Political Correctness, LGBTQ, #meToo and other related topics

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Anne Applebbaum is the epitome of the bad, intellectually ostentatious yet lazy, pseudo-accomplished yet astonishingly ignorant way journalism, think tank activism and academia are mated in the US establishment.

Don't need to read it to know it's trash, her writings are trash.

US elite universities breed turbo-pseudo-smart, high-functioning morons.

No idea why exactly. Think it's because of money. The affluence that is involved in all of it, lifestyle, sociocultural circles, tuition, facilities, career aspirations, free market collaboration, grants, think tank funds, even student loan debt.

McLewis wrote:That was a rather disappointing read honestly.

It read as apologia for all who have been been held accountable for shitty things they've said and done.

The writer leaned far too into the slippery slope narrative. For me, people are being held accountable by HR departments and the court of public opinion specifically because the court of law can't. When shitty things are said and done, ways will be found to ensure accountability occurs, even outside of established law.

I think that's all good and desirable. But there are definitely instances where this is taken too far (ex the hispanic truck driver that got fired for making what someone on twitter thought was a white power sign), and sometimes the sentence doesn't meet the crime.

Should an entire career be ruined for a bad comment? In some instances, for sure. In some others, it's harder to make the case, but it happens anyways. Fact is when the only court is the court of public opinion then the only sentences are bound to be inconsistent and arbitrary.

Short of regulating speech I'm not sure what the way out is though, and in that case the medicine might be worse than the crime.

Hapless_Hans wrote:Anne Applebbaum is the epitome of the bad, intellectually ostentatious yet lazy, pseudo-accomplished yet astonishingly ignorant way journalism, think tank activism and academia are mated in the US establishment.

Don't need to read it to know it's trash, her writings are trash.

US elite universities breed turbo-pseudo-smart, high-functioning morons.

No idea why exactly. Think it's because of money. The affluence that is involved in all of it, lifestyle, sociocultural circles, tuition, facilities, career aspirations, free market collaboration, grants, think tank funds, even student loan debt.

you're an ass

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

McLewis wrote:That was a rather disappointing read honestly.

It read as apologia for all who have been been held accountable for shitty things they've said and done.

The writer leaned far too into the slippery slope narrative. For me, people are being held accountable by HR departments and the court of public opinion specifically because the court of law can't. When shitty things are said and done, ways will be found to ensure accountability occurs, even outside of established law.

I think that's all good and desirable. But there are definitely instances where this is taken too far (ex the hispanic truck driver that got fired for making what someone on twitter thought was a white power sign), and sometimes the sentence doesn't meet the crime.

Should an entire career be ruined for a bad comment? In some instances, for sure. In some others, it's harder to make the case, but it happens anyways. Fact is when the only court is the court of public opinion then the only sentences are bound to be inconsistent and arbitrary.

Short of regulating speech I'm not sure what the way out is though, and in that case the medicine might be worse than the crime.

Sure. Context should be taken into account. Often, all that is required to do so is to read beyond the headline. Not enough people do that, but when those of us that do read beyond headline share that context, the tune often changes. As it should be.

Depends on the severity of what was said and done. And, of course, the context in which those things were said and done. The irony to me is that the court of public opinion has the platform it has today BECAUSE the court of law can't or won't hold people accountable yet, just like the court of law, the court of public opinion gets it wrong too. It shows that no court is perfect.

I don't know the answer either. I just know if someone says or does something awful and the court of law can't hold them accountable for it, the default shouldn't be that no one will.

Guardian was my most read foreign paper. Not anymore.

She's a fascinating study on the ability to separate the artist's beliefs from their actual body of work.

There's a lot of people who oppose Rowling's TERFness, but absolutely love the Harry Potter universe. Observing them try to navigating that conundrum is interesting.

McLewis wrote:She's a fascinating study on the ability to separate the artist's beliefs from their actual body of work.

There's a lot of people who oppose Rowling's TERFness, but absolutely love the Harry Potter universe. Observing them try to navigating that conundrum is interesting.

This is how it should be. Throughout history there have been numerous philosophers, writers, artists with "bigoted" ideas. An intelligent person will be able to utilise or enjoy the work without agreeing with the creator, let alone having to idolise them.

I personally loved the Harry Potter books and couldn't care less about the writer herself. And that is not to say I necessarily disagree with her stance on the transgender issue. Just that the creator and the creation should be judged separately.

Adidas have released their women's swimsuit "Pride" collection for this year. And the woman model looks very brave and courageous

"Sapkowski was involved in the process and agreed to this so he must think it fits in his story"

The usual argument in response to things like this is getting weaker and weaker.

Myesyats wrote:"Sapkowski was involved in the process and agreed to this so he must think it fits in his story"

The usual argument in response to things like this is getting weaker and weaker.

Weren't you also on the Kool Aid bandwagon initially? As great as Sapkowski may be as a writer, I think it's been clear for a long time now that he prioritizes profit over everything else. Ahole even tried to demand more money from CDPR after he saw how successful the game was

Thimmy wrote:

Myesyats wrote:"Sapkowski was involved in the process and agreed to this so he must think it fits in his story"

The usual argument in response to things like this is getting weaker and weaker.

Weren't you also on the Kool Aid bandwagon initially? As great as Sapkowski may be as a writer, I think it's been clear for a long time now that he prioritizes profit over everything else. Ahole even tried to demand more money from CDPR after he saw how successful the game was

The kool aid what now?

The "I don't mind it, so everything's cooooool brah" bandwagon I might be mistaken, but I thought I recalled you being very happy with the cast, and didn't seem to mind the plot changes. You didn't seem too fussed about the authenticity or lackthereof, so why then is it a problem if they bring more politics creative freedom into it? Might as well finish what they started

Thimmy wrote:The "I don't mind it, so everything's cooooool brah" bandwagon I might be mistaken, but I thought I recalled you being very happy with the cast, and didn't seem to mind the plot changes. You didn't seem too fussed about the authenticity or lackthereof, so why then is it a problem if they bring more politics creative freedom into it? Might as well finish what they started

Well, iirc I said some things were fine and others weren't. I have not read the books so there's that. AFAIK most of the criticism did come from the bookworms. Some characters have grown on me as the plot evolved, some were a throwaway from the very beginning.

But there comes a point when there's too much intervention and shoving agendas down your throat when you least expect it is the last thing you want when enjoying your beloved Witcher.

And as far as Sapkowski is concerned, I knew from the beginning that he didnt agree to any of it yet some folks used that argument.

Sometimes I see stories from Sweden that make me think “wow that’s so bad it must be propaganda”, but then you check the sources and nope, it is that bad.
The basic pattern of the story is usually disgustingly violent rape + a disgusting under punishment by the authorities.
I mean what do you have to do get more than 10 years in prison in Sweden, cut a bitch’s head off while raping her? I’m sick of learning about a girl raped so violently her clothes are soaked in blood and then learning the perpetrators get 1 year if they’re an adult, or some community service if they’re 15 years old. It’s some upside down batshit version of a criminal justice system.
The only way I can make it make any sense is that Sweden was such a peaceful place that they literally forgot how to police and punish seriously violent crime, until immigration changed it, and now they’re stuck in a place where they can’t adapt to the new situation because of political correctness.
I don’t know if that’s what it is, but I’ve seen some research that immigrants are a majority of rape convicts in Sweden which is insane https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/

So right now my working theory is that Sweden had at one point virtually eradicated violence from its society and became very soft as a result, and now it is incapable of dealing with violent individuals, compounded by political correctness because of the inconvenience of most of the criminals being immigrants. Maybe if they just pretend all the criminals are native swedes that will help them to start policing them properly or something.

Sweden is that messed up?

I always imagined it as one of the best places in the world.

‘Segregation has been allowed to go so far that we have parallel societies’, says Magdalena Andersson. Failed integration of immigrants is fueling gang violence and crime, Swedish PM says

For a long time they didn't even acknowledge that issue.

I think most of Sweden is normal as before and life goes on as usual and might even be some of the best places in the world.
It’s just when you have success and privilege like that, you start to not take things like crime seriously. I’m not trying to say there’s rape on every street every day though.

Rape and pedophilia should be life sentence. In theory should be death penalty for such soulless act but there is always this risk of killing an innocent, while you can at least be compensated for wrongful conviction. What matters is to remove those people from society ASAP

About the swedish study posted above and similar things i read about other countries, my understanding is that refugees from Africa and Asia are more likely to commit rape than any other group. What i think has big influence is the women rights in their country/culture are far below swedish standards. As example when it comes to second generation of immigration born and raised in Sweden the % of rapists is quite low if not proportional.

The over representation is a very bad look but the entire community is not responsible for this, by all logic if you have a huge influx of people from whatever country there is also a decent influx of criminals that comes with it.

Well i hope the laxist justice is due to Sweden becoming soft as you said and soon they wake up. Hope it's not some bs manoeuver to avoid discussions regarding immigration as if the average joe from Africa and Asia would want rapists to get a free pass anyways