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Post by Nishankly Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:02 am

@El Gunner wrote:
Why can't you say the same for other teams then?
because no other team came off the level which Liverpool were playing at for 3 years, they were always bound to drop off, it's simple human biology

Chelsea just scored a whole 3 goals today without Lukaku scoring, Jorginho didn't even have one of his best games. I couldn't be bothered with United, they don't have the midfield to last the entire season, and i can't stand their refereeing bias.


Sure lets see the drop off, Klopp has always been shit between Jan to March with every Liverpool squad, assuming you do already see the drop off outside that then okay, something to look forward too.

Looking at your own posts, a whole season Tuchel and a fit LFC squad would have taken that strikerless City to the ropes for the title last season, especially considering LFC averaged 98 points per season until they lost most players through injury. but yeah you make a statement on human biology and lets see how that goes in terms of injuries for the LFC team and not titles.

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Post by Helmer Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:28 am

El Gunner has a point which is valid but a holistic perspective is missing there.
1. Salah has rarely missed games for Liverpool and even when he was missing, Klopp manages to find solutions and win games. 2. I guess it was the CL and EPL winning seasons. In both these seasons, Salah did have a patch of 6 to 9 games where he was not at the top of his usual game and Liverpool managed wo win trophies in both those seasons. 3. On on his worst day, Salah lays assists or acts as a playmaker. 4. Not going to happen in the wildest of dreams, but Liverpool might sign someone in the Jan window ... let's say 0.1% chance which is equal to Salah getting injured or Salah hitting a bad patch of form.

The main issue for Liverpool will be AFCON which is between 9th Jan to 6th Feb. Salah, Mane and Keita will be missing. I guess this could be a bigger blow in terms of Liverpool blowing away the title race compared to Salah alone being missing.

If Klopp is able to rotate squad, somehow keep VVD, Fabinho and whole of Liverpool's midfield intact throughout the season and still 1 or 2 points away from 1st place; Liverpool will be in the title race till the end. Otherwise, I would say Jan onwards Klopp has to prioritize top 4 or some other competition whichever we have a chance to win.

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Post by El Gunner Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:34 am

@Helmer wrote:1. Salah has rarely missed games for Liverpool and even when he was missing, Klopp manages to find solutions and win games. 2. I guess it was the CL and EPL winning seasons. In both these seasons, Salah did have a patch of 6 to 9 games where he was not at the top of his usual game and Liverpool managed wo win trophies in both those seasons.
only difference then is that there was a reasonably good argument to be made that Mane was your best player at the time... now? Not so much.
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Post by Helmer Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:03 pm

Mane played his best game against Palace in the last few months including the last season. Mane has seen dip in his form and he has slowly started doing everything right again this season but somehow not able to convert his chances.Hopefully he will get to that consistency very soon.

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Post by Sina Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:17 pm

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Post by El Gunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:19 pm

fixture scheduling has been horrendous these days
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:56 pm

Amazing how Tuchel transformed from being a tactically naive coach into one of the best out there. Great learner.

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Post by Casciavit Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:04 pm

Tuchel has sold his soul to the devil with these cattenacio displays smh.
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Post by Casciavit Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:10 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Amazing how Tuchel transformed from being a tactically naive coach into one of the best out there. Great learner.



He cracked the formula. He has his teams build up and have the positional play of a Pep team and they defend like a Mourinho or Simeone team. I think they defend even uglier than those two did. This 5-4-1/5-3-2 is disgusting.
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Post by El Gunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:16 pm

Tuchel is so anti-football vs Pep it's beyond borrrring
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:27 pm

@Casciavit wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:Amazing how Tuchel transformed from being a tactically naive coach into one of the best out there. Great learner.



He cracked the formula. He has his teams build up and have the positional play of a Pep team and they defend like a Mourinho or Simeone team. I think they defend even uglier than those two did. This 5-4-1/5-3-2 is disgusting.


Pretty much. You rarely ever see managers change their philosophy to this extent. Carlo is still playing the same system he did back in the 90s but Tuchel went from believing in free flowing attacking football into becoming the next Sacchi.

This is why Chelsea will probably win the PL with less than 20 goals conceded all season.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:35 pm

@Casciavit wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:Amazing how Tuchel transformed from being a tactically naive coach into one of the best out there. Great learner.



He cracked the formula. He has his teams build up and have the positional play of a Pep team and they defend like a Mourinho or Simeone team. I think they defend even uglier than those two did. This 5-4-1/5-3-2 is disgusting.


Meh. When all is said and done, the best defensive coach out there is Pep, noone else. Tuchel is just a a tee-totaling van Gaal.
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Post by Casciavit Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:37 pm

@El Gunner wrote:Tuchel is so anti-football vs Pep it's beyond borrrring


The European champions are playing like Burnley at home. You hate to see it.
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Post by Casciavit Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:41 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:
@Casciavit wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:Amazing how Tuchel transformed from being a tactically naive coach into one of the best out there. Great learner.



He cracked the formula. He has his teams build up and have the positional play of a Pep team and they defend like a Mourinho or Simeone team. I think they defend even uglier than those two did. This 5-4-1/5-3-2 is disgusting.


Meh. When all is said and done, the best defensive coach out there is Pep, noone else. Tuchel is just a a tee-totaling van Gaal.


They are having one of their best pressing displays ever today tbh.

Though Pep's teams defend a little different. It's more based on ball retention, pressing, and dealing with transitions. If you can pin them back they look shaky as rare as pinning them back is.

When it comes to traditional low block defending this Chelsea side is a wall. Laughing
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Post by Casciavit Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:42 pm

And that's the only way you can score against a bus like that. Through deflected flukey goals.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:43 pm

well deserved 1-0

Tuchel playing a 5-3-2 with 4 1/2 proper defenders and the three being Kante-Jorginho-Kovacic, then the concrete wall feet Werner and Lukaku upfront, no wonder they don't create anything and can't get on the ball to save their lives

horrible lineup
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:56 pm

Meanwhile United look toothless against Villa. Villa arguably the better team tbh.

Proper dross football.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:58 pm

I honestly think that adding Lukaku has been detrimental to Chelsea's team play
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:19 pm

Villa nick it in the 88th min. Deserved tbh. Lost to them and Young Boys in the dying minutes in the last 2 weeks.

OLE OUT.
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:21 pm

nvm, mike dean to the rescue

90th min penalty

pls Bruno
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:23 pm

Bruno misses

nightmare 90 minutes
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Post by RealGunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:23 pm

Why didn't Ronaldo take it lol?
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Post by Kaladin Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:28 pm

Cant believe i touted United to contend for the title
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:29 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Why didn't Ronaldo take it lol?


Surely the last time Ronaldo will leave this important task to anyone else
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Post by El Gunner Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:31 pm

@Firenze wrote:nvm, mike dean to the rescue

90th min penalty

pls Bruno
@Firenze wrote:Bruno misses

nightmare 90 minutes

rofl
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Post by Firenze Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:34 pm

@Kaladin wrote:Cant believe i touted United to contend for the title


imagine thinking any team with a pivot of Fred - Mctominumpty would contend for any trophies rofl
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