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Post by Babun Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:25 pm

Pep: He's got Farca DNA, come back to Daddy ( Is he his illegitimate child? ) Very Happy

Xavi: It would be nice to have Cesc back ( I need someone on the bench who gives me some rest, my back is itching...)

Wenga: He is my slave... my boy, I mean! Pay up or leave our happy, young familiy alone. Who needs succes when there is so much harmony (Nasri, Bendtner...) Very Happy

Cesc: I don't know anything but I was happy to talk about it... ( MIA at the moment Very Happy)

Farca fans: Pep, pease don't do it, Thiago>Cesc, c'mon, we don't even need him. A 40million € bench player? :lol!:

Arsenal fans: Cesc is good enough to start in any team even in Farca. Question: is he better than Xaviniesta? Answer: we don't know for sure but he'd start in any team Very Happy
What do you think about Cesc leaving? We should sign Juan Mata. Question:What about Cesc? Answer: Mata? Very Happy

Neutrals: frak, just sign him for frak's sake, the forums are overloaded with Cesc-> Farca threads Very Happy

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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:29 pm

let us have cesc, you have thiago as back up already
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:30 pm

Iceman wrote:Statistically, he has been better than Xavi for the past 5 years as well.
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This proves otherwise, and Xavi isn't the main playmaker on the team anyway.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:30 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:let us have cesc, you have thiago as back up already

Deal *Shakes Nick's Hand* Cool
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:31 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:
Iceman wrote:Statistically, he has been better than Xavi for the past 5 years as well.
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This proves otherwise, and Xavi isn't the main playmaker on the team anyway.

How many of those passes turn in to goals, how many of them were killer passer, how many of them were inside the Barcelona half with the CB lol.
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Post by Sushi Master Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:32 pm

Those passes haven't anything to do with the end product. Like 3 thousand of those passes are sideways or backwards, anyways.

Not dissing Xavi here, but stats aren't everything.
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:33 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:
Lionel Messi wrote:
Iceman wrote:Statistically, he has been better than Xavi for the past 5 years as well.
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This proves otherwise, and Xavi isn't the main playmaker on the team anyway.

How many of those passes turn in to goals, how many of them were killer passer, how many of them were inside the Barcelona half with the CB lol.
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Xavi isn't an AM and he isn't the playmaker, obviously he isn't going to have as many assists.

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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:34 pm

Xavi isnt the playmaker? scratch

who is it? valdes? or pinto from the bench?
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Post by Iceman Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:36 pm

Lionel Messi wrote:
Iceman wrote:Statistically, he has been better than Xavi for the past 5 years as well.
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This proves otherwise, and Xavi isn't the main playmaker on the team anyway.

Passes completed? ffs...Gerard Pique has more passes than Fabregas. What does that mean? Nothing..
I meant assists and goals ofcourse, which is what counts most
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:36 pm

638 games played and scored 62 goals- Xavi
303 games played and scored 57 goals - Cesc
415 games played and scored 38 goals.-Iniesta

So whats your point with passes lol. If you want to bring up passes we can bring up goals.



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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:37 pm

Muemba Arnold > Messi
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Post by juberish Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:40 pm

Any list of passing stats that includes John Terry is not worth posting...
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Post by Sushi Master Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:40 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:Muemba Arnold > Messi
The great Rivalry is also settled:

Barry > Messi, Mascherano and M'Vila.

Plus Terry might just be a playmaker.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:42 pm

Raptorgunner wrote:638 games played and scored 62 goals- Xavi
303 games played and scored 57 goals - Cesc

So whats your point with passes lol

That point is almost as stupid as Lionel Messi's lol....

Of course an AM is going to score more than a CM.

Anyway iam tired of this Xavi is humble and respectful while Cesc is not even a humble invidual yet never mind respectful.

Also Barry Ferguson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mezut Ozil
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:45 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:638 games played and scored 62 goals- Xavi
303 games played and scored 57 goals - Cesc

So whats your point with passes lol

That point is almost as stupid as Lionel Messi's lol....

Of course an AM is going to score more than a CM.

Anyway iam tired of this Xavi is humble and respectful while Cesc is not even a humble invidual yet never mind respectful.

Also Barry Ferguson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mezut Ozil

Why you think I did that to show the passes dont mean shit, same as the goals.
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Post by Babun Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:45 pm

Immaculate_Mole wrote:
Raptorgunner wrote:638 games played and scored 62 goals- Xavi
303 games played and scored 57 goals - Cesc

So whats your point with passes lol

That point is almost as stupid as Lionel Messi's lol....

Of course an AM is going to score more than a CM.

Anyway iam tired of this Xavi is humble and respectful while Cesc is not even a humble invidual yet never mind respectful.

Also Barry Ferguson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mezut Ozil
Stoke>>>>>>>>>>>>Farca Very Happy
They actually beat Hajduk Very Happy
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Post by Raptorgunner Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:48 pm

babun why are you insulting Stoke city, no team can even get close to stoke not this life time.
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:43 pm

Xavi is a tempo setter, not a playmaker.

If there was a stat for third ball to target, Xavi would have the highest number. Also, it does not matter, since Xavi is responsible for the precious Barca possession, of which without Barca would not win as much.

It is ignorant to compare the two players stat wise, and pulling out different goal and assisst stats for the two shows little understanding of the game.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:50 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:Xavi is a tempo setter, not a playmaker.

If there was a stat for third ball to target, Xavi would have the highest number. Also, it does not matter, since Xavi is responsible for the precious Barca possession, of which without Barca would not win as much.

It is ignorant to compare the two players stat wise, and pulling out different goal and assisst stats for the two shows little understanding of the game.

Not entirely true, the possession game is a team effort it's down to a collective of pressure and passing through out the 11 players.... Pique and Busquet's are arguably just as important.

Thiago for example at 95% success rate out of over 100 passes against Bayern or Man Utd cant remember witch which show's as long as another playmaker is there to take Xavi's place it does'nt effect there possession game all that much.

I agree Xavi is probably the most important as far as winning goes but i dont agree he is responsible for the possession game.

He make's it better but i dont agree it would totally crumble without him because as i said its a team thing.
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Post by Albiceleste Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:51 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:Xavi is a tempo setter, not a playmaker.

If there was a stat for third ball to target, Xavi would have the highest number. Also, it does not matter, since Xavi is responsible for the precious Barca possession, of which without Barca would not win as much.

It is ignorant to compare the two players stat wise, and pulling out different goal and assisst stats for the two shows little understanding of the game.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:53 pm

the role of the playmaker is to set the tempo, he not only does that but he organizes the play and direct the game.


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Post by Albiceleste Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:54 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:the role of the playmaker is to set the tempo
or to... make plays? :bball:

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Post by Adit Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:55 pm

Xavi aint a tempo setter only,its just one of his duties.


He is a play maker by default,every move goes throw him and starts from him.


Infact tempo stting aint the biggest influence xavi has on barca play,its his distribution to correct places that helps barca to keep possession upto a huge time.btw "Xavi is not a playmaker" arguament is laughable at best.
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:02 pm

Adit wrote:Xavi aint a tempo setter only,its just one of his duties.


He is a play maker by default,every move goes throw him and starts from him.


Infact tempo stting aint the biggest influence xavi has on barca play,its his distribution to correct places that helps barca to keep possession upto a huge time.btw "Xavi is not a playmaker" arguament is laughable at best.

Xavi is regista type playmaker, registas traditionally never have high Goal/assisst stats.

Read this for more information about playmakers.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker[/url

@Mole, while it is true that possession is a team effort, you need an immensly talented midfield to make use of that possession. Which is what Xavi and Ineista does.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:11 pm

Lord Spencer wrote:
Adit wrote:Xavi aint a tempo setter only,its just one of his duties.


He is a play maker by default,every move goes throw him and starts from him.


Infact tempo stting aint the biggest influence xavi has on barca play,its his distribution to correct places that helps barca to keep possession upto a huge time.btw "Xavi is not a playmaker" arguament is laughable at best.

Xavi is regista type playmaker, registas traditionally never have high Goal/assisst stats.

Read this for more information about playmakers.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker[/url

@Mole, while it is true that possession is a team effort, you need an immensly talented midfield to make use of that possession. Which is what Xavi and Ineista does.

so he is a playmaker right? Laughing
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Post by Lord Spencer Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:29 pm

Yes, but the regista is rarely used in England, and the playmakers there are usually traditional playmakers, which was LM argument, if you bothered to actually read it.

Also, as in the article, the regista is not a playmaker in the direct sense, but is more of playconducter than maker.
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