Spain getting owned by Chile at Home

Omniscient wrote:Casillas
Arbeloa Ramos Pique Enrique
Iniesta Alonso Fabregas
Silva Torres Villa

Alonso will never work as DM against strong teams and i cant remember Alonso ever playing well without a DM alongside him certainly not when he was in Liverpool.Busquets is Spain's best DM and he should start every time imo.

- - - - - - Casillas
Ramos Pique Puyol Arbeloa
- - Xavi Busquets Iniesta
- - -Pedro Fabregas Villa

- - - - - Casillas
Ramos Pique Puyol Arbeloa
- Xavi Busquets Fabregas
- -Villa Llorente Iniesta

- - - - - -Casillas
Ramos Pique Puyol Arbeloa
- - - - Xavi Busquets
Silva - - Fabregas - - Iniesta
- - - - - - Villa

Devil-Is-Red wrote:2nd time in a row they cheated against Chile!

That was nothing but a dive to win that penalty.

It is stupid to dive like that in a friendly. Referees will see that, they will talk about it and when an important game is played they just might red card the diver.

wigglesworth wrote:

Devil-Is-Red wrote:2nd time in a row they cheated against Chile!

That was nothing but a dive to win that penalty.

It is stupid to dive like that in a friendly. Referees will see that, they will talk about it and when an important game is played they just might red card the diver.

Khaledbarca wrote:

El Pipita wrote:Either Spain use this line up for the next matches or they'll get owned like this again.

Casillas
Ramos - Pique - Busquets - Arbeloa
Xabi
Cesc - Iniesta
Silva - Villa - Pedro

Puyol is Back

He will most probably play vs Real Sociedad on Saturday,10 September!

So

J.Enrique

would be better imo

I Agree

I got neg repped because people think Only Italians dive and what Wiggles said is foolish

Maybe it's because you are wiggles's cheerleader.

Could be wrong though.

Zealous wrote:Maybe it's because you are wiggles's cheerleader.

Could be wrong though.

I'm his biggest fan

Wiggles !

Diving is pretty rare in Italy since they started banning divers for multiple games based on video evidence, after the fact. Didn't Krasic get a 4 game ban last year?

wigglesworth wrote:Diving is pretty rare in Italy since they started banning divers for multiple games based on video evidence, after the fact. Didn't Krasic get a 4 game ban last year?

Correct

Khaledbarca wrote:

IMO Spain should play with:

In Order:

~ GK
1 Casillas
2 Valdes
3 Reina

~ RB
1 Ramos
2 Iraola
3 Montoya

~ CB
1 Puyol Pique
2 Ramos Albiol
3 Botia Dominguez

~LB
1 Jose Enrique
2 Arbeloa
3 Monreal

~ DM
1 Busquets
2 Alonso
3 Javi Martinez

~ CM
1 Xavi
2 Thiago
3 Borja

~ AM
1 Iniesta
2 Cesc
3 Thiago

~ LW
1 David Villa
2 Pedro
3 Mata


~RW
1 Silva
2 Navas
3 Cazorla


~CF
1 Torres
2 Cesc (False 9)
3 Negredo (Soldado deserve a chance also)


=====================

Xavi - Sergio/Alonso - Iniesta
Silva - Torres/Cesc - Villa/Pedro

Note: IMO, Alonso & Busquets should not play together, ONLY when Spain are leading, Del Bosque wants to secure the result ..

Wow really man?

Putting Valdes above reina?

Putting Montoya there while Azpulicueta is missing?

Listing Xabi as a DM?

Putting the piece of garbage Negredo in the list while Llorente is nowhere to be seen.

Llorente simply should start over Torres since he spends most of his time crying on the field.



On Topic: Xabi and Xavi both can play together as I guess no one saw the world cup as Xabi served as a DLP behind a more advanced Xavi.

Doesn't get more deep then this.

The brawl at the end of this game was embarrassing. Arbeloa, Biscuits (what a surprise!) and Pedro were idiots.

Lol khaledbarca wants to drop xabi

.............................Casillas........................
.........Pique.............Ramos............Puyol....
..............Busquests/Fab.......Xabi.................
..............................Xavi/Fab.......................
.........Silva..................................Iniesta...
............................Fab................................
..........................................Villa/torres.....


If torres ever regains top form then he should be starting , otherwise leave him on the bench.

no valencia players = horrible spain team

also i wish a coach with actual balls would take over from del bosque... i mean i understand that playing ramos might be tax deductible or something for madrid since he's obviously mentally challenged and that should classify as charity but surely the spanish nt is a non-income organisation, they don't need to do it right?

Arquitecto wrote:

Khaledbarca wrote:

IMO Spain should play with:

In Order:

~ GK
1 Casillas
2 Valdes
3 Reina

~ RB
1 Ramos
2 Iraola
3 Montoya

~ CB
1 Puyol Pique
2 Ramos Albiol
3 Botia Dominguez

~LB
1 Jose Enrique
2 Arbeloa
3 Monreal

~ DM
1 Busquets
2 Alonso
3 Javi Martinez

~ CM
1 Xavi
2 Thiago
3 Borja

~ AM
1 Iniesta
2 Cesc
3 Thiago

~ LW
1 David Villa
2 Pedro
3 Mata


~RW
1 Silva
2 Navas
3 Cazorla


~CF
1 Torres
2 Cesc (False 9)
3 Negredo (Soldado deserve a chance also)


=====================

Xavi - Sergio/Alonso - Iniesta
Silva - Torres/Cesc - Villa/Pedro

Note: IMO, Alonso & Busquets should not play together, ONLY when Spain are leading, Del Bosque wants to secure the result ..

Wow really man?

Putting Valdes above reina?

Putting Montoya there while Azpulicueta is missing?

Listing Xabi as a DM?

Putting the piece of garbage Negredo in the list while Llorente is nowhere to be seen.

Llorente simply should start over Torres since he spends most of his time crying on the field.



On Topic: Xabi and Xavi both can play together as I guess no one saw the world cup as Xabi served as a DLP behind a more advanced Xavi.

Doesn't get more deep then this.

are u kidding ?!

1- OFFCOURSE Valdes > Reina.. there is no argument about it lol!!

2- Sry, but i don't think u watched Spain U-21.. Montoya was Class & proved how gd is he..
Your Azpulicueta was on the bench lol ! & now Montoya is already called for Spain Nt while Azpulicueta isn't!!

3- I forgot llorente, sure he is better than Negredo.. he can be 3rd choice!

4- Alonso, Sergio & Xavi can play together & Spain can 1-0 in a boring match lol!

5- If u want to watch an entertaining/attacking spain & win with Style..

Perfect Midfield is a combination of:
1 DM: Busquets ( or maybe Alonso)
2 CM: Xavi (Thiago if Xavi isn't available)
3 AM : Iniesta ( or Cesc/ Cesc can play as a false 9 also)
RW: Silva
LW: Villa/Pedro
CF: Torres/Cesc or eve Llorente!

But this midfield:

Xavi - Busq - Iniesta

is a MUST!!
Cesc can replace Xavi or Iniesta if they were not available but NOT Alonso!!

Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

Ramos is replacing Puyol.PERIOD.

Guys are over reacting to slight scare in a friendly.He had a good point the starting Alonos and Busquets leaves no room for Fab.Since Fab can do everything busquets does and more the logically busquets has to get benched .

ragbirjosh wrote:Ramos is replacing Puyol.PERIOD.

Guys are over reacting to slight scare in a friendly.He had a good point the starting Alonos and Busquets leaves no room for Fab.Since Fab can do everything busquets does and more the logically busquets has to get benched .

I see your and raise you :cyclops:

Very soon you will see exactly what I'm talking about , when Guardiola rests Busquests and let's Fabregas play in the "DM" role as if the DM role of Barca is that of a true Dm.

ragbirjosh wrote:Ramos is replacing Puyol.PERIOD.

Guys are over reacting to slight scare in a friendly.He had a good point the starting Alonos and Busquets leaves no room for Fab.Since Fab can do everything busquets does and more the logically busquets has to get benched .

OMG !!!

Yesterday, it was proved that Alonso is useless, he has NO place in the starting line-up..
Its was also proved in WC, whenever VDS replaces Alonso with another Forward/winger (Pedro, Navas/Torres etc..) OR with Cesc.. Spain played better!!

---------------

Alonso should Retire cuz he is USELESS!!

Deal with it Madrid/Alonso fanboys!!

ragbirjosh wrote:I see your and raise you :cyclops:

Very soon you will see exactly what I'm talking about , when Guardiola rests Busquests and let's Fabregas play in the "DM" role as if the DM role of Barca is that of a true Dm.

Nah not really Cesc does'nt have the skillset for a DM but Busquet's fits a Barca DM like a glove.....

Cesc is a Spanish Lampard his game revolves around the final pass and breaking forward and scoring goals....

If Cesc replaces anyone it would be Xavi but at that same time token he does'nt have the skillset for that either i think Xavi retires you will see a change in tactic's for Spain and Barca to compensate for the loss of Xavi as neither Cesc or Thiago can replace him like for like.....


Cesc cannot replace Busquet's because he does'nt have the high work rate, excellent interception skills, first time passing etc etc and the other side of the coin Busquets doesnt have the abilities Cesc has which is why Cesc will never be a DM and Busquets will never be a AM....

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

ragbirjosh wrote:I see your and raise you :cyclops:

Very soon you will see exactly what I'm talking about , when Guardiola rests Busquests and let's Fabregas play in the "DM" role as if the DM role of Barca is that of a true Dm.

Nah not really Cesc does'nt have the skillset for a DM but Busquet's fits a Barca DM like a glove.....

Cesc is a Spanish Lampard his game revolves around the final pass and breaking forward and scoring goals....

If Cesc replaces anyone it would be Xavi but at that same time token he does'nt have the skillset for that either i think Xavi retires you will see a change in tactic's for Spain and Barca to compensate for the loss of Xavi as neither Cesc or Thiago can replace him like for like.....


Cesc cannot replace Busquet's because he does'nt have the high work rate, excellent interception skills, first time passing etc etc and the other side of the coin Busquets doesnt have the abilities Cesc has which is why Cesc will never be a DM and Busquets will never be a AM....

btw in the future, Thiago is best one to replace Xavi not Cesc..

Thiago can play both CM & Am perfectly.. for now i prefer him playing as an AM especially in big matches until he gains enough experience to play Xavi's role.. While, Cesc should play AM/ False 9 or maybe we can call it a false 10 ( like dani said)!

Cool story Bro.We'll see how useless Alsonso is soon enough.Cesc isn't going to lone DM , he is replacing Busquets in a double pivot, where he was regualarly employed at arsenal.

Busquets has average work rate.

Fabregas should start no matter what

Khaledbarca wrote:Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

i do agree cesc deserves a place in the nt, but your quoting ben hayward... hes the stupidest editor in goal.com

ramos can be spains cb they are looking for and busquets is too great of a dm to be wasted at the backline....