting, not being sensitive. The one to talk again, able complain to mods. This a debate, deal with it...

No...

As for you, Sciacca.....I've read about 7 pages of you snapping at everything with even a remote twinge of negativity towards you are Juve.

You need to learn to shrug that stuff off man. Your hyper-sensitivity is ruining potentially good conversations.

This is from that thread. I didn't say it.

You deal with it. You need to debate properly. Please.

Forza Rossoneri wrote:Let's not look back at the past and have an argument about why Juve players won every Italian world cup instead of Milan players or vice versa.

What is relevant is the quality of the 3 players originally mentioned: Aquilani, Pepe and Marchisio.

Personally, I believe the following:

Pepe: Runs hard, is tough and can make some good crosses, but lacks passing precision, flair and vision.

Aquilani: Opposite to Pepe; not much running, made of glass, stays in the narrow areas mainly, however, he passes well and has a degree of flair and good foresight.

Marchisio: By no means a mediocre player. He's got a great skill set and good positional awareness, but has the knack of underperforming when you expect him to take a step up. Nevertheless, he is a consistent player who you can depend on to carry out their role with no fuss. Needs to develop a bit more to be able to make a "game-changing" impact.

I'm answering this issue as fairly as possible, with no intention of inciting argument, only discussion.

Completely agree

PerSempreJuve wrote:
What you Milan fans have to realize was I, or Sciacca for that matter, were not trolling. Just because we don't bow down to Milan doesn't mean we are being trolls. I am simply saying it is a shame that Italy has fallen mostly due to your clubs. You guys give me two potential call-ups, one of whom was bought this January transfer season. Inter give us three; one who just got an Italian citizenship, and the other two who were bought either fully, or in-part, respectively, and that is a shame, despite the fact they are Juventus' rivals.

Ok... perhaps you were not trolling... but you were guilty of taking the thread off topic. Don't even try to say it was on topic. This thread is specifically for starting formations for next season. It has nothing to do with nationality or the Italian national team. I'd like to get Astori, so we could make it three... but... I'm fine with the team how it is. I'm fine with non-Italians too. I love Kwadwo Asamoah. Awesome player.

Look at the 2002 World Cup where Italy had arguably their best squad...there was no domestic dominance, but rather, there was equality and each team contributed somebody. That was the result of banning and regulating foreigners, something which hasn't been used today.

#feelit

The 2006 World cup was pretty even... plenty of Roma, plenty of Milan, some of Inter, plenty of Juve... but it's not really my concern.

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:
Last I checked, and if your able to read properly, he said stop over reacting, not being sensitive. The one to talk again, able complain to mods. This a debate, deal with it...

No...

As for you, Sciacca.....I've read about 7 pages of you snapping at everything with even a remote twinge of negativity towards you are Juve.

You need to learn to shrug that stuff off man. Your hyper-sensitivity is ruining potentially good conversations.

This is from that thread. I didn't say it.

You deal with it. You need to debate properly. Please.

Yes, the one who didn't reply to any points I said and instead insulted Juve and went with Abate and etc... sure.

Ganso wrote:@ persempre,pato?silva?ibra?robinho?van bommel?....(the rest of the players are Italian)

Taiwo (presumably your LB), Boateng ?

sciacca wrote:

Yes, the one who didn't reply to any points I said and instead insulted Juve and went with Abate and etc... sure.

This is a Milan forum. I'm a Milan fan. Stop trying to boss me around... you're not moderator here, and you don't tell me what to do.

PerSempreJuve wrote:

Ganso wrote:@ persempre,pato?silva?ibra?robinho?van bommel?....(the rest of the players are Italian)

Taiwo (presumably your LB), Boateng ?

Taiwo > Antonini

Boateng > Ambrosini

Van Bommel

Should we play Antonini just for the sake that he's Italian? No. His form is awful. I heard Juve was once linked to Antonini. Do you still want him? He's Italian.

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:
What you Milan fans have to realize was I, or Sciacca for that matter, were not trolling. Just because we don't bow down to Milan doesn't mean we are being trolls. I am simply saying it is a shame that Italy has fallen mostly due to your clubs. You guys give me two potential call-ups, one of whom was bought this January transfer season. Inter give us three; one who just got an Italian citizenship, and the other two who were bought either fully, or in-part, respectively, and that is a shame, despite the fact they are Juventus' rivals.

Ok... perhaps you were not trolling... but you were guilty of taking the thread off topic. Don't even try to say it was on topic. This thread is specifically for starting formations for next season. It has nothing to do with nationality or the Italian national team. I'd like to get Astori, so we could make it three... but... I'm fine with the team how it is. I'm fine with non-Italians too. I love Kwadwo Asamoah. Awesome player.

Look at the 2002 World Cup where Italy had arguably their best squad...there was no domestic dominance, but rather, there was equality and each team contributed somebody. That was the result of banning and regulating foreigners, something which hasn't been used today.

#feelit

The 2006 World cup was pretty even... plenty of Roma, plenty of Milan, some of Inter, plenty of Juve... but it's not really my concern.

I said Milan didn't have Italians and you, Giancarlo, said Italy was crap and had to rely on mediocracy so if anybody brought up off-topic content, it was you...not to mention ones of spiteful nature.

Your 2006 comment is ridiculous.

Roma = Perrota, Totti, De Rossi. Don't forget De Rossi's red in the USA game meant he missed games due to being banned.

Inter = Materazzi

Milan = Pirlo, Gattuso. Don't claim Inzaghi because we all know where his roots came from.

Juventus = Buffon, Cannavaro, Grosso, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Zambrotta.

Equal ? Probably not.

And yes, I know some of those Italian players weren't ours officially, making the point of how we continue to buy Italian and help the team out after success and during success.

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:

Yes, the one who didn't reply to any points I said and instead insulted Juve and went with Abate and etc... sure.

This is a Milan forum. I'm a Milan fan. Stop trying to boss me around... you're not moderator here, and you don't tell me what to do.

Good to know, I didnt tell u what to do, Im claiming what u did and how your contradicting yourself, but good to see how sensitive you got ... for a small thing. Look the point is, u made that off topic, what makes u any better than him now?

PerSempreJuve wrote:And yes, I know some of those Italian players weren't ours officially, making the point of how we continue to buy Italian and help the team out after success and during success.

This thread isn't about Juve. But... you're continuing to buy Italian. Players you are linked to like... Bastos, Beck, Lichtsteiner (SP?), and Lass sound very Italian. These are players you are linked with. And Inler wasn't Italian either (but now he's going to Napoli).

Two Italians you did get was Andrea Pirlo and Pazienza. And Pazienza doesn't contribute to the Italian National Team.

Anyways this is seriously off topic.

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:And yes, I know some of those Italian players weren't ours officially, making the point of how we continue to buy Italian and help the team out after success and during success.

This thread isn't about Juve. But... you're continuing to buy Italian. Players you are linked to like... Bastos, Beck, Lichtsteiner (SP?), and Lass sound very Italian. These are players you are linked with. And Inler wasn't Italian either (but now he's going to Napoli).

Two Italians you did get was Andrea Pirlo and Pazienza. And Pazienza doesn't contribute to the Italian National Team.

Anyways this is seriously off topic.

Tobad another Milan player gone from the national team

sciacca wrote:
Tobad another Milan player gone from the national team

Pirlo no longer fit into our team. He didn't have the pace or fitness levels to play a full season and maintain consistency. Good luck with him.

I'm fine with getting more Italians, like Montolivo and Astori. But that's it.

PerSempreJuve wrote:
I said Milan didn't have Italians and you, Giancarlo, said Italy was crap and had to rely on mediocracy so if anybody brought up off-topic content, it was you...not to mention ones of spiteful nature.

Your 2006 comment is ridiculous.

Roma = Perrota, Totti, De Rossi. Don't forget De Rossi's red in the USA game meant he missed games due to being banned.

Inter = Materazzi

Milan = Pirlo, Gattuso. Don't claim Inzaghi because we all know where his roots came from.

Juventus = Buffon, Cannavaro, Grosso, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Zambrotta.

Equal ? Probably not.

You're a historical revisionist at its worse. Grosso did not play with Juve. He transferred to Inter shortly after the World cup, but was playing at Palermo if I recall. Inzaghi, Oddo (though he played for Lazio) and Nesta were also on the Italy squad.

Seriously stop this.

You are completely wrong.

And you are trolling.

You were the one who brought up the Azzurri and insulted Milan for not having enough Italian players. Sorry, but we don't settle for the low grade of Italians available out there. I'll take Astori but that's it. I'll take Ibra over any striker you have, and he is better than any Italian striker. I'll take Pato over Matri. And you better thank us for Matri... he'd be a bench warmer at Milan... one of our youth products.

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:
Tobad another Milan player gone from the national team

Pirlo no longer fit into our team. He didn't have the pace or fitness levels to play a full season and maintain consistency. Good luck with him.

I'm fine with getting more Italians, like Montolivo and Astori. But that's it.

I fully understand that. But money all got the best out of Pirlo as well, but what can we do, Ill enjoy him on the national team tho

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:
I said Milan didn't have Italians and you, Giancarlo, said Italy was crap and had to rely on mediocracy so if anybody brought up off-topic content, it was you...not to mention ones of spiteful nature.

Your 2006 comment is ridiculous.

Roma = Perrota, Totti, De Rossi. Don't forget De Rossi's red in the USA game meant he missed games due to being banned.

Inter = Materazzi

Milan = Pirlo, Gattuso. Don't claim Inzaghi because we all know where his roots came from.

Juventus = Buffon, Cannavaro, Grosso, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Zambrotta.

Equal ? Probably not.

You're a historical revisionist at its worse. Grosso did not play with Juve. He transferred to Inter shortly after the World cup, but was playing at Palermo if I recall. Inzaghi, Oddo (though he played for Lazio) and Nesta were also on the Italy squad.

Seriously stop this.

You are completely wrong.

And you are trolling.

Well clearly you are being irrational if you could not read the point addressing Grosso and Inzaghi, and geez I almost forgot the Ballon d'Or Winner Oddo. Man what a player ! So many goals, assists, minutes...no wait.

PerSempreJuve wrote:

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:
I said Milan didn't have Italians and you, Giancarlo, said Italy was crap and had to rely on mediocracy so if anybody brought up off-topic content, it was you...not to mention ones of spiteful nature.

Your 2006 comment is ridiculous.

Roma = Perrota, Totti, De Rossi. Don't forget De Rossi's red in the USA game meant he missed games due to being banned.

Inter = Materazzi

Milan = Pirlo, Gattuso. Don't claim Inzaghi because we all know where his roots came from.

Juventus = Buffon, Cannavaro, Grosso, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Iaquinta, Zambrotta.

Equal ? Probably not.

You're a historical revisionist at its worse. Grosso did not play with Juve. He transferred to Inter shortly after the World cup, but was playing at Palermo if I recall. Inzaghi, Oddo (though he played for Lazio) and Nesta were also on the Italy squad.

Seriously stop this.

You are completely wrong.

And you are trolling.

Well clearly you are being irrational if you could not read the point addressing Grosso and Inzaghi, and geez I almost forgot the Ballon d'Or Winner Oddo. Man what a player ! So many goals, assists, minutes...no wait.

Uff, atleast that Ballon d'or winner has more assists in 5 apps than Abate the future self proclaimed Ballon dor winner who only had one assist on all

PerSempreJuve wrote:
Well clearly you are being irrational if you could not read the point addressing Grosso and Inzaghi, and geez I almost forgot the Ballon d'Or Winner Oddo. Man what a player ! So many goals, assists, minutes...no wait.

Oh so because Grosso is now your player he counted back then for Juventus? Say what? He played for Inter. And one other thing, we got Zambrotta now... but he's very old now. Taiwo is better than any Italian LB currently called up. Balzaretti... blah... meh...

I hope you enjoy Matri. One of our youth products. He wouldn't make the starting 11 at Milan.

sciacca wrote:
Uff, atleast that Ballon d'or winner has more assists in 5 apps than Abate the future self proclaimed Ballon dor winner in the future who only had one assist on all

Awww how nice. More ridiculous attacks on Abate... one of the best performing right backs in Italy this prior season. It's not all about assists. But then again... sure Maicon had more... but Maicon was a disaster defending. Abate is growing as a player, and his crossing did improve markedly during the season.

He's come a long way as a player.

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:
Well clearly you are being irrational if you could not read the point addressing Grosso and Inzaghi, and geez I almost forgot the Ballon d'Or Winner Oddo. Man what a player ! So many goals, assists, minutes...no wait.

Oh so because Grosso is now your player he counted back then for Juventus? Say what? He played for Inter. And one other thing, we got Zambrotta now... but he's very old now. Taiwo is better than any Italian LB currently called up. Balzaretti... blah... meh...

I hope you enjoy Matri. One of our youth products. He wouldn't make the starting 11 at Milan.

1. I said Juventus still advocate for World Cup winners like Toni, Pirlo, and Grosso. Please read.

2. Zambrotta, like most of your team's notable players (Rossi, Baggio, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Ibrahimovic, etc.) were stolen from rivals.

3. Balzaretti > Taiwo.

4. Of course Matri wouldn't make Milan...he's Italian, not Brazilian !!

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:
Uff, atleast that Ballon d'or winner has more assists in 5 apps than Abate the future self proclaimed Ballon dor winner in the future who only had one assist on all

Awww how nice. More ridiculous attacks on Abate... one of the best performing right backs in Italy this prior season. It's not all about assists. But then again... sure Maicon had more... but Maicon was a disaster defending. Abate is growing as a player, and his crossing did improve markedly during the season.

He's come a long way as a player.

Correct, one of the best. Not THE best. Thanks for pointing that out.

PerSempreJuve wrote:
1. I said Juventus still advocate for World Cup winners like Toni, Pirlo, and Grosso. Please read.

2. Zambrotta, like most of your team's notable players (Rossi, Baggio, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Ibrahimovic, etc.) were stolen from rivals.

3. Balzaretti > Taiwo.

4. Of course Matri wouldn't make Milan...he's Italian, not Brazilian !!

Luca Toni got his last call up in 2009... correct me if I'm wrong. Grosso is way past his best. Balzaretti is better... but he's meh.

Zambrotta is a utility player at Milan now... especially now that Taiwo was here. We didn't steal Inzaghi. We paid for him. Nice big fee too. Seedorf transferred too for a fee. Rossi? Ibrahimovic came from Barcelona, as did Zambrotta. They had nothing to do with Juve or Inter.

Matri is not quality enough.

sciacca wrote:

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:
Uff, atleast that Ballon d'or winner has more assists in 5 apps than Abate the future self proclaimed Ballon dor winner in the future who only had one assist on all

Awww how nice. More ridiculous attacks on Abate... one of the best performing right backs in Italy this prior season. It's not all about assists. But then again... sure Maicon had more... but Maicon was a disaster defending. Abate is growing as a player, and his crossing did improve markedly during the season.

He's come a long way as a player.

Correct, one of the best. Not THE best. Thanks for pointing that out.

After summing up all the pros and cons, I actually rank him as the best.

Giancarlo wrote:

PerSempreJuve wrote:
1. I said Juventus still advocate for World Cup winners like Toni, Pirlo, and Grosso. Please read.

2. Zambrotta, like most of your team's notable players (Rossi, Baggio, Inzaghi, Seedorf, Ibrahimovic, etc.) were stolen from rivals.

3. Balzaretti > Taiwo.

4. Of course Matri wouldn't make Milan...he's Italian, not Brazilian !!

Luca Toni got his last call up in 2009... correct me if I'm wrong. Grosso is way past his best. Balzaretti is better... but he's meh.

Zambrotta is a utility player at Milan now... especially now that Taiwo was here. We didn't steal Inzaghi. We paid for him. Nice big fee too. Seedorf transferred too for a fee. Rossi? Ibrahimovic came from Barcelona, as did Zambrotta. They had nothing to do with Juve or Inter.

Matri is not quality enough.

Does it matter when they got call-ups ? I said they were World Cup winners and now play for Juventus.

Learn your history. PAOLO ROSSI. Ibrahimovic and Zambrotta were at Juventus prior to Milan so I don't see how they had nothing to do with the clubs...

PerSempreJuve wrote:
Does it matter when they got call-ups ? I said they were World Cup winners and now play for Juventus.

Learn your history. PAOLO ROSSI. Ibrahimovic and Zambrotta were at Juventus prior to Milan so I don't see how they had nothing to do with the clubs...

So what? Grosso isn't great. He's way over the hill. I don't want former world cup winners for the sake of it. Shall we go try to sign Fabio Cannavaro now?

I thought you were referring to Giuseppe Rossi since you were talking about present day players. Not the past. You learn how to show some respect and be more specific.

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:

Giancarlo wrote:

sciacca wrote:
Uff, atleast that Ballon d'or winner has more assists in 5 apps than Abate the future self proclaimed Ballon dor winner in the future who only had one assist on all

Awww how nice. More ridiculous attacks on Abate... one of the best performing right backs in Italy this prior season. It's not all about assists. But then again... sure Maicon had more... but Maicon was a disaster defending. Abate is growing as a player, and his crossing did improve markedly during the season.

He's come a long way as a player.

Correct, one of the best. Not THE best. Thanks for pointing that out.

After summing up all the pros and cons, I actually rank him as the best.

Well ofcourse, some think he's the best in the world, who wouldn't agree? Its tobad the best player cant get a spot on the national team. Dosen't that seem odd to you?