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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:10 am

The Franchise wrote:So we should overpay because PSG did?

No thanks.

Overpay? You think that 40-45 million is overpaying? GTFO

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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:10 am

paperbackwriter wrote:
The Franchise wrote:What you crying for?

Didnt Barca offer 30m?


For a European top teams captain, superstar and cash cow player who is very young in comparison to his ability and also have a long contract that's pretty much an insult. For that kind of money they should be looking at players at the level of Pastore and Götze. Ops, you can't even get Pastore for that. And you certainly can't get a player who have been carrying a top 3 PL team since he was 19.

45-50 mil and everybody would be happy. Except Barcelona who try to play a ball game they can't afford.

Again...Cesc should cost more then Figo did? Seriously lol
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:10 am

Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:What you crying for?

Didnt Barca offer 30m?

Are you kidding me, 30 m for one of the best players in the world and a proven player? he is worth at least 40 million.

Other clubs easy would pay 50 million for him.

Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone.

Also...he is worth 40? So, he should cost more then prime Figo? Give me a break.

No club is going to pay you 50, your dreaming.
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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:11 am

When was Figo sold? What was the most expensive transfer at the time?

If you can't see where I'm going with this, then there is not point in continuing.

I mean, seriously...Figo cost more than MARADONA did? WTF?
Explain that then, genius.
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Post by paperbackwriter Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:12 am

Iceman wrote:Can we please stop the unnecessary bashing of Barcelona? You're basing all of this on a rumor ffs. You can call them whatever you want when they actually do something wrong, like Xavi's comments or something, but not based on a rumor.

I'm not even basing this on the article in the thread that I find very doubtful. But rather the fact that Arsenal finally have opened for negotiations and Barcelona can't give them an offer that makes them happy. But instead try to low ball after this whole ordeal stretching over 3 summers soon. Any decent club going after that level of a player from a team of that level should be happy that they even get a chance to acquire him and happily offer what is demanded. And 45-50 mil isn't even stretching it from Arsenals perspective. I find it to be pretty reasonable in todays market.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:12 am

Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
paperbackwriter wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
hrealmadrid wrote:People can complain all they want about how Madrid spend countless dollars acquiring other clubs top players however at least we meet the buyout prices and don't low ball them. If you want him pay for him. Enough said.

So you want praise for overpaying for players?

You're not in a position where you can negotiate the asking price for a player when a) the selling team do not need to sell (they can afford to say no) b) the player doesn't force the transfer.

Cesc is very respectful to Arsenal and want them to get what he's worth by not doing a Mascherano. And people call him a coward. He wants the move but not on Arsenals expense. While Barcelona is insulting both Arsenal and Cesc by being cheap. While they have shown before that they are not scared of paying top prices (Villa, Ibra).

And Real Madrid have made some big money signings for players with great market value and long contracts. But they've also made some of the best cheap buys in the last couple of years in players like Özil, Sahin, Khedira and Carvalho.

Villa and Ibra were strikers and we have a gaping hole in the team, for a striker.

Cesc is a injury prone midfielder who wont start.

We arent insulting anyone, we offer what we feel he is worth. If it is so insulting, why dont Arsenal just stop all negations?

We dont need to overpay, we have no gaping hole in the squad only he can fill.

And all those Madrid deals, thats great, but you spent 50m on Kaka.....

Barcelona spent around 70 million for Ibra? is that not overpay?

So? Wasnt that proven to be a big mistake? Why should we do it again?
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:12 am

"Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone."

So why are Barcelona interested in him? You guys are jokes.

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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:12 am

ZOMG, how did Figo cost more than MARADONA? ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG...someone please explain this to me. I'm in a dilemma...this just makes no sense.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:12 am

english_jewel wrote:
The Franchise wrote:So we should overpay because PSG did?

No thanks.

GTFO then because sales have to correspond with today's market

BTW Cesc is easily worth 40m in any market.

Based on what? U cant compare Fabregas and Pastore prices they are totally different scenarios.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:13 am

english_jewel wrote:"Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone."

So why are Barcelona interested in him? You guys are jokes.

Because Pep is gay for him.

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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:14 am

Cesc's value is 40-45 million, easily. He is only 23/24 and he's already a top 3 Central Midfielder.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:14 am

BeautifulGame wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
The Franchise wrote:So we should overpay because PSG did?

No thanks.

GTFO then because sales have to correspond with today's market

BTW Cesc is easily worth 40m in any market.

Based on what? U cant compare Fabregas and Pastore prices they are totally different scenarios.

Based on what? Based on today's market, don't tell me you know nothing about inflation. Anyways as I said Cesc is worth 40m in any market...Barcelona are trying to make it sound like he's some average player who'll just be a squad player.

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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:15 am

BTW, can someone please explain to me how come Figo cost more than Maradona? Because I'm having a hard time grasping The Franchise's argument
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:15 am

english_jewel wrote:
BeautifulGame wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
The Franchise wrote:So we should overpay because PSG did?

No thanks.

GTFO then because sales have to correspond with today's market

BTW Cesc is easily worth 40m in any market.

Based on what? U cant compare Fabregas and Pastore prices they are totally different scenarios.

Based on what? Based on today's market, don't tell me you know nothing about inflation. Anyways as I said Cesc is worth 40m in any market...Barcelona are trying to make it sound like he's some average player who'll just be a squad player.

At Barca he would be lol.
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Post by Raptorgunner Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:16 am

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Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:What you crying for?

Didnt Barca offer 30m?

Are you kidding me, 30 m for one of the best players in the world and a proven player? he is worth at least 40 million.

Other clubs easy would pay 50 million for him.

Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone.

Also...he is worth 40? So, he should cost more then prime Figo? Give me a break.

No club is going to pay you 50, your dreaming.

We are talking about today market, so what you saying is Andy Carroll is better then Cesc, he went for 35m and cesc is going for around 30, actually Barcelona bid was 27 mill if I am not mistaken.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:16 am

Iceman wrote:When was Figo sold? What was the most expensive transfer at the time?

If you can't see where I'm going with this, then there is not point in continuing.

I mean, seriously...Figo cost more than MARADONA did? WTF?
Explain that then, genius.

Why you getting sand in your vagina?

Barca offered 30m...I dont think that is far off his value at all. He is closer to 30m then 40m in my opinion.

Just because people are overpaying left, right and center (including us in the past) we should do it again?

No, we will offer what he is worth in our eyes. You can reject or accept, or even stop listening. But you havent stopped listening have you? Clearly 30m isnt that much of an insult then.

Figo was what 10 years ago? What about Shevchenko? What about Kaka?

Why dont we compare him to Kaka if you like?

If Cesc as good as prime Kaka? No.

Does he have the titles Kaka has? No.

So why should we pay that kind of price?

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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:17 am

Iceman wrote:BTW, can someone please explain to me how come Figo cost more than Maradona? Because I'm having a hard time grasping The Franchise's argument



Talk to me instead of trying to get cool points from the everyone else. Dont be so desperate.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:18 am

Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:What you crying for?

Didnt Barca offer 30m?

Are you kidding me, 30 m for one of the best players in the world and a proven player? he is worth at least 40 million.

Other clubs easy would pay 50 million for him.

Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone.

Also...he is worth 40? So, he should cost more then prime Figo? Give me a break.

No club is going to pay you 50, your dreaming.

We are talking about today market, so what you saying is Andy Carroll is better then Cesc, he went for 35m and cesc is going for around 30, actually Barcelona bid was 27 mill if I am not mistaken.

Yeah, thats what im saying....Carroll is better then Cesc........

I mean, that point about we dont want to overpay isnt sailing clearly over your head right now.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:19 am

Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:What you crying for?

Didnt Barca offer 30m?

Are you kidding me, 30 m for one of the best players in the world and a proven player? he is worth at least 40 million.

Other clubs easy would pay 50 million for him.

Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone.

Also...he is worth 40? So, he should cost more then prime Figo? Give me a break.

No club is going to pay you 50, your dreaming.

We are talking about today market, so what you saying is Andy Carroll is better then Cesc, he went for 35m and cesc is going for around 30, actually Barcelona bid was 27 mill if I am not mistaken.

Are you trying to compare the Carroll situation to this situation?

SMFH Laughing

Let me explain it to you so maybe you could understand......

1. Transfer Deadline day
2. Newcastle was'nt willing to sell
3. Carroll did'nt want to leave
4. Liverpool were desperate for a CF

See the difference ? Laughing
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Post by Iceman Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:19 am

The Franchise wrote:
Iceman wrote:When was Figo sold? What was the most expensive transfer at the time?

If you can't see where I'm going with this, then there is not point in continuing.

I mean, seriously...Figo cost more than MARADONA did? WTF?
Explain that then, genius.

Why you getting sand in your vagina?

Barca offered 30m...I dont think that is far off his value at all. He is closer to 30m then 40m in my opinion.

Just because people are overpaying left, right and center (including us in the past) we should do it again?

No, we will offer what he is worth in our eyes. You can reject or accept, or even stop listening. But you havent stopped listening have you? Clearly 30m isnt that much of an insult then.

Figo was what 10 years ago? What about Shevchenko? What about Kaka?

Why dont we compare him to Kaka if you like?

If Cesc as good as prime Kaka? No.

Does he have the titles Kaka has? No.

So why should we pay that kind of price?


Kaka cost 64 million, and that was 2 years ago. Taking inflation into account, and your evaluation of Cesc as an inferior player, then paying 24 million less than Kaka sounds more than reasonable to me.

Not to mention, Arsenal aren't constrained financially. We have more than enough money to do whatever we want. We value him at 40-50 million, and so you either pay that amount or GTFO. Choosing to whine to the media, or asking him to pay the rest of the money is not our concern.
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Post by El Chelsea Fuerte Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:19 am

If you don't want to pay that price then leave and call it quits...it's that simple

Barcelona are not obliged to get Cesc back just because of his connections.

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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:19 am

english_jewel wrote:"Proven what? He hasnt won anything with you. He hasnt outplayed a top midfield on a consistent basis...has he even outplayed a top midfield period? He is also injury prone."

So why are Barcelona interested in him? You guys are jokes.

Because he is a very good player?

Just because of what I said, doesnt make him a bad player does it?
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Post by paperbackwriter Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:20 am

The Franchise wrote:
paperbackwriter wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
hrealmadrid wrote:People can complain all they want about how Madrid spend countless dollars acquiring other clubs top players however at least we meet the buyout prices and don't low ball them. If you want him pay for him. Enough said.

So you want praise for overpaying for players?

You're not in a position where you can negotiate the asking price for a player when a) the selling team do not need to sell (they can afford to say no) b) the player doesn't force the transfer.

Cesc is very respectful to Arsenal and want them to get what he's worth by not doing a Mascherano. And people call him a coward. He wants the move but not on Arsenals expense. While Barcelona is insulting both Arsenal and Cesc by being cheap. While they have shown before that they are not scared of paying top prices (Villa, Ibra).

And Real Madrid have made some big money signings for players with great market value and long contracts. But they've also made some of the best cheap buys in the last couple of years in players like Özil, Sahin, Khedira and Carvalho.

Villa and Ibra were strikers and we have a gaping hole in the team, for a striker.

Cesc is a injury prone midfielder who wont start.

We arent insulting anyone, we offer what we feel he is worth. If it is so insulting, why dont Arsenal just stop all negations?

We dont need to overpay, we have no gaping hole in the squad only he can fill.

And all those Madrid deals, thats great, but you spent 50m on Kaka.....

This must be the most arrogant comment I've read ever. So you spend three summers unsettling a player, with everyone from president to waterboy crying about how much he belongs at Barcelona and how he's being kidnapped. And when Arsenal finally opens up for negotiations.... Then "he's not really needed, we're just offering what we feel he's worth". If this was how much Barcelona valued Cesc from the beginning, they should have kept their mouths shut.

What I learned from this comment: Barcelonas level of need should define the market value of a player. Period.

Why did Barcelona even go after Cesc and not say, Borja Valero who they could get for 30 mil if they didn't want pay for what they wanted..?

And you exchanged the best striker in the world plus 50 mil for Ibra, good one about "lacking strikers", since you didn't get more depth and went down in quality.
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Post by BeautifulGame Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:20 am

english_jewel wrote:
BeautifulGame wrote:
english_jewel wrote:
The Franchise wrote:So we should overpay because PSG did?

No thanks.

GTFO then because sales have to correspond with today's market

BTW Cesc is easily worth 40m in any market.

Based on what? U cant compare Fabregas and Pastore prices they are totally different scenarios.

Based on what? Based on today's market, don't tell me you know nothing about inflation. Anyways as I said Cesc is worth 40m in any market...Barcelona are trying to make it sound like he's some average player who'll just be a squad player.

Fabregas only wants to go to Barcelona so they are not competing with anyone.They need him only as a squad player too and even if they cant get him this season they can afford to wait for next season.

So why should Barcelona pay 45 mil for Fabregas? Its clear Barca has all the advantages in this transfer so they can offer as low as possible and would probably get him too.Considering this scenarion why should they pay 45 mil for Fabregas?
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:23 am

english_jewel wrote:If you don't want to pay that price then leave and call it quits...it's that simple

Barcelona are not obliged to get Cesc back just because of his connections.

Not really.

We offer, they accept or reject. We go from there.

We dont have pay or leave...otherwise this saga would of been finished for another year by now...obviously.
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Post by The Franchise Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:24 am

Iceman wrote:
The Franchise wrote:
Iceman wrote:When was Figo sold? What was the most expensive transfer at the time?

If you can't see where I'm going with this, then there is not point in continuing.

I mean, seriously...Figo cost more than MARADONA did? WTF?
Explain that then, genius.

Why you getting sand in your vagina?

Barca offered 30m...I dont think that is far off his value at all. He is closer to 30m then 40m in my opinion.

Just because people are overpaying left, right and center (including us in the past) we should do it again?

No, we will offer what he is worth in our eyes. You can reject or accept, or even stop listening. But you havent stopped listening have you? Clearly 30m isnt that much of an insult then.

Figo was what 10 years ago? What about Shevchenko? What about Kaka?

Why dont we compare him to Kaka if you like?

If Cesc as good as prime Kaka? No.

Does he have the titles Kaka has? No.

So why should we pay that kind of price?


Kaka cost 64 million, and that was 2 years ago. Taking inflation into account, and your evaluation of Cesc as an inferior player, then paying 24 million less than Kaka sounds more than reasonable to me.

Not to mention, Arsenal aren't constrained financially. We have more than enough money to do whatever we want. We value him at 40-50 million, and so you either pay that amount or GTFO. Choosing to whine to the media, or asking him to pay the rest of the money is not our concern.

Clearly that isnt the case is it.

You guys are still listening...so its not pay or get out..we are still in your grill trying to bring the price down.

Why cry and pretend to be insulted by Barca's offers? If it was so bad, why is there is negotiations?

Dont talk to me about inflation, seriously.

The logic of, Madrid overpayed for Kaka therefore you have to equally overpay for Cesc makes no sense to me.
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