Is There A "Correct" Way To Play Football?

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alexjanosik wrote:Tactical football.
These are the same revisionist idiots who claim that Mourinho is a tactical genius.
There is nothing tactical about parking the bus.Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tells you how tactical it is.
So now Lord Muppet would have us believe that the Magyars are remembered because they won the Olympics.Yeah right genius!!!
Germany won the freaking WC in 54 and yet all everyone talks about is the Hungary team.What does that tell you?

Coming to 74.Take your revisionist BS somewhere else son.
4 things are remembered about 74.
Total Football
That magnificent Holland team.
Rinus Michels
And Johan Cruyff cementing his legacy as the greatest of all time.

Giggity5313 wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:Tactical football.
These are the same revisionist idiots who claim that Mourinho is a tactical genius.
There is nothing tactical about parking the bus.Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tells you how tactical it is.
So now Lord Muppet would have us believe that the Magyars are remembered because they won the Olympics.Yeah right genius!!!
Germany won the freaking WC in 54 and yet all everyone talks about is the Hungary team.What does that tell you?

Coming to 74.Take your revisionist BS somewhere else son.
4 things are remembered about 74.
Total Football
That magnificent Holland team.
Rinus Michels
And Johan Cruyff cementing his legacy as the greatest of all time.

alexjanosik wrote:

Giggity5313 wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:Tactical football.
These are the same revisionist idiots who claim that Mourinho is a tactical genius.
There is nothing tactical about parking the bus.Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tells you how tactical it is.
So now Lord Muppet would have us believe that the Magyars are remembered because they won the Olympics.Yeah right genius!!!
Germany won the freaking WC in 54 and yet all everyone talks about is the Hungary team.What does that tell you?

Coming to 74.Take your revisionist BS somewhere else son.
4 things are remembered about 74.
Total Football
That magnificent Holland team.
Rinus Michels
And Johan Cruyff cementing his legacy as the greatest of all time.

Son everything I said is cold hard fact but nice pic.

alexjanosik wrote:Tactical football.
These are the same revisionist idiots who claim that Mourinho is a tactical genius.
There is nothing tactical about parking the bus.Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tells you how tactical it is.
So now Lord Muppet would have us believe that the Magyars are remembered because they won the Olympics.Yeah right genius!!!
Germany won the freaking WC in 54 and yet all everyone talks about is the Hungary team.What does that tell you?

Coming to 74.Take your revisionist BS somewhere else son.
4 things are remembered about 74.
Total Football
That magnificent Holland team.
Rinus Michels
And Johan Cruyff cementing his legacy as the greatest of all time.

alexjanosik wrote:Opinion.
Opinion is you laughable trying to assert that Hungary are remembered because they won the Olympics and some other revisionist claiming that park the bus is tactical.
Countless teams won the Olympics but none are remembered like Hungary.
Then as you so contradictorily claimed they are remembered for their record shattering ways including demolishing England home and way.
They destroyed everyone in their path playing revolutionary attacking football much like Barca today.

FIFA seem to agree with me by the way.
This is an article of the 74 WC on the FIFA official site.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=39/overview.html
The first line says it all really.
'1974 FIFA World Cup Germany ™
Dutch take plaudits but Germany take the prize
This was the tournament of Total Football, a showcase for the majestic talents of Johan Cruyff and Franz Beckenbauer'
FIFA agrees that 74 was about Holland and Total Football.

FIFA's article on the 54 WC.
Again its a soaring tribute to the majestic Hungary team even mentioning their friendly wins over England.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=9/overview.html
'Hungary went into the 1954 finals with the unofficial title of best team in the world. Olympic champions in 1952, they had recorded 23 wins and four draws during the preceding four years – their most celebrated victory a 6-3 humbling of England in November 1953 whereby they became the first foreign visitors to triumph at Wembley. The brightest star in the Hungarian firmament was Ferenc Puskas, the 'Galloping Major' with the fearsome left foot from the army team of Honved.

Gusztav Sebes's side featured a rich seam of talent – notably Puskas's fellow forwards Sandor Kocsis and Nandor Hidegkuti, and midfielder Josef Bozsik – and played a brand of fluid attacking football that was ahead of its time, Hidegkuti dropping deep behind Puskas and Kocsis in a prototype of the 4-2-4 formation. Hungary warmed up by routing England 7-1 in Budapest'

Tells you all you need to know about which team is more remembered.

All this shows that revolutionary beautiful attacking football is remembered more than functional wins.
And coming to your so called facts.
A supposed poll(in all probabality fake) cannot be viewed as fact.
Fact is football historians and fans alike holding teams like Holland and Hungary in higher regard even though other teams won.

And I am yet to hear a single argument on why park the bus is tactical.
Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tellsyou how tactical it is.

beautiful game
You have exposed in this thread.Revisionism is fine as long as you can back it up.

Lord Spencer wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:Opinion.
Opinion is you laughable trying to assert that Hungary are remembered because they won the Olympics and some other revisionist claiming that park the bus is tactical.
Countless teams won the Olympics but none are remembered like Hungary.
Then as you so contradictorily claimed they are remembered for their record shattering ways including demolishing England home and way.
They destroyed everyone in their path playing revolutionary attacking football much like Barca today.

FIFA seem to agree with me by the way.
This is an article of the 74 WC on the FIFA official site.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=39/overview.html
The first line says it all really.
'1974 FIFA World Cup Germany ™
Dutch take plaudits but Germany take the prize
This was the tournament of Total Football, a showcase for the majestic talents of Johan Cruyff and Franz Beckenbauer'
FIFA agrees that 74 was about Holland and Total Football.

FIFA's article on the 54 WC.
Again its a soaring tribute to the majestic Hungary team even mentioning their friendly wins over England.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=9/overview.html
'Hungary went into the 1954 finals with the unofficial title of best team in the world. Olympic champions in 1952, they had recorded 23 wins and four draws during the preceding four years – their most celebrated victory a 6-3 humbling of England in November 1953 whereby they became the first foreign visitors to triumph at Wembley. The brightest star in the Hungarian firmament was Ferenc Puskas, the 'Galloping Major' with the fearsome left foot from the army team of Honved.

Gusztav Sebes's side featured a rich seam of talent – notably Puskas's fellow forwards Sandor Kocsis and Nandor Hidegkuti, and midfielder Josef Bozsik – and played a brand of fluid attacking football that was ahead of its time, Hidegkuti dropping deep behind Puskas and Kocsis in a prototype of the 4-2-4 formation. Hungary warmed up by routing England 7-1 in Budapest'

Tells you all you need to know about which team is more remembered.

All this shows that revolutionary beautiful attacking football is remembered more than functional wins.
And coming to your so called facts.
A supposed poll(in all probabality fake) cannot be viewed as fact.
Fact is football historians and fans alike holding teams like Holland and Hungary in higher regard even though other teams won.

And I am yet to hear a single argument on why park the bus is tactical.
Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tellsyou how tactical it is.

beautiful game
You have exposed in this thread.Revisionism is fine as long as you can back it up.

Thanks for accusing me of lying, but so would you know makung a poll is easy if you have a good number of contacts,and its Ramamdan where families genarally stay together in the middle east.

Second, it is funny you who claim Barca can wipe the floor with every great Italian team ask for facts. Espicially when Spain aka Barca-Lite was not able to defeat the weakened 2008 Italy.

Now to your points:

On the 1974 FIFA article, notice how they mentioned both Cuyff and Beckenbauer instead of just Cruyff.

Also, you do not respond to the fact that the Dutch team was a carbon copy of the Ajax team, which was the reason the DUtch were treated as favorites.
It is also my opinion that if Ajax and Holland both did not win anything that the total football team would have been forgotten.

Also, not because FIFA agrees with that it means most people do. Most people outside of Europe then never knew anything about any Ajax team, and hence looked at the winners of the WCs as idols. Espicially when somegames were not even showed in TV just in Radio.

On the 1954 article:

Notice how FIFA mentiones the olympic title Hungary won. It is one of the few articles by FIFA that singals out a non FIFA trophy, because back then the olympic title nearly equalled the WC.
I can't see how claiming their record shattering is one reason they are remembered is contadictory. If they played exactly as they played but did not score much goals then there will be no prof of their dominance, since no singal footage of the 1954 WC exist. So in principle, it was the result of their tactics that won them immortality, and not their tactics.

Also notic ehow the FIFA articlealludes to Hungarys wins to support their dominance. Histroy looks at results instead of the how to, and that is a fact. The how to is useful in repeating Histroy as we see Barca do today.

You say Holland and Hungary will always be remembered more than Germany. But it is Germany that is the super football power and not those two, and is Germany that has the Golden starswhile theDutch get the title of chokers. Sorry but I would rather be a dominantly boring MU than an exciting second place teamlike Arsenal.

All therecords of how great so and so played are subjective, but the fact that so and so won is objective.

Again, beuty is in the eye of the beholder.

P.S: On park the bus tactics,I explained in an earlier thread how this is going to be an increasing tactics used by small teams to get results in an increasingly largeing void between top and small teams.

P.S.S: The defenitions ofpark the bus tactics are varried, please explai your own defenition if you want a proper reply.

alexjanosik wrote:

Lord Spencer wrote:

alexjanosik wrote:Opinion.
Opinion is you laughable trying to assert that Hungary are remembered because they won the Olympics and some other revisionist claiming that park the bus is tactical.
Countless teams won the Olympics but none are remembered like Hungary.
Then as you so contradictorily claimed they are remembered for their record shattering ways including demolishing England home and way.
They destroyed everyone in their path playing revolutionary attacking football much like Barca today.

FIFA seem to agree with me by the way.
This is an article of the 74 WC on the FIFA official site.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=39/overview.html
The first line says it all really.
'1974 FIFA World Cup Germany ™
Dutch take plaudits but Germany take the prize
This was the tournament of Total Football, a showcase for the majestic talents of Johan Cruyff and Franz Beckenbauer'
FIFA agrees that 74 was about Holland and Total Football.

FIFA's article on the 54 WC.
Again its a soaring tribute to the majestic Hungary team even mentioning their friendly wins over England.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/edition=9/overview.html
'Hungary went into the 1954 finals with the unofficial title of best team in the world. Olympic champions in 1952, they had recorded 23 wins and four draws during the preceding four years – their most celebrated victory a 6-3 humbling of England in November 1953 whereby they became the first foreign visitors to triumph at Wembley. The brightest star in the Hungarian firmament was Ferenc Puskas, the 'Galloping Major' with the fearsome left foot from the army team of Honved.

Gusztav Sebes's side featured a rich seam of talent – notably Puskas's fellow forwards Sandor Kocsis and Nandor Hidegkuti, and midfielder Josef Bozsik – and played a brand of fluid attacking football that was ahead of its time, Hidegkuti dropping deep behind Puskas and Kocsis in a prototype of the 4-2-4 formation. Hungary warmed up by routing England 7-1 in Budapest'

Tells you all you need to know about which team is more remembered.

All this shows that revolutionary beautiful attacking football is remembered more than functional wins.
And coming to your so called facts.
A supposed poll(in all probabality fake) cannot be viewed as fact.
Fact is football historians and fans alike holding teams like Holland and Hungary in higher regard even though other teams won.

And I am yet to hear a single argument on why park the bus is tactical.
Stoke and Blackburn do it.Tellsyou how tactical it is.

beautiful game
You have exposed in this thread.Revisionism is fine as long as you can back it up.

Thanks for accusing me of lying, but so would you know makung a poll is easy if you have a good number of contacts,and its Ramamdan where families genarally stay together in the middle east.

Second, it is funny you who claim Barca can wipe the floor with every great Italian team ask for facts. Espicially when Spain aka Barca-Lite was not able to defeat the weakened 2008 Italy.

Now to your points:

On the 1974 FIFA article, notice how they mentioned both Cuyff and Beckenbauer instead of just Cruyff.

Also, you do not respond to the fact that the Dutch team was a carbon copy of the Ajax team, which was the reason the DUtch were treated as favorites.
It is also my opinion that if Ajax and Holland both did not win anything that the total football team would have been forgotten.

Also, not because FIFA agrees with that it means most people do. Most people outside of Europe then never knew anything about any Ajax team, and hence looked at the winners of the WCs as idols. Espicially when somegames were not even showed in TV just in Radio.

On the 1954 article:

Notice how FIFA mentiones the olympic title Hungary won. It is one of the few articles by FIFA that singals out a non FIFA trophy, because back then the olympic title nearly equalled the WC.
I can't see how claiming their record shattering is one reason they are remembered is contadictory. If they played exactly as they played but did not score much goals then there will be no prof of their dominance, since no singal footage of the 1954 WC exist. So in principle, it was the result of their tactics that won them immortality, and not their tactics.

Also notic ehow the FIFA articlealludes to Hungarys wins to support their dominance. Histroy looks at results instead of the how to, and that is a fact. The how to is useful in repeating Histroy as we see Barca do today.

You say Holland and Hungary will always be remembered more than Germany. But it is Germany that is the super football power and not those two, and is Germany that has the Golden starswhile theDutch get the title of chokers. Sorry but I would rather be a dominantly boring MU than an exciting second place teamlike Arsenal.

All therecords of how great so and so played are subjective, but the fact that so and so won is objective.

Again, beuty is in the eye of the beholder.

P.S: On park the bus tactics,I explained in an earlier thread how this is going to be an increasing tactics used by small teams to get results in an increasingly largeing void between top and small teams.

P.S.S: The defenitions ofpark the bus tactics are varried, please explai your own defenition if you want a proper reply.

But Holland didnt win anything.Yet they are still remembered.Diresct response to your quote
'It is also my opinion that if Ajax and Holland both did not win anything that the total football team would have been forgotten.'
The point dani made was that if you consider the greatest teams throughout history all of them played glorious attacking football.
Which is why Hungary and Holland are remembered as well as they are.
Do ypou really thinkl that Hungary would be remembered as much if they won all those games 1-0 playing disgusting catenaccio.
No they would not.The likes of Inter won a lot in thatb era playing catenaccio but still they are not talked about as much as other great attacking sides.
Why do you think is thAT?
Another contemporaray example.
Inter won the treble just after Barca won the treble.And yet nobody even mentions the Inter team in the same breath as the Barca team.Nobody calls the Inter team one of the greatest of all time.
If as you claim results are all athat matter then Inter should be talked about and remembered just as much as Barca.
But thats clearly not the case.
The reason is that one team played celestial attacking football and the other parked the bus.
No matter how much you try to argue otherwise there is a direct corerelation between all time great teams and attacking football in majority people's mind.
And FIFA agrees tyhat Holland and Total Football were the legacy of the 74 WC.
It doesnt get any more official than FIFA.