Shame on Juve opting for a quick fix. What are we causing ?

Juve's latest transfer target Alex, opitimises our incapability to bring Players of a substantial quality to not only bring immediate success but prosperity for the future.

Vucinic, Pirlo, Lichsteiner. 3 key signings that will help juve meet their objectives (whatever they may be) but the similarity between these 3 players is that they all will hold a position in our team that was previously seen as a weak point and will all be in our starting eleven. Another similarity is that these players are all 27yrs old and above. Other players that were very highly linked to come instead of these 3 were ...

These 3 players could all have held a starting spot In our squad for many years to come and are all more than capable of doing very well. Instead we focused on Vucinic pirlo and Lichsteiner who are a combined 12yrs older than these 3. What's even more frightening is that those next In line to fill weak spots (Alex , Vargas are both 28,29 respectively. Signing these two will not only bring our average squad age up both delay pasquato and bonucci's progress and potentially force them out. Again both these players are more Than capable to hold a starting spot. (Pasquato too a lesser degree). It seems we are focusing on players who will do the job for next season but in a few years time will be moved on. Isn't this getting us Into the same mess we got into?

Nedved Molinaro Cannavaro Are players who I will use as a reference. We replaced nedved with pepe who is 27 yrs old ( when we got him) replaced Molinaro with grosso (32) and brought Cannavaro too start 2years ago 36) when we should've brought in a young defender at the time such as bonucci or bocchetti who was available back then. It seems we have a habit of not replacing those elder players who have left as instead we opt for a quick fix (someone of similar or just younger age who will occupy the position for a short period without really finding a long term solution. My question is when Vargas, Alex (if they join) Vucinic , pirlo , Lichsteiner leave us In a few years time where does it leave us ? Why spend say 15mil on someone like Vargas and who's value will be cut by around 50% before soon when u can spend around 10m for perotti, Elia and there potential is unlimited as well as the chances of them losing value very low


Another example could b iaquinta and Amauri , both 27, 28 when bought. 15m and 22m repspectively, now their value , both cut by more than 50%. Luckily Enough we found Matri who is 26 and very good however all other strikers are 27 or above.

Felipe melo , bought at 27 for 25m sold at 28 for potentially 12m. Antonio Nocerino same position as melo , included in Amauri deal is now one of the best dm's in Italy and is an international

Why don't we work the market properly and to it's fullest capacity , taking into consideration our short term and LONG term success. Now it's time too get it right more than ever. Agnelli and Marotta said they were building a long term success plan for juventus and it will take time. A little contradicting considering the average age of players bought is 27yrs old.

You fail to mention one of our bigger signings: Vidal who is 24 years old. Plus, the market is not closed yet. As for Beck, I think we got the better RB in Lichtsteiner and he's still 27, which is relatively young for a defender. Also, Rossi was pulled off the market by Villareal, so Marotta can't be totally to blame for that failed move.

I understand your concern for wanting to have young players and developing them, but if we purchased Rossi at 35 million or more, we probably would not have been able to reinforce other positions on the team. And Juve had a lot of significant holes in the lineup coming into this summer.

I view the purchases, up to this point, as balancing needs for the future (Vidal, Lichsteiner, maybe another player) and winning now (Pirlo, Vucinic, maybe another player). If we want to look towards buying young players and developing them, well, we have plenty of young players on our roster that deserve playing time.

Up to this point, I'm quite happy with the market and I will be very satisfied if we bring in a LW that can start or split time with Pasquato and a CB that can start over Bonucci or provide quality depth.

Juve has made the signings that they must make in order to get to the top of the league and back into European competition, which will be needed to bring in revenue to the club.

I dont see the problem

Professionel footballers of today reaches their best between 30-35 at least that is how i like them

Anyway we are Juve and we cant wait 2-3 or 5 years we need trophys now!

Nedved was 29 when he arrived forza OLD lady

BoBo wrote:I dont see the problem

Professionel footballers of today reaches their best between 30-35 at least that is how i like them

Anyway we are Juve and we cant wait 2-3 or 5 years we need trophys now!

Nedved was 29 when he arrived forza OLD lady

Yes Nedved was 29 but he was also a world player of the year . He was of a much higher level when we bought him than what Vucinic or Vargas are at now. Also people like del piero camoranesi chiellini marchisio were all given time to prove themselves and look how they turned out? Stars . And all wernt brought to the club at an older age. As for vidal who the other poster mentioned. Yes he is a great signing but i mentioned pirlo a like I say he will b a starting XI player unlike Vidal who we don't know were he will fit right now

You really need to take into consideration the number of holes that Juve are dealing with. Secco and Blanc tried to stretch the careers of multiple players that stayed with Juve during the relegation period. Juve overpaid on salary to keep certain players with the team through Serie B and through the downside of their careers (Camo and Trez are examples) and we paid their salaries even after we shipped them to other teams. Then overpaid in salaries and transfer fees for signings of players like Amauri, Diego, Poulsen, Melo, etc.

After Secco and Blanc left, we had a lot of holes to fill. We haven't had a LW since Nedved. Finally, RW got filled. We haven't had a good RB in a very long time. LB since Zambrotta. We have gone through CDMs like crazy. I could go on. We need to make signings this year of players that will fill these gaps. So, far the transfers have been good, quality, low risk transfers at an affordable price.

People really need to look at the past transfer failures, salaries, and all of the other long-term effects that Calciopoli have had on the team.

U mention we need to sign players who will fix the problem immediatly which the whole point of my article is that in 2-3 yrs time we will have too do it all over again . And where too from there? What if we make same mistakes

Let's look at the whole picture:
Marco Motta 25
Paolo De Ceglie 24
Frederik Sorensen 19
Leonardo Bonucci 24
Arturo Vidal 24
Claudio Marchisio 25
Milos Krasic 26
Alessandro Matri 26
Not to mention the pups: Pasquato 22, Ekdal 22, Giandonato 19, Boniperti 19, etc... It's a good base to build for the future.

That sums it up well ^^

Lets also look at the fact that Pirlo was free, Vucinic cost half of what Rossi would and plays differently (off the left capable of cutting in, Rossi is a left footed player = cannot do this job as well, Mirko is also versatile and can play as a LW). Juventus needed a solid RB, Beck could have and probably would have been great but Lichtsteiner is fantastic, he is as well rounded as they come.

What I'm Talking about is the transfers we have brought in and how they will start (lich Vucinic pirlo ) those current crop of players u mentioned are irrelevant . Cm rb lm ss are the positions we have struggled most with over these years

nyluigi wrote:Let's look at the whole picture:
Marco Motta 25
Paolo De Ceglie 24
Frederik Sorensen 19
Leonardo Bonucci 24
Arturo Vidal 24
Claudio Marchisio 25
Milos Krasic 26
Alessandro Matri 26
Not to mention the pups: Pasquato 22, Ekdal 22, Giandonato 19, Boniperti 19, etc... It's a good base to build for the future.

Marco Motta is already a flop... being 25 years old does not help his situation.
De Ceglie is injury prone, so speaking from a current and future stand point nothing is guranteed positive
Bonucci as he is a future player, hopefully he actually lives up to his potential.
Vidal no question about his ability
Marchisio as well, in fact the future is him right now
Krasic hopefully he keeps it up... Hasn't shown any great signs as of late
Matri is already 26, turning 27 soon... future... maybe... but Prima Punta's like him don't have many years in them.

Pasqauto does have a great future a head of him
Ekdal will not remain in Juventus in the future
Giandonato has not proven yet that he can achieve a starting role in the squad, shows potential
Boniperti to early to speculate, so basing his name is not right for now

When it comes to rebuilding the squad, you need to rebuild them with youth rather than experience as Experience is already there. Vidal is the only purchase.... AS IT STANDS NOW, HALF OF OUR YOUTH IS NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH

Luca wrote:That sums it up well ^^

Lets also look at the fact that Pirlo was free, Vucinic cost half of what Rossi would and plays differently (off the left capable of cutting in, Rossi is a left footed player = cannot do this job as well, Mirko is also versatile and can play as a LW). Juventus needed a solid RB, Beck could have and probably would have been great but Lichtsteiner is fantastic, he is as well rounded as they come.

Sure Pirlo was free, may I ask you how much his wage is? 4m per season, which is ridiculous. That's what I thought. A 33 year old who is injury prone, in a few years about to retire, not capable of playing lots of games. No disrespect to Pirlo, but free or not, his wage is too much, for his age regardless his talent which is irrelavent. That's the way to go when it comes to rebuilding a squad? And yet, no vice... not even a young vice like Aquilani or Poli.

Sure he cost half of Rossi, that is because sadly Rossi is better now and even when Vucinic was 24 years old no where near Rossi's level, His price tag says it all. Rossi is close to being World Class, at his young age with the potential he has he could become or most probably become better than Vucinic, by the time Vucinic reaches his 30's, Rossi is still going to be 26-27 years old... Charastistics don't matter, Vucinic came to play as a support striker, not a winger. Rossi is a support striker and indeed better at doing it.

Fine you have Marco Motta as your young player set for the future and Lichstiener is still 27 years old, however once again his price tag is ridiculous. As for the future, it would of been at least good to replace Motta with Beck.

So sciacca u agree with me ? :?:

Another example I may use is Martinez... Bought at 27 for 12m. ??? We could've had menez or Ramirez for that price.

pasquale22 wrote:Another example I may use is Martinez... Bought at 27 for 12m. ??? We could've had menez or Ramirez for that price.

I'm giving Marotta a "do-over" on the Martinez transfer. Everyone makes a bad move every couple of transfer windows. Even Moggi made some bad ones.

sciacca wrote:

Luca wrote:That sums it up well ^^

Lets also look at the fact that Pirlo was free, Vucinic cost half of what Rossi would and plays differently (off the left capable of cutting in, Rossi is a left footed player = cannot do this job as well, Mirko is also versatile and can play as a LW). Juventus needed a solid RB, Beck could have and probably would have been great but Lichtsteiner is fantastic, he is as well rounded as they come.

Sure Pirlo was free, may I ask you how much his wage is? 4m per season, which is ridiculous. That's what I thought. A 33 year old who is injury prone, in a few years about to retire, not capable of playing lots of games. No disrespect to Pirlo, but free or not, his wage is too much, for his age regardless his talent which is irrelavent. That's the way to go when it comes to rebuilding a squad? And yet, no vice... not even a young vice like Aquilani or Poli.

Sure he cost half of Rossi, that is because sadly Rossi is better now and even when Vucinic was 24 years old no where near Rossi's level, His price tag says it all. Rossi is close to being World Class, at his young age with the potential he has he could become or most probably become better than Vucinic, by the time Vucinic reaches his 30's, Rossi is still going to be 26-27 years old... Charastistics don't matter, Vucinic came to play as a support striker, not a winger. Rossi is a support striker and indeed better at doing it.

Fine you have Marco Motta as your young player set for the future and Lichstiener is still 27 years old, however once again his price tag is ridiculous. As for the future, it would of been at least good to replace Motta with Beck.

I would still have Aquilani over Pirlo and Montolivo, I was actually crushed when he wasn't bought originally.
Pirlo at 4M per year vs. Montolivo at 15M +3.xxM per year (he would for sure make something around that)

Vucinic can cut in off of the left side, Rossi can't do it not as well at least. Why? Because Rossi is left footed, so for him to cut inside a defender he would have to do it from the right side which Krasic (a pure right winger) is already there. Rossi is far better and better for the future but I have a feeling Mirko will surprise a lot of people.

Lichtsteiner is as well rounded of a right back as they come, he defends and attacks well. I won't really comment on his price, that was the price, Lazio was firm and Marotta sealed the deal. Better safe than sorry.

pasquale22 wrote:So sciacca u agree with me ? :?:

Yes.

Luca wrote:I would still have Aquilani over Pirlo and Montolivo, I was actually crushed when he wasn't bought originally.
Pirlo at 4M per year vs. Montolivo at 15M +3.xxM per year (he would for sure make something around that)

Vucinic can cut in off of the left side, Rossi can't do it not as well at least. Why? Because Rossi is left footed, so for him to cut inside a defender he would have to do it from the right side which Krasic (a pure right winger) is already there. Rossi is far better and better for the future but I have a feeling Mirko will surprise a lot of people.

Lichtsteiner is as well rounded of a right back as they come, he defends and attacks well. I won't really comment on his price, that was the price, Lazio was firm and Marotta sealed the deal. Better safe than sorry.

Having Pirlo is no problem... though you praised him being a free move, his salary is something that shouldn't be praised. We need a vice, and Montolivo, Aquilani or Poli would do. Regardless how much they would cost.

False, Rossi is able to cut off from the Right side regardless with a winger needless to tell you on the national team Rossi plays on the left side, but often shifts with Cassano playing on the right and it seems that he is still able to do so without a winger. And plus, that's not even an important factor. Rossi is a support striker in which he needs to support Matri, and to do so, he must just stick to his position.

sciacca wrote:

pasquale22 wrote:So sciacca u agree with me ? :?:

Yes.

Luca wrote:I would still have Aquilani over Pirlo and Montolivo, I was actually crushed when he wasn't bought originally.
Pirlo at 4M per year vs. Montolivo at 15M +3.xxM per year (he would for sure make something around that)

Vucinic can cut in off of the left side, Rossi can't do it not as well at least. Why? Because Rossi is left footed, so for him to cut inside a defender he would have to do it from the right side which Krasic (a pure right winger) is already there. Rossi is far better and better for the future but I have a feeling Mirko will surprise a lot of people.

Lichtsteiner is as well rounded of a right back as they come, he defends and attacks well. I won't really comment on his price, that was the price, Lazio was firm and Marotta sealed the deal. Better safe than sorry.

Having Pirlo is no problem... though you praised him being a free move, his salary is something that shouldn't be praised. We need a vice, and Montolivo, Aquilani or Poli would do. Regardless how much they would cost.

False, Rossi is able to cut off from the Right side regardless with a winger needless to tell you on the national team Rossi plays on the left side, but often shifts with Cassano playing on the right and it seems that he is still able to do so without a winger. And plus, that's not even an important factor. Rossi is a support striker in which he needs to support Matri, and to do so, he must just stick to his position.

False about Rossi he isn't capable of cutting in off of the left as Vucinic is it isn't debatable

nyluigi wrote:Let's look at the whole picture:
Marco Motta 25
Paolo De Ceglie 24
Frederik Sorensen 19
Leonardo Bonucci 24
Arturo Vidal 24
Claudio Marchisio 25
Milos Krasic 26
Alessandro Matri 26
Not to mention the pups: Pasquato 22, Ekdal 22, Giandonato 19, Boniperti 19, etc... It's a good base to build for the future.

Good point although Motta doesnt belong here

The difference between Juve and the teams like ManC and RM is that sadly Juve doesn't have huge money on one or two players.
The difference between Juve and the teams like Parlemo and Udinese is that luckily Juve doesn't have to finance the team by selling their best players.
This situation decides Juve's market strategy. Juve doesnot particularly aim young players, or being young is not one of the major consideration for Juve. Besides, a player at age of 27-31 is not old at all.

if we don't fix quickly the club will be turned into Udinese or Lazio 2-3 yrs ago ...we all wanted to be back well ...plus i don't find this players Quick fix

I agree with pasquale, Marotta tends to delay signing quality players and when it becomes too late, he panic signs sh*t players for a sizable amount not worth their sh*tness.... that is our problem...

elmystique wrote:I agree with pasquale, Marotta tends to delay signing quality players and when it becomes too late, he panic signs sh*t players for a sizable amount not worth their sh*tness.... that is our problem...

Aquilani
Krasic
Quagliarella

After August 20th

Martinez- End of June
Pepe- June
Motta- June

Buying old-ish players is often the sign of middle- and low-table clubs; They need quality from somewhere, but good young players tend to move to big clubs. So they buy 28+ players who are good, but won't be a long-term solution nor have much re-sale value.

Juventus, however, have got the money and are a big club.
If getting those very good young players now is too difficult, it probably is the best to buy older ones, try and get back to the top (Champions League places) and then start buying young stars again when it's easier.

Art Morte wrote:Buying old-ish players is often the sign of middle- and low-table clubs; They need quality from somewhere, but good young players tend to move to big clubs. So they buy 28+ players who are good, but won't be a long-term solution nor have much re-sale value.

Juventus, however, have got the money and are a big club.
If getting those very good young players now is too difficult, it probably is the best to buy older ones, try and get back to the top (Champions League places) and then start buying young stars again when it's easier.

I agree.
There are too many holes to fill.
Say Juventus finish third and have a 60M budget next summer, already being in the CL.
They can then spend that 60M on 2 or 3 players of higher quality.