Ballon D'or 2024

farfan wrote: Barça fans aren't even bothering making the case for Rodri, they're just celebrating a Madrid player that they hate not winning it

What

Myesyats wrote:

farfan wrote: Barça fans aren't even bothering making the case for Rodri, they're just celebrating a Madrid player that they hate not winning it

What

Well of course it's true

Casciavit wrote:

Although seeing the Madrid media/fan/club meltdown has been hilarious. I’ve never seen a more entitled group in my life. Clown show. Now they’re saying the award lost credibility and they won’t attend. It reminds me when they said the Madrid door doesn’t knock twice when Mbappe rejected them in 2022, then they opened their legs for him like a stripper this summer.

Rest assured the award will gain back its credibility when a Madrid player wins next time.

I don't necessarily agree with the hysteria. I stopped taking the Ballon D'or voting process seriously a long time ago. But the meme image of Yamal cradling an infant Vinicius during the coverage of the ceremony was highly unprofessional

I read some rumors that the boycott from Real Madrid is somehow related to some kind of rift between the club and UEFA, and I'm not sure if there's any truth to that - but the decision to ridicule a club during the coverage of the ceremony is pretty scandalous, regardless of whether or not it's considered funny.

I wouldn't normally take a stance like this when it comes to humor, but allowing for humor at the expense of a specific club opens up a can of worms, and is particularly controversial when it comes to a TV broadcast that's not traditionally associated with humor at all.

Highlight apart from Real non turn up as sore losers as usual, is Natalie Portman

So fun seeing all the usual bitterness from Real fans when they lose something? The bias is so clear as usual too. Never ends n thats why I love GL, blatant bias XD

Tbf non that Vini doesnt deserve it, but tbh hes too unlikable prolly, n has brought it onto himself pretty much

Rodri mentioned Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets who deserved to win it but didnt... man Im starting to like this guy more n more

Never paid attention or cared, but its non stop atm Ur not gonna earn respect n so these kinda awards if ur like this most games, Vini is done unless he changes...

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850970693325799860

Interesting to see how Real develops going forward cos Mbappe needs work n the midfield also... suddenly all isnt that well which is a big surprise cos I really thought they'd walk their way to trophies this season... what a week

Thimmy wrote:

Casciavit wrote:

Although seeing the Madrid media/fan/club meltdown has been hilarious. I’ve never seen a more entitled group in my life. Clown show. Now they’re saying the award lost credibility and they won’t attend. It reminds me when they said the Madrid door doesn’t knock twice when Mbappe rejected them in 2022, then they opened their legs for him like a stripper this summer.

Rest assured the award will gain back its credibility when a Madrid player wins next time.

I don't necessarily agree with the hysteria. I stopped taking the Ballon D'or voting process seriously a long time ago. But the meme image of Yamal cradling an infant Vinicius during the coverage of the ceremony was highly unprofessional

I read some rumors that the boycott from Real Madrid is somehow related to some kind of rift between the club and UEFA, and I'm not sure if there's any truth to that - but the decision to ridicule a club during the coverage of the ceremony is pretty scandalous, regardless of whether or not it's considered funny.

I wouldn't normally take a stance like this when it comes to humor, but allowing for humor at the expense of a specific club opens up a can of worms, and is particularly controversial when it comes to a TV broadcast that's not traditionally associated with humor at all.

There was a lot of fake news going on in the aftermath after the Vinicius didn't win leak. You had Madrid fans making up quotes about players like Figo saying it was rigged. Figo had to go on twitter during the ceremony to threaten to sue some fan account with 1.5M followers to bring it down.

As far as I'm aware, L'Equipe's stream was the one who made fun of Vini. Are they the official France Football streaming service?

If they're, then it's obviously not correct. However, knowing French people and their humour, it's not surprising to me in the slightest. If you're going to act like a petulant crybaby and not attend, then them insulting you in the build-up after it was well known you weren't attending is not egregious to me. They have a stupid sense of humour. Anyone else remember when they told the first female Ballon d'or winner to twerk?

Casciavit wrote: Anyone else remember when they told the first female Ballon d'or winner to twerk?

I remember. It was highly publicized here since the winner was Norwegian.

Yeah, L'equipe is the broadcaster, but the responsibility ultimately falls to France Football for allowing it to happen. It's not the end of the world, I don't even know if most people care about it, but it is highly unprofessional. If they create a tradition of targeting a specific club with that kind of "banter", it's only a matter of time before it goes wrong.

Casciavit wrote:
Rodri is the most influential CDM since Pirlo and he doesn’t have runners holding his hand defensively. The amount of creative responsibility he takes is unreal. 12G and 14A from a CDM who is not on set pieces. He scores clutch goals all the time too. City look like a 10x better team with him.

Madrid PR has done its best to disparage Rodri's victory and belittle him despite him doing it for both club and country unlike Vinicus

Myesyats wrote:

Casciavit wrote:
Rodri is the most influential CDM since Pirlo and he doesn’t have runners holding his hand defensively. The amount of creative responsibility he takes is unreal. 12G and 14A from a CDM who is not on set pieces. He scores clutch goals all the time too. City look like a 10x better team with him.

Madrid PR has done its best to disparage Rodri's victory and belittle him despite him doing it for both club and country unlike Vinicus

Bruh if we actually had a PR as good as City they would have given the award to Vinicius

Success breeds hatred and Madrid is pretty much hated in the footballing world, you can see from online comments in r/soccer and other forums.

farfan wrote:I brought up stats for the best player in the EPL question. You made it sound like there is some type of consensus among EPL fans that Rodri is the best player, which implies he's head and shoulders above the rest. I simply reiterated that neither fans (including City's), the media, nor the individual stats agree with this assessment.

The bias argument can be made against you as well. Hell most Barça fans aren't even bothering making the case for Rodri, they're just celebrating a Madrid player that they hate not winning it

I think I've been pretty consistent regarding these sort of players that hipsters try to shove down our throats every few years or so. I was on this very site arguing against Jorginho's BO campaign three years ago and I bet you were as well. But now that the choice is between a Pep player and a Madrid player....

You can, but I have no issue proclaiming a Madrid player being the best if that was the case.I fully acknowledge Benzema winning the BdO even when people bought up his legal case in trying to discredit him with that award, I've always stood my ground that I'll judge players and managers based off what they achieve on the pitch rather then personal life which is entirely a different topic.

Vini played 22 La Liga games and wasn't Madrid best player it was Bellingham in the league. Up until Feb everyone was backing Bellingham as Ballon DOr winner, his 2 months form largely in CL doesn't mean he deserve Ballon DOr, he won the UEFA Player of the Season and if they still award in likelyhood UEFA Men Player of the Year too.

I don't know why its hard to believe people don't find him the best in the world in that season based off 2 season even when he was being outshined by his own teammate for a big part of it. He isn't this guranteed winner I believe you all make him out to be. Literally he was the best player in the UEFA CL and won the award for that, he wasn't the best in La Liga, nor in Copa America. He domianted one tournment doesn't mean he was the best overall, even if you disagree with Rodri winning it, Vini wouldn't have been any better of a winner imo since to me neither was a clear winner, so it didn't matter who won. I went with Rodri because based off of my own reason as I stated above I felt he had a strong chance to get it this season.

Ancelotti coach of the year
Madrid team of the year
Lunin 3rd in Yashin award
Guler 2nd in Kopa award
Mbappe with mueller trophy
3 madrid players in top4 of B'dor

None of these picks were controversial bar one?
Yet nobody from Madrid delegation showed up.
No respect even for own players

Vote splitting theory was correct btw

That’s what I was saying from the beginning

No agenda behind it, just big maths, all that whining is for nothing which is why Vinis tweet is the more deranged

Winter is Coming wrote:

farfan wrote:I brought up stats for the best player in the EPL question. You made it sound like there is some type of consensus among EPL fans that Rodri is the best player, which implies he's head and shoulders above the rest. I simply reiterated that neither fans (including City's), the media, nor the individual stats agree with this assessment.

The bias argument can be made against you as well. Hell most Barça fans aren't even bothering making the case for Rodri, they're just celebrating a Madrid player that they hate not winning it

I think I've been pretty consistent regarding these sort of players that hipsters try to shove down our throats every few years or so. I was on this very site arguing against Jorginho's BO campaign three years ago and I bet you were as well. But now that the choice is between a Pep player and a Madrid player....

You can, but I have no issue proclaiming a Madrid player being the best if that was the case.I fully acknowledge Benzema winning the BdO even when people bought up his legal case in trying to discredit him with that award, I've always stood my ground that I'll judge players and managers based off what they achieve on the pitch rather then personal life which is entirely a different topic.

Vini played 22 La Liga games and wasn't Madrid best player it was Bellingham in the league. Up until Feb everyone was backing Bellingham as Ballon DOr winner, his 2 months form largely in CL doesn't mean he deserve Ballon DOr, he won the UEFA Player of the Season and if they still award in likelyhood UEFA Men Player of the Year too.

I don't know why its hard to believe people don't find him the best in the world in that season based off 2 season even when he was being outshined by his own teammate for a big part of it. He isn't this guranteed winner I believe you all make him out to be. Literally he was the best player in the UEFA CL and won the award for that, he wasn't the best in La Liga, nor in Copa America. He domianted one tournment doesn't mean he was the best overall, even if you disagree with Rodri winning it, Vini wouldn't have been any better of a winner imo.

Benzema had virtually no competition that year so it's not like your biases were being tested all that much. Also Benz wasn't really that hated and even Barça fans don't seem to mind him. Vini is pretty unlikable at times and is very hard to root for if you don't have an affinity for Madrid or Brazil

The two months you're talking about are the most critical part of the season and it's what historically sealed the award for players. Going missing in these two months is what took Haaland out of the race in 2023 despite winning the treble and scoring 52 goals in 53 games. Some players needed less than that to emerge as favorites for the award. R9 needed just one summer tournament to secure the 2002 BO after missing most of that year. We can't just talk about "two months" as if it's some random time of the season when it's the series of matches that secured a League-CL double.

BarcaLearning wrote:Highlight apart from Real non turn up as sore losers as usual, is Natalie Portman

Legend

Natalie Portman recordando los 4 goles del Barça al Real Madrid. Cine pic.twitter.com/G6CaQ4yDgH

— Zona Blaugrana (@Zona_Blaugrana) October 28, 2024

Completely unrelated, but Olmo looks like a serial killer to me with that new hairstyle. I can't unsee it now

Glad even the media is crucifying Real "Best club in the world" my a$$ cos not suppose act like such sore losers XD

First time a Man C player wins it... kinda feels like making up finally a bit

farfan wrote:Benzema had virtually no competition that year so it's not like your biases were being tested all that much. Also Benz wasn't really that hated and even Barça fans don't seem to mind him. Vini is pretty unlikable at times and is very hard to root for if you don't have an affinity for Madrid or Brazil

The two months you're talking about are the most critical part of the season and it's what historically sealed the award for players. Going missing in these two months is what took Haaland out of the race in 2023 despite winning the treble and scoring 52 goals in 53 games. Some players needed less than that to emerge as favorites for the award. R9 needed just one summer tournament to secure the 2002 BO after missing most of that year. We can't just talk about "two months" as if it's some random time of the season when it's the series of matches that secured a League-CL double.

You'd be surprised how anyone would make excuses on X winning something. People still claim he was one of the worst winners, no real competition, etc you should know at this point sports fans can make any excuses to discredit someone winning anything. I do agree that Vini does hold more hate, but this shouldn't surprise you. If he played for us and acted this way you all would hate him too.

Oh we both know Haaland lost because of Messi winning the world cup, this was his last dance type of things and he got lots of sympathy votes. I love Messi, but I still believe Haaland should've won the Ballon D'or compared to Messi winning it over the course of 6-7 games. I gurantee you, Messi still wins it even if Haaland scored a hattrick in the final of the CL, Haaland may have scored a few extra points, but would still lose out.

I can respect you may feel that 2 months was more important, but this has always been an entire season award for me and I feel the voting took this into consideration as well. WC is an exception to the norm, having a dominating performance in the WC far outweights a dominating performance in the CL, Euro or Copa. Saying the final 2 months only matter compared to x player has been performing well and keep his team into the competition throughout a season is crazy to me. Haaland literally was solid for City for 80-90% of that season. I feel the City approach in those finals also didn't do him any favours, Pep has become more pragamatic in these bigger games, which we see his team creativity suffer and they barely play at times to Haaland strength espeically since Pep pragmatism is around control rather than solely defence. If your not trying to play on counter and utlizing his pace and positioning, he's going to struggle lol

Anyways this is just my take on why I don't see the issue with Rodri winning it. I have no hate for Vini despite being a Barca fan, I just don't buy him being this undisputed best player last season when his performance was laregly in the CL, which he won the UEFA best player of the year, that doesn't mean he automatically deserve to be crowned as BdO. In reality you can make a case for all 3, just as much as one can make a case against. I have made my case for Rodri, you've made it against him. I made my case against Vini you made it for him. This convo won't go anywhere, at the end the award has been given and us going back and forth isn't going to change it and I feel neither of us will change our minds either.

All good points, but I truly think Haaland was in the race until the end of that season. By the time the voting closed the WC was almost a year behind us and Messi has moved to the MLS after stinking it up in the CL with PSG. Other contenders had plenty of time to shake up the narrative.

Haaland could have put an exclamation point on his season by destroying Madrid in the semis and scoring in the final. Instead he was a passenger in these matches and the fickle voters saw no reason to budge from the year-long favorite (Messi).

Rough week for farfarce and the rest of the Real Madrid crew

I'm here for the butthurt and the tears

Pedram wrote:

Vote splitting theory was correct btw

Didn't Dani finish 4th?

S wrote:Rough week for farfarce and the rest of the Real Madrid crew

I'm here for the butthurt and the tears

Lmao you support juve. Don't get it twisted, we'll never be as downbad as you guys lol

Straight up robbery.

This one had to go to Bellingham.

I honestly have no idea why are Madrid so butthurt about Vini, he even got a bump from 3rd to 2nd.

Yawn.

As I've said previously, even when Vini was the projected winner, Balon d'Or is by design... BS. A guilty pleasure.

I don't care for "humiliation" talks, I don't feel that, only thing I do think about is that I hope Vini and his entourage use this as an opportunity to strengthen Vini's mentality, strengthen his support network, and as an opportunity to further refine his priorities (i.e. focus++ on team trophies). This can do us well as an institution and fan base. Further open our eyes to priorities.

I think any outage from Vini, the club, or fans mainly comes more from a sense that there may be "corrupt" bias, manipulation, and pulling of strings behind the scenes that has influenced the result, all this coming about from dense political/propaganda reasons.

Spilt milk under the bridge.

*Flips page.