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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:06 pm

Anyways, nearly every article by a professional economist I've read claims his VAT will only cover about half of the 1k per month UBI promise. Any Yang Gang here care to explain where the other half would come from?

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Post by Unique on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:10 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Anyways, nearly every article by a professional economist I've read claims his VAT will only cover about half of the 1k per month UBI promise. Any Yang Gang here care to explain where the other half would come from?
betty will pay it thats why he mad. he told me he covers the health care cost of britain so he can afford this no problem. cheers

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:11 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
Yang has TWO full blooded Chinese Han parents. He is Chinese.


False.
Yang was born in the US.
He is American.

Citizenship is not genetic.


Of course it is. If I got my girlfriend pregnant right now our kid would be "American" despite the fact that she has never been anywhere near this country.

Also, the Han people, are a Chinese group. He is Chinese. His family immigrated to the Chinese Island before coming to America.
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Post by VivaStPauli on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:14 pm

And yet the law is that anyone born on American soil has a claim to American citizenship, no matter who their parents are.

Andrew Yang is just as American as Donald Trump or George Takei.

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:16 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.
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Post by Unique on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:17 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@VivaStPauli wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
Yang has TWO full blooded Chinese Han parents. He is Chinese.


False.
Yang was born in the US.
He is American.

Citizenship is not genetic.


Of course it is. If I got my girlfriend pregnant right now our kid would be "American" despite the fact that she has never been anywhere near this country.

Also, the Han people, are a Chinese group. He is Chinese. His family immigrated to the Chinese Island before coming to America.
if you got your girlfriend pregnant right now it would be a miracle. Laughing  but seriously i cant see how to can say you are american but this guy is not. he is the son of immigrants that was born in the USA and you are the son of immigrants born in the USA. so you are both the same


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Post by Unique on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:20 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.
thats like me saying i hate trump because hes white like me and people will think we are the same person because we are both white. i sometimes think you are a tad unstable tbh and thats no joke bro.

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:26 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:And yet the law is that anyone born on American soil has a claim to American citizenship, no matter who their parents are.

Andrew Yang is just as American as Donald Trump or George Takei.


And by virtue of his parents and his blood he is just as Chinese in makeup as the Queen Teresa Teng.

Dont know about that idiot Trump, but Takei has been VERY vocal about being proud of being of Yamato heritage. He's American, but he is Japanese.
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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:31 pm

@Unique wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@VivaStPauli wrote:


False.
Yang was born in the US.
He is American.

Citizenship is not genetic.


Of course it is. If I got my girlfriend pregnant right now our kid would be "American" despite the fact that she has never been anywhere near this country.

Also, the Han people, are a Chinese group. He is Chinese. His family immigrated to the Chinese Island before coming to America.
if you got your girlfriend pregnant right now it would be a miracle. Laughing  but seriously i cant see how to can say you are american but this guy is not. he is the son of immigrants that was born in the USA and you are the son of immigrants born in the USA. so you are both the same


My parents were born In California.

I am not saying he isnt American. He is obviously a citizen. He is also obviously a Chinese man.
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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:38 pm

@Unique wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.
thats like me saying i hate trump because hes white like me and people will think we are the same person because we are both white. i sometimes think you are a tad unstable tbh and thats no joke bro.


You dont understand because you have always been the majority, and never been under attack as a result.

Asians are viewed as other. If somebody is walking around saying "Fuck Chinese people" they arent going to see me, or my parents, and think:

"Welp you guys are cool because you are not Chinese"

They are going to view you as the same because you look the same the same as them. Thats why no distinction exists in the west, and thats what people dont understand. Like my girlfriend would be shocked when I showed her pictures of me in College and I would be in rooms with Just Chinese people. She can tell the difference, I can tell the difference, but she doesnt realize that in America where you are around other groups they cant tell a difference, and if they can, they dont make a distinction. You really think the average person sitting around when John McCain sat in front of a crowd and proclaimed "I hate the gooks" could tell the difference between me and somebody born in Vietnam on the street? And this man was running for president for a national party in an Election I was old enough to vote in, and I dont even consider myself an old man yet. Thats the reality.

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Post by VivaStPauli on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:38 pm

I get what heritage is. And I wouldn't have disagreed with you if you had called Yang Chinese-American, or American of Chinese heritage, or an American son of Chinese immigrants.

But you were flat-out like "no he's not American, he is Chinese", which is false, no matter how much you dislike the guy.

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:40 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:I get what heritage is. And I wouldn't have disagreed with you if you had called Yang Chinese-American, or American of Chinese heritage, or an American son of Chinese immigrants.

But you were flat-out like "no he's not American, he is Chinese", which is false, no matter how much you dislike the guy.


Where did I say he's not American?
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Post by Unique on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:11 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:

I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.
thats like me saying i hate trump because hes white like me and people will think we are the same person because we are both white. i sometimes think you are a tad unstable tbh and thats no joke bro.


You dont understand because you have always been the majority, and never been under attack as a result.

Asians are viewed as other. If somebody is walking around saying "Fuck Chinese people" they arent going to see me, or my parents, and think:

"Welp you guys are cool because you are not Chinese"

They are going to view you as the same because you look the same the same as them. Thats why no distinction exists in the west, and thats what people dont understand. Like my girlfriend would be shocked when I showed her pictures of me in College and I would be in rooms with Just Chinese people. She can tell the difference, I can tell the difference, but she doesnt realize that in America where you are around other groups they cant tell a difference, and if they can, they dont make a distinction. You really think the average person sitting around when John McCain sat in front of a crowd and proclaimed "I hate the gooks" could tell the difference between me and somebody born in Vietnam on the street? And this man was running for president for a national party in an Election I was old enough to vote in, and I dont even consider myself an old man yet. Thats the reality.

you spend to much time worrying about who likes you and how they see you thats why you are paranoid all the time. you cant hate a person because other people might think you are from the same part of the world as that person. you should think more like me and your life will be care free. if people dont like me then fuck em. if people have a problem with me then come see me and we can sort it out.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:46 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.

Re: math. Yeah agreed this is a stereotype he is fomenting. I can see why you would find that insulting.

Re: white birth rates. Sigh, we talked about this for a while a few pages back. I think you're fundamentally mistaken in how you are reading those tweets, but whatever, you can interpret those however wrongly you want.

Re: Trump. Yang actually has the most appeal to Trump voters from the democratic field. Seems to me that if your main concern is stopping Trump then you should be embracing him.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:48 pm

Also inheritance =/= citizenship. Citizenship is a legal definition that depends on each country. Unless Yang is a Chinese national he is not Chinese, same as Takei not holding a Japanese passport, etc. A feeling of belonging withing a certain national group is not citizenship.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:05 pm

Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?

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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:11 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.

Re: math. Yeah agreed this is a stereotype he is fomenting. I can see why you would find that insulting.

Re: white birth rates. Sigh, we talked about this for a while a few pages back. I think you're fundamentally mistaken in how you are reading those tweets, but whatever, you can interpret those however wrongly you want.

Re: Trump. Yang actually has the most appeal to Trump voters from the democratic field. Seems to me that if your main concern is stopping Trump then you should be embracing him.


Do you think when the average Trump person who tolerates Yang is alone in the voting booth that they will pull the lever for his Chinese ass over Trump? Over any white person not named Clinton or Warren?

They just as likely vote Johnson or whatever schlub the Libertarians put out there.
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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:13 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Also inheritance =/= citizenship. Citizenship is a legal definition that depends on each country. Unless Yang is a Chinese national he is not Chinese, same as Takei not holding a Japanese passport, etc. A feeling of belonging withing a certain national group is not citizenship.


Chinese-ism is more than just a citizenship though.

He's Chinese because he is. Same way Takei is Japanese because he is. Thats why we put the qualifiers before American. You dont lose your makeup in a melting pot.
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Post by Young Kaz on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:13 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?


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Post by Unique on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:19 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?
tbh that is another thing ive seen him worry about

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:29 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Also inheritance =/= citizenship. Citizenship is a legal definition that depends on each country. Unless Yang is a Chinese national he is not Chinese, same as Takei not holding a Japanese passport, etc. A feeling of belonging withing a certain national group is not citizenship.


Chinese-ism is more than just a citizenship though.

He's Chinese because he is. Same way Takei is Japanese because he is. Thats why we put the qualifiers before American. You dont lose your makeup in a melting pot.

That's actually a very interesting point that I've had some trouble understanding about US Americans and only now really noticed, as it's the inverse thing to how we (i.e. progressives in Germany) strife to handle the question of national identity here

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:00 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Also inheritance =/= citizenship. Citizenship is a legal definition that depends on each country. Unless Yang is a Chinese national he is not Chinese, same as Takei not holding a Japanese passport, etc. A feeling of belonging withing a certain national group is not citizenship.


Chinese-ism is more than just a citizenship though.

He's Chinese because he is. Same way Takei is Japanese because he is. Thats why we put the qualifiers before American. You dont lose your makeup in a melting pot.
i wonder if Chinese people would actually see it that way. I know of a girl who is the daughter of argentine immigrants in the US and calls herself Argentine. Yet she speaks spanish with an accent, hasn't studied the history, hasn't lived there for any time longer than a summer, etc. When she tells people back home she is argentine they correct her and tell her she is not...

I imagine the same would be true for the likes of Yang and Takei.

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Post by rincon on Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:08 pm

In all seriousness, @Betty if you haven't yet, you should think about talking to a therapist.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:29 pm

@Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/19/17590302/trevor-noah-france-french-ambassador-araud-world-cup

This touches on the same point a little more in depth and might interest you

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:30 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:

Spoiler:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Betty's arguments against Yang are so strange. Really makes me wonder why this Japanese-American man has such strong views on him...


I have never hidden the reason I hate Yang.

He peddles in Asian stereotypes to his white audience(MATH).
He peddles in neo-Nazi White supremacy talking points about white genocide and birthrate.
He behaves like a joke when the threat of Trump is a serious matter.

The vast majority of Americans makes no distinction between his ethnicity and mine. If we walk down the street we are viewed as the same so any criticism of him has nothing to do with a difference because I know we are viewed as the same.

Re: math. Yeah agreed this is a stereotype he is fomenting. I can see why you would find that insulting.

Re: white birth rates. Sigh, we talked about this for a while a few pages back. I think you're fundamentally mistaken in how you are reading those tweets, but whatever, you can interpret those however wrongly you want.

Re: Trump. Yang actually has the most appeal to Trump voters from the democratic field. Seems to me that if your main concern is stopping Trump then you should be embracing him.

Do you think when the average Trump person who tolerates Yang is alone in the voting booth that they will pull the lever for his Chinese ass over Trump? Over any white person not named Clinton or Warren?

They just as likely vote Johnson or whatever schlub the Libertarians put out there.

Yeah, I think there would be. His gig is that he treats them seriously instead of as "deplorables" like the rest of the party. Lo and behold, that gets them to consider his view.

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:46 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Hapless_Hans wrote:Betty knows all of this, of course, but chooses to ignore it in favour of a strangely insistent racialist-essentialist stance which he fuses with an obsession with masculinity and stereotype.

Maybe it's because as an Asian he has a small dick?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/19/17590302/trevor-noah-france-french-ambassador-araud-world-cup

This touches on the same point a little more in depth and might interest you


I remember that joke, yes, I saw the episode. It did rub me strangely wrong, but I like his way of being able to deliver such material.

It's doubly complicated as in effect Noah makes the joke of an European racialist, but him being an African.
Yet, as a South African, ........ etc

I'll have hopefully more to say on this in the coming days, there's a few thoughts and questions in this thread I feel are worth involving

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