Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 3

[Babun]

@Nishankly
No second wave except for Belgium maybe. The testing rate is higher during the holiday season, more cases are found but the increase isn't exponential = under control. We can also cope with 4000 per day as long as the growth stays linear.
In South Asia, lots of people die without getting to the hospitals because there's no room or they've got no money. Some of the poorest can't afford proper nutrition to have a favourable outcome. Infrastructure is breaking down, people die due to Wuhan virus economically induced problems.
What i want to say mortality rate isn't a fixed number for every outbreak point. It'll be different in the US, EU, Asia or South America and even very different among the countries there. We can talk about the mean mortality rate with huge outliers or about local mortality rate which is much more useful for planning.

[M99]

Fucking Sturgis Rally is going ahead with scant precautions. 250000 people, most of them not wearing masks. Fkin bikers

[Nishankly]

@Nishankly
No second wave except for Belgium maybe. The testing rate is higher during the holiday season, more cases are found but the increase isn't exponential = under control. We can also cope with 4000 per day as long as the growth stays linear.
In South Asia, lots of people die without getting to the hospitals because there's no room or they've got no money. Some of the poorest can't afford proper nutrition to have a favourable outcome. Infrastructure is breaking down, people die due to Wuhan virus economically induced problems.
What i want to say mortality rate isn't a fixed number for every outbreak point. It'll be different in the US, EU, Asia or South America and even very different among the countries there. We can talk about the mean mortality rate with huge outliers or about local mortality rate which is much more useful for planning.

Yet the death tolls and mortality rates are the highest in the West where hospitals are being overrun where as poor countries in Asia with no infrastructure have it under control.

[Babun]

@Nishankly
No second wave except for Belgium maybe. The testing rate is higher during the holiday season, more cases are found but the increase isn't exponential = under control. We can also cope with 4000 per day as long as the growth stays linear.
In South Asia, lots of people die without getting to the hospitals because there's no room or they've got no money. Some of the poorest can't afford proper nutrition to have a favourable outcome. Infrastructure is breaking down, people die due to Wuhan virus economically induced problems.
What i want to say mortality rate isn't a fixed number for every outbreak point. It'll be different in the US, EU, Asia or South America and even very different among the countries there. We can talk about the mean mortality rate with huge outliers or about local mortality rate which is much more useful for planning.

Yet the death tolls and mortality rates are the highest in the West where hospitals are being overrun where as poor countries in Asia with no infrastructure have it under control.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-italians-covid-north.html

Same with France and Belgium but not Germany, what you see in the worldmeter is as the counting started when the pandemic was discovered. There're 250000 infected in total for Italy in worldometer which is bullshit (more like 2 million+)
The overall mortality in EU is indeed higher because of the general older population but not for counting statistics through worldometer reasons. Wuhan virus showed something interesting though, beeing obese is indeed unhealthy (I'm looking at US and UK).

Lots of countries in Asia have got limited testing capacity. They don't waste their tests on already dead people to confirm whether they died of the Wuhan virus or not.

[BarrileteCosmico]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/why-britain-failed-coronavirus-pandemic/615166/

Great article on how the UK handled corona

[Babun]

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/08/why-britain-failed-coronavirus-pandemic/615166/

Great article on how the UK handled corona

3.4 million UK citizens have had the Wuhan virus. CFR = 41347/3400000*100% = 1.22%. The highest prevalence of the anitbodies is in London.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-13/mass-antibody-study-finds-3-4-million-in-england-had-covid-19

[Myesyats]

Guy refuses to wear a mask and gets hit by a sausage

[FennecFox7]

[CBarca]

That kick in the back where the dude ends up falling and landing on his stomach is an amazing self own

Probably hurt quite a bit and you can tell he didn't get good contact at all. It was more of a tap on "sausage dude"s back more than anything

[VivaStPauli]

Guy refuses to wear a mask and gets hit by a sausage

I love every single thing about this.

[Myesyats]

I love how he only bought the sausage too and nothing else. It's like a perfect storm.

[BarrileteCosmico]

Wuhan coronavirus: From silent streets to packed pools

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511

This is crazy, and also makes me envious AF

[Babun]

The situation in Europe is about to escalate. If there're no restrictions in place the second wave will arrive very soon.

[Art Morte]

The second wave is already going on, imo. Now we just wait and see how high it goes.

There won't be much appetite for more full-on lockdowns, so we'll see how countries react to this.

[iftikhar]

The second wave is already going on, imo. Now we just wait and see how high it goes.

There won't be much appetite for more full-on lockdowns, so we'll see how countries react to this.

I think localized lockdown should be effective enough, if enforced properly.

[rincon]

We entered the second wave in Belgium a while back and measures restarted gradually to counter it.

It seems to have worked. As much as it sucks, its proving to be effective. Wearing masks everywhere, reduced social bubble, writing down information when you go into restaurants or cafes for contact tracing, contactless everything, etc.

The second wave looks much smaller than the first here.

[BarrileteCosmico]

The second wave is already going on, imo. Now we just wait and see how high it goes.

There won't be much appetite for more full-on lockdowns, so we'll see how countries react to this.

With proper policies there is no need for full-on lockdowns. Social distancing (including limiting social gatherings), mandatory mask wearing, contact tracing, remote work where applicable and fast & available testing is enough. But these things require a certain amount of public responsibility, in societies with little civic spirit (Argentina, USA for 2 quick examples) this fails, and then we have to talk about lockdowns unfortunately.

[CBarca]

We entered the second wave in Belgium a while back and measures restarted gradually to counter it.

It seems to have worked. As much as it sucks, its proving to be effective. Wearing masks everywhere, reduced social bubble, writing down information when you go into restaurants or cafes for contact tracing, contactless everything, etc.

The second wave looks much smaller than the first here.

You and BC are right on. While it may not be enough to eliminate the virus, some common sense measures like those you and BC have mentioned slow the spread enough to keep it "under control".

I think we're a lot smarter than we were in March when no one knew anything. Although the elephant in the room is, with winter coming (and cold and flu season with it), are these measures enough?

I think they're enough right now, but it's an open question for what the fall and winter bring.

[RealGunner]

Hong Kong reports 'first case' of virus reinfection

Hong Kong scientists are reporting the case of a healthy man in his 30s who became reinfected with coronavirus four and a half months after his first bout.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53889823

[BarrileteCosmico]

I'm sure the scientists know better, but my understanding is that PCP tests will still show positive even when the virus is dead and no longer contagious since it still finds trace amounts of RNA to match. Given that he was asymptomatic the 2nd time, this seems like it might be the case.

[Babun]

I'm sure the scientists know better, but my understanding is that PCP tests will still show positive even when the virus is dead and no longer contagious since it still finds trace amounts of RNA to match. Given that he was asymptomatic the 2nd time, this seems like it might be the case.

RG's source omitted an important detail: they proved he was reinfected by a different strain.

His reinfection was reported following a trip to Spain, with a second set of virus being closely matched to a COVID-19 strain common in Europe during the last 2 months.

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/first-covid-19-reinfection-case-hong-kong

There're two new proven reinfections in Holland and Belgium. In case of the patient in Belgium, the antibodies from the first infection didn't help at all even though they're present in the blood plasma sample (not just PCR test positive).

Belgian case 'not good news'
The Belgian patient displayed only mild symptoms, NOS reported, citing virologist Marc Van Ranst. "It’s not good news," Ranst said.
The development shows that the antibodies the patient developed in the first case were not strong enough to fend off an infection from a slightly different variant of the virus, he said.
It is not clear if this is a rare phenomenon or if there are "many more people who could have a reinfection after six or seven months," he said.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-reinfections-confirmed-in-the-netherlands-belgium/a-54688064


A study fom Frankfurt:

Myocardial inflammation occurred to almost the same degree in those who recovered at home as those who were hospitalised. Patients were affected regardless of their previous health history or how healthy they were prior to contracting COVID-19. All of the patients involved in the study were aged between 45 and 53.Frankfurt study reveals heart damage remains in majority of corona patients

https://www.iamexpat.de/expat-info/german-expat-news/frankfurt-study-reveals-heart-damage-remains-majority-corona-patients

Also, there was a study which proved a cardiac inflammation can happen months after a Wuhan virus infection. I'll find the source later..

[Jay29]

It's concerning but we need more data to draw any conclusions. We've seen one case where immunity to one strain didn't matter for a second strain, but another case where it did and resulted in no symptoms.

[VivaStPauli]

I mean the guy barely had any symptoms, so he was sadly, a carrier, but it wasn't dangerous to him apparently, also it was one proven case during millions of infections, we can probably all just wait a bit and see, if this a .000001% thing, then, meh.
This nightmare might not get more nightmare-ish.

[Babun]

Les baguettes don't have it under control anymore. The second outbreak is happening now. Ger and Italy are on the verge but still under control.

[guest_07]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/21928/approval-ratings-national-covid-19-responses/

[Warrior]

Vibe has posted recently ? He's on the frontline

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