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Post by Pedram Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:57 am

Imagine thinking anything that David Brooks writes is a must-read.

@Myesyats no offense bro but you really need to change people who you look up to as source of opinions and information, Bill Maher and now Brooks? Laughing

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Post by Myesyats Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:09 am

David Brooks is not the author of this text, please inform yourself before poking fun

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:09 pm

Anne Applebbaum is the epitome of the bad, intellectually ostentatious yet lazy, pseudo-accomplished yet astonishingly ignorant way journalism, think tank activism and academia are mated in the US establishment.

Don't need to read it to know it's trash, her writings are trash.

US elite universities breed turbo-pseudo-smart, high-functioning morons.

No idea why exactly. Think it's because of money. The affluence that is involved in all of it, lifestyle, sociocultural circles, tuition, facilities, career aspirations, free market collaboration, grants, think tank funds, even student loan debt.


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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:18 pm

@McLewis wrote:That was a rather disappointing read honestly.

It read as apologia for all who have been been held accountable for shitty things they've said and done.

The writer leaned far too into the slippery slope narrative. For me, people are being held accountable by HR departments and the court of public opinion specifically because the court of law can't. When shitty things are said and done, ways will be found to ensure accountability occurs, even outside of established law.


I think that's all good and desirable. But there are definitely instances where this is taken too far (ex the hispanic truck driver that got fired for making what someone on twitter thought was a white power sign), and sometimes the sentence doesn't meet the crime.

Should an entire career be ruined for a bad comment? In some instances, for sure. In some others, it's harder to make the case, but it happens anyways. Fact is when the only court is the court of public opinion then the only sentences are bound to be inconsistent and arbitrary.

Short of regulating speech I'm not sure what the way out is though, and in that case the medicine might be worse than the crime.
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Post by El Gunner Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:06 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Anne Applebbaum is the epitome of the bad, intellectually ostentatious yet lazy, pseudo-accomplished yet astonishingly ignorant way journalism, think tank activism and academia are mated in the US establishment.

Don't need to read it to know it's trash, her writings are trash.

US elite universities breed turbo-pseudo-smart, high-functioning morons.

No idea why exactly. Think it's because of money. The affluence that is involved in all of it, lifestyle, sociocultural circles, tuition, facilities, career aspirations, free market collaboration, grants, think tank funds, even student loan debt.

it's not just the US, but every Western-influenced culture of academia at large... it's postmodernism at its uttermost scrutiny and finest.

simply put, my dear German friend, within the last 10 years or so we've entered our first digital information dark age of society

HP Lovecraft once said, "The most merciful thing in the world, i think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live in a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity. And it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little... but some day the piercing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our own frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
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Post by Myesyats Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:36 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Anne Applebbaum is the epitome of the bad, intellectually ostentatious yet lazy, pseudo-accomplished yet astonishingly ignorant way journalism, think tank activism and academia are mated in the US establishment.

Don't need to read it to know it's trash, her writings are trash.

US elite universities breed turbo-pseudo-smart, high-functioning morons.

No idea why exactly. Think it's because of money. The affluence that is involved in all of it, lifestyle, sociocultural circles, tuition, facilities, career aspirations, free market collaboration, grants, think tank funds, even student loan debt.

you're an ass Laughing

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Post by McLewis Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:30 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@McLewis wrote:That was a rather disappointing read honestly.

It read as apologia for all who have been been held accountable for shitty things they've said and done.

The writer leaned far too into the slippery slope narrative. For me, people are being held accountable by HR departments and the court of public opinion specifically because the court of law can't. When shitty things are said and done, ways will be found to ensure accountability occurs, even outside of established law.


I think that's all good and desirable. But there are definitely instances where this is taken too far (ex the hispanic truck driver that got fired for making what someone on twitter thought was a white power sign), and sometimes the sentence doesn't meet the crime.

Should an entire career be ruined for a bad comment? In some instances, for sure. In some others, it's harder to make the case, but it happens anyways. Fact is when the only court is the court of public opinion then the only sentences are bound to be inconsistent and arbitrary.

Short of regulating speech I'm not sure what the way out is though, and in that case the medicine might be worse than the crime.


Sure. Context should be taken into account. Often, all that is required to do so is to read beyond the headline. Not enough people do that, but when those of us that do read beyond headline share that context, the tune often changes. As it should be.

Depends on the severity of what was said and done. And, of course, the context in which those things were said and done. The irony to me is that the court of public opinion has the platform it has today BECAUSE the court of law can't or won't hold people accountable yet, just like the court of law, the court of public opinion gets it wrong too. It shows that no court is perfect.

I don't know the answer either. I just know if someone says or does something awful and the court of law can't hold them accountable for it, the default shouldn't be that no one will.
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