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Post by guest7 Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:43 pm

Khaledbarca wrote:Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

i do agree cesc deserves a place in the nt, but your quoting ben hayward... hes the stupidest editor in goal.com Laughing

ramos can be spains cb they are looking for and busquets is too great of a dm to be wasted at the backline....

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Post by EarlyPrototype Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:47 pm

Drop biscuits and bring in Cesc. Simple
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Post by Le Samourai Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:50 pm

EarlyPrototype wrote:Drop biscuits and bring in Cesc. Simple
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:59 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:Cool story Bro.We'll see how useless Alsonso is soon enough.Cesc isn't going to lone DM , he is replacing Busquets in a double pivot, where he was regualarly employed at arsenal.

Busquets has average work rate.

Average work rate? a Barca player average work rate?

OK.

And Cesc has never played in a double-pivot he played infront of G.Silva or Flamini and then was converted to an AM.....

Alonso cannot play in a lone dm system and definitely cant play in a double pivoy system with no DM along side him....

The only system that possibly fits everyone in and this is without Xavi is this......

Alonso Busquets
Iniesta
Silva Cesc Villa

I personally dont like it myself and find it too defensive and would much prefer to see this.....

Busquets
Cesc Iniesta
Silva Llorente Villa

I have nothing against Alonso but Busquets is far superior in the lone dm role, Cesc is just superior and Iniesta is just key to everything Spain does and provides the X-Factor that something special that without Iniesta Spain dont have....
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Post by Khaled Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:06 pm

omarish wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

i do agree cesc deserves a place in the nt, but your quoting ben hayward... hes the stupidest editor in goal.com Laughing

ramos can be spains cb they are looking for and busquets is too great of a dm to be wasted at the backline....

What about the RB?
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Post by guest7 Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:49 pm

Khaledbarca wrote:
omarish wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

i do agree cesc deserves a place in the nt, but your quoting ben hayward... hes the stupidest editor in goal.com Laughing

ramos can be spains cb they are looking for and busquets is too great of a dm to be wasted at the backline....

What about the RB?

arbeloa can play there, he is a solid defender not the best attacker tho...
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Post by Khaled Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:13 pm

omarish wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:
omarish wrote:
Khaledbarca wrote:Andres Iniesta is key, Cesc Fabregas should start and Sergio Busquets can replace Carles Puyol - how Spain can learn from Barcelona again after the comeback against Chile

Vicente del Bosque's side needed an impressive second-half fightback to beat Chile, but changes to the starting XI can help avoid a repeat of the opening 45 minutes in Switzerland

By Ben Hayward | Spanish Football Editor

Without Andres Iniesta and Cesc Fabregas, Spain quite possibly would not be champions of the world. Last summer in South Africa, as the deadlock remained unbroken following 115 minutes of absorbing football in the final against Holland, Cesc found Iniesta with an intelligent defence-splitting pass which left the midfielder with just Maarten Stekelenburg to beat. The rest, as they say, is history.

On Friday night, Iniesta and Cesc proved the inspiration for Spain once again.

Having gone 2-0 down in a first half which coach Vicente del Bosque claimed "could not have gone any worse", the World Cup winners needed a reaction. Iniesta and Cesc delivered it.

Iniesta replaced Xabi Alonso and Spain improved instantly. His introduction brought a spark that had been missing in the first half, his positive influence rubbing off on his team-mates, mediocre and helpless as Chile raced into a 2-0 lead at the interval.


Fab finale | Cesc scored two late goals to stake a claim for a starting spot

Iniesta got Spain back in it with a low drive from outside the box shortly into the second period, helped into the corner by a fortuitous deflection off Gonzalo Jara. And the midfielder then turned provider for Cesc - on for Xavi - as he threaded an excellent pass through to his Barcelona team-mate, who kept his cool to level the scores. Fabregas had been on the field for just seven minutes.

A thrilling 2-2 would have been just about right, but this Spain side settle only for the best. And a winner came in the dying seconds, when Cesc converted a controversial penalty at the second attempt, after his first effort had been pushed onto the post by Claudio Bravo.

Cesc simply picked up where he had left off with Barca since signing from Arsenal, proving he is ready for a starting spot in this Spain side after five years as a luxury replacement for La Roja.

Fabregas cannot replace Xavi, who is the team's playmaker and pivotal pass-master, nor Iniesta, who showed his importance once again versus Chile. But last night's first half once again highlighted the flaws in fielding both Sergio Busquets and Xabi Alonso in the middle of the park. The partnership gives Spain solidity in the middle, but restricts La Roja as an attacking force. And just as significantly, it means there is no room for Cesc.

“I have not been this happy for some time. I am going through a great moment and let's see if I can use that by playing more with the national side.” - Cesc Fabregas

With Barca defenders Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique both missing through injury, Del Bosque's best option would have been to move Busquets into the back four, where he has performed so admirably of late for the Catalan club, and fielded Fabregas alongside Xavi, with Alonso in a deeper role.

Instead, his decision to start with another midfielder, Javi Martinez, backfired as the Athletic Bilbao man failed to cope with Chile's intensity and persistent pressure in the opening 45 minutes. It was the right idea, but the wrong personnel, as Real Madrid's Raul Albiol proved a less-than-perfect partner for the Basque and his club colleague Alvaro Arbeloa showed he is not Spain's next left-back, either.

There are issues to address, especially because the inspirational Puyol is now approaching the end of his career. Already 33 and suffering from injuries in the twilight of his playing days, the Barca captain is unlikely to be around for too much longer and replacement centre-backs are somewhat thin on the ground in Spain. Pique, still only 24, will be a fixture once he returns, and Busquets can be too. It works at Barcelona and Spain can follow Pep Guardiola's lead once more.

Ominously for their rivals, it will make La Roja even stronger.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/09/03/2648809/andres-iniesta-is-key-cesc-fabregas-should-start-and-sergio?

i do agree cesc deserves a place in the nt, but your quoting ben hayward... hes the stupidest editor in goal.com Laughing

ramos can be spains cb they are looking for and busquets is too great of a dm to be wasted at the backline....

What about the RB?

arbeloa can play there, he is a solid defender not the best attacker tho...

Arbeloa?

so are solving the CB problem with another RB problem!

anyway, Puyol will play in euro 2012 than retire from international football.. Spain has some time until 2014 ( 3 years) to find Puyol's replacement!


IMO Euro 2012,

Casillas
Ramos Pique Puyol J.Enrique
Busquets
Xavi Iniesta
Silva - Torres/Cesc - Villa/Pedro

WC 2014

Casillas
Montoya Ramos Pique J.Enrique
Busquets
Thiago/Cesc - Iniesta
Silva/Deulofeu Twisted Evil - Bojan/Cesc - Mata/Pedro

Euro 2016

De Gea
Montoya - Pique - Muniesa/S.Gomez - Grimaldo Twisted Evil
Busquets/Romeu
Thiago/Iniesta - Cesc/Isco
Silva/Pedro - Bojan/Morata - Deulofeu/Mata

hahaha Very Happy
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Post by BeautifulGame Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:22 am

I dont know why some Madrid fans dont get Alonso cant play as a lone DM and always need a pure DM alongside him to perform well.All this suggestion of playing Alonso as the lone DM is ridiculous because he isnt a DM.
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:24 am

Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.

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Post by Guest Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:39 am

The Reason for the World Cup was Villa :coffee:

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Post by Khaled Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:39 am

alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.

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Post by The Franchise Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:16 am

I would love Xavi get dropped, he would likely retire and we have more years of him totally controlling 99 out of 100 games he plays in.

I could care less about Spain, but I would stick my neck on the line and say the day Xavi is dropped is the day they dont win there very next title. They are not ready to dominate without him, despite the quality they have.

The problem with Spain is obvious, most people see it, even Madrid fans, but its easier for them to ignore it.

Xabi Alonso and Busquets dont work well together unless there is a real numbeer 10 in front of them.

They both take up the deep midfield space, neither of them ever get in front or even in line with the ball. Both are deep behind it, backing up play.

Xavi isnt a number 10, he doesnt get in between the lines, he likes to drop back and collect in the middle of the pitch so he can dictate where the ball is played and make all the correct passes.

When you play him with those two, he cant go deep because they are already in all the space. He ends up in no mans land between his usual position and the number 10 and its makes even he looked slightly confused. I see him with his back to goal on more then one occassion.

A number 10, or one more like a 10, like a Sila, a Cesc, or a Iniesta, or even a Santi..that would make more sense.

But realistically, Xavi is still Spains best player and most important player. He needs to be playing in his best role.

Take out Busi or Alonso, in my opinion Alonso seeing as we are trying to play in the Barca style, put Xavi with Iniesta and play with 3 forwards in Silva, Villa and someone else depending on the opponant.

He has put Xabi and Busi for defensively tightness, but what he is not seeing is putting Xavi with those 2 makes for more errors and makes for more defensive work in the first place.

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Post by Ali Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:39 am

Khaled, Puyol's replacement is called Ignasi Miquel
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Post by Lord Hades Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:59 am

alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? :facepalm:
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Post by the xcx Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:10 am

diptiman wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? Spain getting owned by Chile at Home - Page 5 1625187496
Nah, dont provoke him brah. Hes statement is already delusional as it is.
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Post by Le Samourai Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:26 pm

The xcx wrote:
diptiman wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few
years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? Spain getting owned by Chile at Home - Page 5 1625187496
Nah, dont provoke him brah. Hes statement is already delusional as it is.


Look while I don't think Xavi is a cancer to Spain , you can't criticize my friend here without criticizing khaledbarca as well, who came to the similar conclusion that Alonso is useless after one friendly match against Chile.Personally I really don't think any one Midfielder is integral to Spain anymore , they can all be replaced.

Also Xavi really isn't the best midfielder of all time man, he is top 10 , but isn't close to # 1

Finally Dude Xavi is THE REASON Spain are euro and WC champions.Hmmmmm, I seem to remember David Villa and Casillas carrying them to the final,Casillas saving them in the final and Fabregas and Iniesta winnimg them the Final.Puyol also got them across the germany bridge.

Xavi's impact was much more profound at the EURO's where he pretty much was the main reason behind their sucess.Casillas also contributed and Torres scored in the final and I'll be honest and say that xavi was clearly the main reason behind their sucess.
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:56 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:
The xcx wrote:
diptiman wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few
years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? Spain getting owned by Chile at Home - Page 5 1625187496
Nah, dont provoke him brah. Hes statement is already delusional as it is.


Look while I don't think Xavi is a cancer to Spain , you can't criticize my friend here without criticizing khaledbarca as well, who came to the similar conclusion that Alonso is useless after one friendly match against Chile.Personally I really don't think any one Midfielder is integral to Spain anymore , they can all be replaced.

Also Xavi really isn't the best midfielder of all time man, he is top 10 , but isn't close to # 1

Finally Dude Xavi is THE REASON Spain are euro and WC champions.Hmmmmm, I seem to remember David Villa and Casillas carrying them to the final,Casillas saving them in the final and Fabregas and Iniesta winnimg them the Final.Puyol also got them across the germany bridge.

Xavi's impact was much more profound at the EURO's where he pretty much was the main reason behind their sucess.Casillas also contributed and Torres scored in the final and I'll be honest and say that xavi was clearly the main reason behind their sucess.

Spain won the WC based on the tiki taka game.
And guess who emobodies the tiki taka game in the Spain side?
Most passes completed in a WC ever.Most chances created.Ring a bell.

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Post by Le Samourai Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:04 pm

alexjanosik wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
The xcx wrote:
diptiman wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few
years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? Spain getting owned by Chile at Home - Page 5 1625187496
Nah, dont provoke him brah. Hes statement is already delusional as it is.


Look while I don't think Xavi is a cancer to Spain , you can't criticize my friend here without criticizing khaledbarca as well, who came to the similar conclusion that Alonso is useless after one friendly match against Chile.Personally I really don't think any one Midfielder is integral to Spain anymore , they can all be replaced.

Also Xavi really isn't the best midfielder of all time man, he is top 10 , but isn't close to # 1

Finally Dude Xavi is THE REASON Spain are euro and WC champions.Hmmmmm, I seem to remember David Villa and Casillas carrying them to the final,Casillas saving them in the final and Fabregas and Iniesta winnimg them the Final.Puyol also got them across the germany bridge.

Xavi's impact was much more profound at the EURO's where he pretty much was the main reason behind their sucess.Casillas also contributed and Torres scored in the final and I'll be honest and say that xavi was clearly the main reason behind their sucess.

Spain won the WC based on the tiki taka game.
And guess who emobodies the tiki taka game in the Spain side?
Most passes completed in a WC ever.Most chances created.Ring a bell.

Most chances create ever? that's a push.He had 1 assist ffs.

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Post by Lord Hades Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:14 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:
The xcx wrote:
diptiman wrote:
alexjanosik wrote:
Guiltybystander wrote:Xavi is the cancer of spain.

They played amazing this summer without him, almost same line up now with him, and they get owned again.

Is that a coincidence? Who knows, who knows.

He is hindering Alonso, who is in superb form.

Some respect son.
That cancer as you so disrespectfully call him is the greatest midfielder to have played the game.
He is also THE REASON Spain are the reigning Euro and World champions.
He is also THE REASON your team,Stoke have been getting whipped time and time again over the past few
years.
You reach your ridiculous conclusion based on a couple of friendlies nobody gives a damn about.
What a joke?
As for Alonso never in a million years will he be one tenth of the player Xavi is.
Personally I dont give a rats damn about Spain.I want Xavi to retire from internationals so that he can prolong his career and continue ownin Stoke for years to come.
So cut the crap,take off your Stoke glasses and pay some respect.


all that is fine, but xavi the greatest midfielder to have played the game? Spain getting owned by Chile at Home - Page 5 1625187496
Nah, dont provoke him brah. Hes statement is already delusional as it is.


Look while I don't think Xavi is a cancer to Spain , you can't criticize my friend here without criticizing khaledbarca as well, who came to the similar conclusion that Alonso is useless after one friendly match against Chile.Personally I really don't think any one Midfielder is integral to Spain anymore , they can all be replaced.

Also Xavi really isn't the best midfielder of all time man, he is top 10 , but isn't close to # 1

Finally Dude Xavi is THE REASON Spain are euro and WC champions.Hmmmmm, I seem to remember David Villa and Casillas carrying them to the final,Casillas saving them in the final and Fabregas and Iniesta winnimg them the Final.Puyol also got them across the germany bridge.

Xavi's impact was much more profound at the EURO's where he pretty much was the main reason behind their sucess.Casillas also contributed and Torres scored in the final and I'll be honest and say that xavi was clearly the main reason behind their sucess.

Spain won the WC based on the tiki taka game.
And guess who emobodies the tiki taka game in the Spain side?
Most passes completed in a WC ever.Most chances created.Ring a bell.

Most chances create ever? that's a push.He had 1 assist ffs.


i didnt know that..seriously he had only one assist in the wc? lol even kaka had 3 i think///
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:20 pm

Well lets see off the top of my head,there was the backheel assist to Villa and the assist for the Puyol goal.So that makes it 2 right there.
And these are crucial assists when Spain are winning 1-0.
Also not his fault that chances are missed.

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Post by Le Samourai Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:36 pm

Also alex

Against honduras : Two great individual goals by David Villa. No tiki taka involved in either of the goals.

Against chile :Another sublime individual goal from Villa and a nice goal from iniesta. Nice one two between him and villa , so I suppose some tiki taka. Syill no xavi.

Against Portugal:Tiki taka goal with alonso xavi, iniesta and villa.

Against Praraguay: another Iniesta Villa combo goal, bordering on tiki taka.Still no xavi.

Against germany:Xavi's one assist , a corner for puyol, no tiki taka.

Against the netherlands:Counterattack , great ball from ALONSO to torres , cross to iniesta falling to Fabregas , who passes to iniesta who finishes.No tiki taka, No Xavi.

Edit: his assist against portugal was't counted becuz of Villa's reboud shot.But i'll give you that one , it was a fantastic pass.
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:52 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:Also alex

Against honduras : Two great individual goals by David Villa. No tiki taka involved in either of the goals.

Against chile :Another sublime individual goal from Villa and a nice goal from iniesta. Nice one two between him and villa , so I suppose some tiki taka. Syill no xavi.

Against Portugal:Tiki taka goal with alonso xavi, iniesta and villa.

Against Praraguay: another Iniesta Villa combo goal, bordering on tiki taka.Still no xavi.

Against germany:Xavi's one assist , a corner for puyol, no tiki taka.

Against the netherlands:Counterattack , great ball from ALONSO to torres , cross to iniesta falling to Fabregas , who passes to iniesta who finishes.No tiki taka, No Xavi.

First I talk about Xavi creating the most chances.You come up with BS and lie about the assists.
Now this post where you clearly dont understand the importance of Xavi to the system that Xavi play.
Spain won the WC playing a very efficient game.1-0 wins most of the time.It was as much a defensive system.
Not very effective but a system based on starving the opposition of the ball and completely dominating possession and play.
Xavi was the architect of the system on the field as displayed by the fact that he had the most completed passes in a WC ever and also the most chances created in the 2010 WC.

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Post by Le Samourai Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:03 pm

Look , he had 1 assist at the world cup oficially , I didn't make that up , check it out here if you need to.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/12907/xavi-hern%C3%A1ndez-creus?cc=3888

Secondly there is no way he created the most chances at the world cup , that award goes to ozil pretty easily.

Thirdly i completely understand, that Xavi is integral to Spain's defensive efficiency and their system of starving the opposition of the ball. However just because he is crucial to their overall sytem of play , the difference makers were clearly iniesta an villa, without whom there is no way Spain would get anywhere near the final.They were the key's to Spain's world cup success not Xavi, who was simply their foundation.
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Post by alexjanosik Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:08 pm

ragbirjosh wrote:Look , he had 1 assist at the world cup oficially , I didn't make that up , check it out here if you need to.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/12907/xavi-hern%C3%A1ndez-creus?cc=3888

Secondly there is no way he created the most chances at the world cup , that award goes to ozil pretty easily.

Thirdly i completely understand, that Xavi is integral to Spain's defensive efficiency and their system of starving the opposition of the ball. However just because he is crucial to their overall sytem of play , the difference makers were clearly iniesta an villa, without whom there is no way Spain would get anywhere near the final.They were the key's to Spain's world cup success not Xavi, who was simply their foundation.

Apologies there my mistake.
Just dont get why the backheel shouldnt count as an assist.

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Post by Le Samourai Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:13 pm

alexjanosik wrote:
ragbirjosh wrote:Look , he had 1 assist at the world cup oficially , I didn't make that up , check it out here if you need to.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/12907/xavi-hern%C3%A1ndez-creus?cc=3888

Secondly there is no way he created the most chances at the world cup , that award goes to ozil pretty easily.

Thirdly i completely understand, that Xavi is integral to Spain's defensive efficiency and their system of starving the opposition of the ball. However just because he is crucial to their overall sytem of play , the difference makers were clearly iniesta an villa, without whom there is no way Spain would get anywhere near the final.They were the key's to Spain's world cup success not Xavi, who was simply their foundation.

Apologies there my mistake.
Just dont get why the backheel shouldnt count as an assist.


Yea it's a stupid technicality , personally I would give him the assist also.
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Post by Arquitecto Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:16 pm

Did someone just undermine Xavi's performances for Espana? LOL.

Xavi along with Xabi Alonso was hands down the best playmaker in the World cup.

This BS about assists then? Then I guess Andrea Cossu is a better playmaker then Pirlo.

Xavi's job in the world cup was to control, possess, distribute, dominate and overall envision the whole dynamic system of the game as he was the architect of the final 3rd of the pitch. Much harder job then Ozil.

Chances created, meaning scintillating crosses, passes, through-balls and other forms of ingenius.

Why doesn't it count as an assist? Simply cause it wasn't finished or some act of brilliant defending to counter it.

This is a very simple version of what I've already gone through dozens of times.
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