Is There A "Correct" Way To Play Football?

babun1024 wrote:
Did I say that Farca system is limiting? As for the entertainment part, to each their own. You like it Farca style, I want all type of goals from all over the field
Also, I said Farca system has got it flaws, it means it's working but not perfect. Madrid system isn't perfect either. You choose yourself what to watch For me, Farca post Rivaldo/Dinho era is boring to the eye

babun1024 wrote:
Did I say that Farca system is limiting? As for the entertainment part, to each their own. You like it Farca style, I want all type of goals from all over the field
Also, I said Farca system has got it flaws, it means it's working but not perfect. Madrid system isn't perfect either. You choose yourself what to watch For me, Farca post Rivaldo/Dinho era is boring to the eye

buddytaller wrote:
However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

babun1024 wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

He didn't just remove Valdano, you're not informed enough He is overhauling all the club hierarchy, training facilities, players diet, castilla system etc.

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

jibers wrote:There isn't a correct way to play attacking football. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, football is a business now so the purpose of football is to make more money, so WINNING comes before all else, attacking football, whatever that is, is an added bonus.

People can think what they want tbh. Arsenal for me play the best football in Europe but their trophy cabinet has been empty for 6 years. (side tracking for people that are saying Brazil play 'attractive fotball', get a clue, they got booed by their own fans in 94, I remembr the comentators even saying that this isn't the brazil we have come to know, and in 2002, they played counter attcak, cruyff chastised them for waiting for their opponents to make mistakes and they didnt't play football according to him).

I used to find Barcelona entertaining in 09, but I find them boring now to watch. People that keep saying that they express themselves are just stupid. Barcelona is the most restrictive team I have ecer seen. How many times do you ever see a player trying to dribble apart from Messi in that team?: They keep the ball in order to try and prevent the opponent from attacking, and they just ping pong the ball around. I have said that their tactics is the best I have seen, but people that say that Barcelona players express themselves are the most deluded people I have ever seen, especially when you have most experts that come out and say it. For example, someone in Neymars camp, can't remember who, came out and said Neymar should go to Barcelona because they express themselves more and Real MAdrid are to tactical. I'm just thinking, Neymar always tries to beat his man, the guy would be drilled not to lose then ball and not pass, whereas Madrid players actually always try and beat their man and are very direct so what logic are they using? Possession doesn't mean freedom.

I try to be neutral sometimes but it is hard when a moron like Xavi comes out and starts spouting anti football comments, when Barcelona fans comeout and start spouting rubbish, same with cruyff. Why should a team expose themselves to a slaughtering when they can just hit on the counter? I personally prefer games played from end to end hence I like the prem, but I watch series A games when I can. When people use the words tactical it is used negatively as a way to say a team is restrivtive. Every team plays tactically ffs! United didn't play swashbuckling football last season, but we reached the final of Europe and won the EPL. I'll take that.

everyone is entitled to playing football how they want. not always has to be an specific way and get budged for it, thats the point of the thread and you understand..

Confused here, i basically been saying the same that all teams can and should play how they want but i dont understand the thread but Jiber's does?

You sure you have not got sum anti-barca agenda tmo? As me, Kiranr and Dani all seem to not understand the thread when all of us have said the same

sciacca wrote:

baresi wrote:
In all seriousness I never meant RM, I am saying in general, Milan for instance under LEO played more "attractive" but for me last season I enjoed more especially when we defended.

Yeah and how did that turn out for you? Yeah, not so good, you saw Inter winning everything with defensive Tactics we Italians are best at.

buddytaller wrote:When it comes to conversations on footballing philosophy, Barcelona fans love to harp on how Pep Guardiola and Barcelona play the most attacking, beautiful football there is. They deride the managers of teams that beat them, like Jose Mourinho, as managers who rely on defensive tactics to win "ugly" against the team.

However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

Mourinho does not rely on such boring tactics. His team is disciplined, but they know how to play attacking football and get the job done without having to bore spectators until the first goal. Real Madrid's 102 goals in the 2010-11 La Liga season can attest to this.

Mourinho gets his reputation for "ugly football" for the manner in which his Inter Milan team beat Barcelona over two legs in the 2009-10 Champions League.

There is no denying that the tactics employed by Mourinho in those fixtures were defensive, but there is also no denying that those tactics were necessary as the Inter Milan team of 2009-10 was a less talented team than the Barcelona team of 2009-10.

At Real Madrid, Jose Mourinho now coaches a much more offensively gifted side, and now generally plays attacking football that yields a plethora of goals.

Yes, defensive tactics are still used against Barcelona, but that is because Barcelona's possession football is designed to suffocate attacking football, giving Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho no choice but to adjust, which the team and coach have done fairly well since the first Clasico of 2010-11.


Source:Mohamed Al-Hendy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/792465-6-reasons-why-real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-better-than-pep-guardiola/page/3

Lionel Messi wrote:

babun1024 wrote:
Did I say that Farca system is limiting? As for the entertainment part, to each their own. You like it Farca style, I want all type of goals from all over the field
Also, I said Farca system has got it flaws, it means it's working but not perfect. Madrid system isn't perfect either. You choose yourself what to watch For me, Farca post Rivaldo/Dinho era is boring to the eye

So you like it when C. Ronaldo takes 18 shots a game and 10 outside the box and they all go into row Z?

Lionel Messi wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:dont become so defensive, im just saying that barca works at its best when run by its own people, and thats great.

real madrid have their own mentality and their own way of doing things. which i find a bit more open...

and del bosque is not the one who brought this to spain.

incase you dont know there was a coach before him that also won things you know...

I don't understand? How is Madrid's "mentality" more open? Is it because they change their tactics in big games vs difficult opposition?

The Madrid One wrote:

Immaculate_Mole wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

jibers wrote:There isn't a correct way to play attacking football. If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, football is a business now so the purpose of football is to make more money, so WINNING comes before all else, attacking football, whatever that is, is an added bonus.

People can think what they want tbh. Arsenal for me play the best football in Europe but their trophy cabinet has been empty for 6 years. (side tracking for people that are saying Brazil play 'attractive fotball', get a clue, they got booed by their own fans in 94, I remembr the comentators even saying that this isn't the brazil we have come to know, and in 2002, they played counter attcak, cruyff chastised them for waiting for their opponents to make mistakes and they didnt't play football according to him).

I used to find Barcelona entertaining in 09, but I find them boring now to watch. People that keep saying that they express themselves are just stupid. Barcelona is the most restrictive team I have ecer seen. How many times do you ever see a player trying to dribble apart from Messi in that team?: They keep the ball in order to try and prevent the opponent from attacking, and they just ping pong the ball around. I have said that their tactics is the best I have seen, but people that say that Barcelona players express themselves are the most deluded people I have ever seen, especially when you have most experts that come out and say it. For example, someone in Neymars camp, can't remember who, came out and said Neymar should go to Barcelona because they express themselves more and Real MAdrid are to tactical. I'm just thinking, Neymar always tries to beat his man, the guy would be drilled not to lose then ball and not pass, whereas Madrid players actually always try and beat their man and are very direct so what logic are they using? Possession doesn't mean freedom.

I try to be neutral sometimes but it is hard when a moron like Xavi comes out and starts spouting anti football comments, when Barcelona fans comeout and start spouting rubbish, same with cruyff. Why should a team expose themselves to a slaughtering when they can just hit on the counter? I personally prefer games played from end to end hence I like the prem, but I watch series A games when I can. When people use the words tactical it is used negatively as a way to say a team is restrivtive. Every team plays tactically ffs! United didn't play swashbuckling football last season, but we reached the final of Europe and won the EPL. I'll take that.

everyone is entitled to playing football how they want. not always has to be an specific way and get budged for it, thats the point of the thread and you understand..

Confused here, i basically been saying the same that all teams can and should play how they want but i dont understand the thread but Jiber's does?

You sure you have not got sum anti-barca agenda tmo? As me, Kiranr and Dani all seem to not understand the thread when all of us have said the same

because you guys think im attacking you, you dont understand the main theme in that sense

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

he got him removed to have more power and create change in a flawed system which in result produced all those years of failiure.

Wasn't it the same system that won you so many titles pre 2004?

sciacca wrote:Uff, you guys are making me read a lot here, though very good reads, it's like i have no choice.

The Madrid One wrote:

babun1024 wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

He didn't just remove Valdano, you're not informed enough He is overhauling all the club hierarchy, training facilities, players diet, castilla system etc.

free_cat wrote:

buddytaller wrote:
However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

All lies. Barça football is only slow and boring if the opposition doesn't press. It's shown many times.

And even when the opposition doesn't press, Barça ends up doing great teamwork plays every match.

I guess in that "mohamed" guy's head, this is boring:


Poor guy.

The Madrid One wrote:

buddytaller wrote:When it comes to conversations on footballing philosophy, Barcelona fans love to harp on how Pep Guardiola and Barcelona play the most attacking, beautiful football there is. They deride the managers of teams that beat them, like Jose Mourinho, as managers who rely on defensive tactics to win "ugly" against the team.

However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

Mourinho does not rely on such boring tactics. His team is disciplined, but they know how to play attacking football and get the job done without having to bore spectators until the first goal. Real Madrid's 102 goals in the 2010-11 La Liga season can attest to this.

Mourinho gets his reputation for "ugly football" for the manner in which his Inter Milan team beat Barcelona over two legs in the 2009-10 Champions League.

There is no denying that the tactics employed by Mourinho in those fixtures were defensive, but there is also no denying that those tactics were necessary as the Inter Milan team of 2009-10 was a less talented team than the Barcelona team of 2009-10.

At Real Madrid, Jose Mourinho now coaches a much more offensively gifted side, and now generally plays attacking football that yields a plethora of goals.

Yes, defensive tactics are still used against Barcelona, but that is because Barcelona's possession football is designed to suffocate attacking football, giving Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho no choice but to adjust, which the team and coach have done fairly well since the first Clasico of 2010-11.


Source:Mohamed Al-Hendy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/792465-6-reasons-why-real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-better-than-pep-guardiola/page/3

perfectly written,

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

he got him removed to have more power and create change in a flawed system which in result produced all those years of failiure.

Wasn't it the same system that won you so many titles pre 2004?

the mentality kid the mentality

free_cat wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

buddytaller wrote:When it comes to conversations on footballing philosophy, Barcelona fans love to harp on how Pep Guardiola and Barcelona play the most attacking, beautiful football there is. They deride the managers of teams that beat them, like Jose Mourinho, as managers who rely on defensive tactics to win "ugly" against the team.

However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

Mourinho does not rely on such boring tactics. His team is disciplined, but they know how to play attacking football and get the job done without having to bore spectators until the first goal. Real Madrid's 102 goals in the 2010-11 La Liga season can attest to this.

Mourinho gets his reputation for "ugly football" for the manner in which his Inter Milan team beat Barcelona over two legs in the 2009-10 Champions League.

There is no denying that the tactics employed by Mourinho in those fixtures were defensive, but there is also no denying that those tactics were necessary as the Inter Milan team of 2009-10 was a less talented team than the Barcelona team of 2009-10.

At Real Madrid, Jose Mourinho now coaches a much more offensively gifted side, and now generally plays attacking football that yields a plethora of goals.

Yes, defensive tactics are still used against Barcelona, but that is because Barcelona's possession football is designed to suffocate attacking football, giving Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho no choice but to adjust, which the team and coach have done fairly well since the first Clasico of 2010-11.


Source:Mohamed Al-Hendy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/792465-6-reasons-why-real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-better-than-pep-guardiola/page/3

perfectly written,

Yeah, perfctly written..... pile of bullshit!

Only a Real Madrid fan or someone who is butthurt by Barça in recent times will agree with that post actually. No more than 5% of world pundits would agree.

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

he got him removed to have more power and create change in a flawed system which in result produced all those years of failiure.

Wasn't it the same system that won you so many titles pre 2004?

the mentality kid the mentality

What? You had bad mentality when you were winning so many titles?

The Madrid One wrote:

free_cat wrote:

buddytaller wrote:
However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

All lies. Barça football is only slow and boring if the opposition doesn't press. It's shown many times.

And even when the opposition doesn't press, Barça ends up doing great teamwork plays every match.

I guess in that "mohamed" guy's head, this is boring:


Poor guy.

beauty is in the ey of the beholder

free_cat wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

free_cat wrote:

buddytaller wrote:
However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

All lies. Barça football is only slow and boring if the opposition doesn't press. It's shown many times.

And even when the opposition doesn't press, Barça ends up doing great teamwork plays every match.

I guess in that "mohamed" guy's head, this is boring:


Poor guy.

beauty is in the ey of the beholder

That's why everytime a game ends 0-0 with only chances from set piececs the forums are full of tactical highlights and posts commending those games. :lol!:

I leave it here, it's a pointless discussion with pointless and biased people to debate.

free_cat wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

buddytaller wrote:When it comes to conversations on footballing philosophy, Barcelona fans love to harp on how Pep Guardiola and Barcelona play the most attacking, beautiful football there is. They deride the managers of teams that beat them, like Jose Mourinho, as managers who rely on defensive tactics to win "ugly" against the team.

However, as Tom Drisdell explain's excellently in his article, the Catalan Myth is indeed nothing more than a myth. Sure, it can be called attacking football, but beautiful, it is not.

More often than not, the neutral supporter has seen himself bored to tears as Barcelona complete pass after pass after pass, dominating possession but doing little else until an opening presents itself.

When the opening goal is scored, the Barcelona loosen up and dominate the game, pounding in a number of goals; but until that goal is scored, the game is slowed tremendously and turned into a contest of patience—with Barcelona usually succeeding.

Mourinho does not rely on such boring tactics. His team is disciplined, but they know how to play attacking football and get the job done without having to bore spectators until the first goal. Real Madrid's 102 goals in the 2010-11 La Liga season can attest to this.

Mourinho gets his reputation for "ugly football" for the manner in which his Inter Milan team beat Barcelona over two legs in the 2009-10 Champions League.

There is no denying that the tactics employed by Mourinho in those fixtures were defensive, but there is also no denying that those tactics were necessary as the Inter Milan team of 2009-10 was a less talented team than the Barcelona team of 2009-10.

At Real Madrid, Jose Mourinho now coaches a much more offensively gifted side, and now generally plays attacking football that yields a plethora of goals.

Yes, defensive tactics are still used against Barcelona, but that is because Barcelona's possession football is designed to suffocate attacking football, giving Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho no choice but to adjust, which the team and coach have done fairly well since the first Clasico of 2010-11.


Source:Mohamed Al-Hendy
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/792465-6-reasons-why-real-madrids-jose-mourinho-is-better-than-pep-guardiola/page/3

perfectly written,

Yeah, perfctly written..... pile of bullshit!

Only a Real Madrid fan or someone who is butthurt by Barça in recent times will agree with that post actually. No more than 5% of world pundits would agree.

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:

The Madrid One wrote:

kiranr wrote:The only problem with Madrid over the past 5 years was hiring some average coaches and firing Capello.

Mourinho is an excellent coach and he found Valdano hindering his activities and got him removed. That does not mean he is restructuring Madrid.

he got him removed to have more power and create change in a flawed system which in result produced all those years of failiure.

Wasn't it the same system that won you so many titles pre 2004?

the mentality kid the mentality

What? You had bad mentality when you were winning so many titles?

we had bad mentality when we werent winning titles. learn how to read or gain some common sense/