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Post by Luca Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:12 pm

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but they didn't, they said alleged to have happened ten years ago

alleged being the key here, they aren't saying they don't care about what happened ten years ago, they're saying it's unproven

this language and distinction is extremely important, it changes the meaning of the entire message and hence the uproar that's seemingly ensuing here


Legal nuances are fine for court papers and contracts, not PR statements, particularly insofar as they're saying (alleged) historical events don't change the sporting perception of him. Noone is challenging the quality of athlete that he is, and making a comment about it is just an attempted distraction of the real issue. They may have invested in him, but that's secondary to the potential criminal sanctions. That investment goes to shit if he's guilty and goes to jail, and no amount of club backing changes what the legal verdict should or shouldn't be. At most, it should be a statement that due process should be observed (that might even have been their intention (if so, they should get better communications people)).


Aye, if you read my later post I agreed with these sentiments. It's still a bad post in so that it can be construed in the contrary to what was obviously intended

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Post by Freeza Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:30 pm

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Without getting into the whole Juve defending/not defending, this is just bad PR. Maybe something was lost in translation but they worded this really badly.


It's an awful pr statement.

Also shows no logic. The first tweet should end with 1/2 not 1/1. Idiots.
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Post by Robespierre Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:45 pm

Unreal comunicative disaster
I ' ve read three times and I couldn't believe to it

Perhaps I should not be surprised if I know Juve but It is even beyond my immagination


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Post by The Demon of Carthage Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:52 pm

First of all, Juventus should fire whoever is running their twitter account and whoever greenlighted that poorly worded statement to be published. I get that they want to show their support to their star player, but they have definitely picked the wrong time to do so. Even if they had chosen their words very carefully and released a flawless statement, staying quiet would still have been the wisest thing for them to do.

Second of all, you would have to be incredibly biased with agenda-driven motives to believe even for a fraction of second that there's even a one-in-a-million chance of Juventus being supporters of rape. They may have released an untimely and poorly worded statement, but it doesn't neither directly nor indirectly suggest that they actually don't care whether he's a rapist or not.

To go as far as accusing them of such a vile thing is frankly dishonest.
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Post by Freeza Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:54 pm

"which is shared by anyone who has come into contact with this great champion"

I can think of one who is of a different opinion.
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Post by McLewis Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:07 pm

Not only is that Juve statement bad, it's mistimed too. They really shouldn't have said anything. Awful.

As for my thoughts on this whole topic, I think CR's in trouble here. Der Spiegel's credibility speaks for itself. I believe her.
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Post by guest7 Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:19 pm

Nick has became such a troll man

What happened to innocent til guilty? That is probably what Juve is thinking, they will defend him until the verdict comes and if it shows he is guilty - I doubt anyone will defend CR tbh.

He is a father after all, isn't his son older than 9? Doesn't need to be a rapist
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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:28 pm

I am a troll because i call out a garbage statement for what it is? are you serious? i guess this is one of those loose definition of trolling.

as a reminder again, i have taken 0 position in this thing, nor have i expressed any opinion about the veracity of that young lady claims.

as far as your comment about CR being a father and him needing not to do this... what garbage logic. yes i said garbage, and i assure you i am not trolling. harvey Weinstein has 5 children, yet he sexually abused several women with 0 remorse.

This is the kind of garbage logic society and women have to deal with when this type of accusation come forth. "cristiano is so good looking he can have any women" "why would he need to rape anyone, he is so sexy"
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Post by Luca Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:34 pm

Nick, I almost had a passed out reading your post.

You've been the least neutral and the absolutely most closed minded person in this thread and easily on the forum rofl

You've posted garbage like Ronaldo being suspended from Portugal, called Juventus a garbage club because you misunderstood their (bad) tweet, you made countless assumptions about the whole incident presuming the wrongdoing of Ronaldo from the day the first allegation arose...

Just because you're doing it with a holier than thou, protector of the innocent moniker doesn't mean you are on point with everything you say

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Post by Mr Nick09 Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:58 pm

For the record again, this is one of the most fascinating story in football, whether it's convenient to your club or not.

I have posted every single piece of relevant information i thought could help whichever discussion we have here:
- i linked stories from der spiegel
- report of the story being investigated by the police in LV
-relevant reports by large news organizations in the US to give a sense of how it's growing
-i posted CR statement about this being fakenews
-the story about him being suspended from portugal NT is source from AP News, which is a large and trust worthy source of information.
-and if i wasnt beaten to it, i would have posted juve statement as well

I will continue to post anything that i think is relevant to this story.

You can believe what you want. What i know is, except for you and rincon, everyone here has called that juve statement a complete farce, but it's not as sexy to respond to other posters right? you are the only one thinking that statement is good

maybe calling juve a garbage club was too strong, but now that i remember what cheating scum of an organization you are well, i dont feel so bad about it. straight garbage, in line with that statement. You see? this is me giving a definitive opinion about a topic. but this thread isnt about your club is it? this is about a very serious allegation concercing CR allegedly forcing himself on a young woman.
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Post by breva Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:02 am

I usually believe the women, but this sounds a little weird.  Ronaldo does not look like Trump or Harvey Wienstein, he is a bit of a sex symbol for women, so I find it difficult to believe he would have to force himself on a woman.  I would suspect that many women would actually seek him out. These photos were supposedly taken before she allegedly accompanied him to his room.

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Post by guest7 Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:03 am

Again, I said you're innocent until proven guilty and then you start saying this is the thing women deal with when it comes to rape. I disagree so much, it's men who have to deal with rape accusations more than women. In Sweden you don't even have to use violence to rape someone. You can have sex and if she changes her mind its enough to convict you. It hasn't have to be by force so to speak.

(Disclaimer: this is a new law in Sweden)

He is innocent until proven guilty. If he is proven guilty he is a scum. Otherwise he is one of the most dedicated footballers and a father. Show some respek

Also I agree, this is the biggest story in the history of sports. Atleast in my opinion
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Post by Luca Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:09 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:For the record again, this is one of the most fascinating story in football, whether it's convenient to your club or not.

I have posted every single piece of relevant information i thought could help whichever discussion we have here:
- i linked stories from der spiegel
- report of the story being investigated by the police in LV
-relevant reports by large news organizations in the US to give a sense of how it's growing
-i posted CR statement about this being fakenews
-the story about him being suspended from portugal NT is source from AP News, which is a large and trust worthy source of information.
-and if i wasnt beaten to it, i would have posted juve statement as well

I will continue to post anything that i think is relevant to this story.

You can believe what you want. What i know is, except for you and rincon, everyone here has called that juve statement a complete farce, but it's not as sexy to respond to other posters right? you are the only one thinking that statement is good

maybe calling juve a garbage club was too strong, but now that i remember what cheating scum of an organization you are well, i dont feel so bad about it. straight garbage, in line with that statement. You see? this is me giving a definitive opinion about a topic. but this thread isnt about your club is it? this is about a very serious allegation concercing CR allegedly forcing himself on a young woman.


neutral nick :bow:


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Post by Winter is Coming Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:10 am

breva wrote:I usually believe the women, but this sounds a little weird.  Ronaldo does not look like Trump or Harvey Wienstein, he is a bit of a sex symbol for women, so I find it difficult to believe he would have to force himself on a woman.  I would suspect that many women would actually seek him out. These photos were supposedly taken before she allegedly accompanied him to his room.

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I think he tried to do her from the backdoor, which she didn't approve of and kind of forced himself, which is what the case seems to be about. It isn't him just forcefully grabbing some girl, even if she accompanied him to his room, doesn't mean he can force himself on to her.
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Post by Freeza Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:57 am

guest7 wrote:You can have sex and if she changes her mind its enough to convict you. It hasn't have to be by force so to speak.


Well, if she says no after you've started to have sex and you don't do it. It's rape. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say against that.

Also of course men have to deal with rape accusations more than women. Because men are most often the rapists.


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Post by FilthyLuca Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:10 am

I took it as "Ive known the man for 3 months, he's been a stand up guy, and someone making 10 year old rape allegations isnt going to make me think any different"

PR guy should be tarred and feather. Youre his employer, not his roommate.

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Post by Firenze Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:16 am

Yikes. @S
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Post by FilthyLuca Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:28 am

Which part makes you believe her, mclewis

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Post by adun101 Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:44 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:I am a troll because i call out a garbage statement for what it is? are you serious? i guess this is one of those loose definition of trolling.

You're not a troll, you're just the internet's lowest common denominator. Instead of assuming the best intentions, you took a poorly worded tweet at face value and proclaimed that the whole club is garbage.

Mr Nick09 wrote:
maybe calling juve a garbage club was too strong, but now that i remember what cheating scum of an organization you are well, i dont feel so bad about it.

Maybe stop posting stuff on this matter? You have the credibility of a five year old.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:12 am

can you lads focus on the topic, this is not an expose on Juventus, a club formely caught cheating and demoted to second division. Well, your entire organization was proved to be cheats, so me taking that garbage statement at face value was actually correct based on the reputation of your club. Even worse, despite the backlash 0 correction, they are standing by it.

garbage statement from a garbage club.

let's get back to topic yeah?
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Post by FilthyLuca Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:30 am

You do seem very emotionally invested in this whole thing.
Whats wrong? Honestly...
That they didnt reassure the public that they feel rape is bad? Youre pissed because they didnt hand out the some prepackaged PC crap and You NEED them to tell you they take these things serious? Or That theyll wait for the legal process to play out in order to make a decision, or is it youre unsure theyll take action if hes found guilty in court? Would you believe them either way
All they said is this has shit to do with them, and it was 10 years before he came, so they have no part in the investigation to cooperate with. All they know is hes been a good guy since hes been here and simply being accused of something isnt going to change that

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Post by Warrior Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:02 am

Maybe just a bad translation of a decent italian text hmm hope so

Juventus is held as hostage of this situation. Because CR plays at the club since 2 months but a scandal from 10 years ago pops out right now. Obviously the club has nothing to do with such crime or anything of this sort, go figure why someone from the pr office felt the need to clarify that.

A mere "we will support our player until proven innocent / no comments until conclusion of the case" message would have been sufficient. When i read these thoughtless posts on my Twitter feed i felt embarassed...
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Post by FilthyLuca Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:40 am

How bout they stay quiet, and wait for the inevitable flood of reporter questions coming down the line. Id rather a statement from agnelli or nedved, than the doucher with a GED who runs the social media accounts.

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Post by Freeza Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:46 am

FilthyLuca wrote:How bout they stay quiet, and wait for the inevitable flood of reporter questions coming down the line. Id rather a statement from agnelli or nedved, than the doucher with a GED who runs the social media accounts.


There were only better ways to make a statement.

This statement looked more like Ronaldo's response, than the one on his own twitter page, which was very lawyer-edited, I'd assume.

It looked like no one had checked that tweet over with professionals. It was probably due to translation issues, but it still looks very bad.
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Post by McLewis Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:32 am

breva wrote:I usually believe the women, but this sounds a little weird.  Ronaldo does not look like Trump or Harvey Wienstein, he is a bit of a sex symbol for women, so I find it difficult to believe he would have to force himself on a woman.  I would suspect that many women would actually seek him out. These photos were supposedly taken before she allegedly accompanied him to his room.

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That's exactly why I have no problem believing her.

CR7 has had women the world over throwing themselves at him for 15+ years. It's probably beyond boring for him now as there's not much of a challenge in bedding someone who is obsessed with you. Going for the woman that isn't starstruck and has no clue who you are other than some hot, rich guy in a club? That's the kind of challenge guys like him look for.
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Post by rincon Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:54 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:What i know is, except for you and rincon, everyone here has called that juve statement a complete farce, but it's not as sexy to respond to other posters right? you are the only one thinking that statement is good

No. You are the only one I replied to because you are the only writing BS here.

I hadn't posted on the topic until yesterday because I see it as pointless. Football should have nothing to do with criminal justice. If he is guilty, he deserves a proper punishment for it, if he is innocent, then he deserves to have his name cleared. If conclusions remain ambiguous, then his name will carry the stain of it on each person's view. These should all come when a proper investigation takes place, which it seems that it is currently happening. So I rather wait and see what is shown, rather than give early opinions on someone who might be a rapist, or might be a victim of defamation.

Now, under this guise of neutrality, victim-hood, and white-knight persona you have going on here, you are the only one that has gone past discussing if you do believe her, or not, to just random attacks at Juve and false news. This is even normal, we are fans of football clubs with rivalries and opinions of each other, but instead of owning up to, you are acting like it's everyone else in the wrong.

Like I said, I didn't respond about the Juve tweet. Obviously I see the problem it brings, I was replying to the ridiculous reaction and the jumping to conclusions. In a forum where, I'd hope, we are all knowledgeable enough and take considerable amounts of time to understand what happens in the world of football, rather than a 5 second glance at a tweet. Just compare responses from fellow Madrid fans Doc, DoC, Thimmy, and guest, or actually every other poster in the topic, to yours.

Mr Nick09 wrote:Juve:" You may be a rapist, but you are a great football player, and it's all that matter. you might have raped someone 10 years ago? who cares?"

garbage club

Mr Nick09 wrote:maybe calling juve a garbage club was too strong, but now that i remember what cheating scum of an organization you are well, i dont feel so bad about it. straight garbage, in line with that statement. You see? this is me giving a definitive opinion about a topic. but this thread isnt about your club is it? this is about a very serious allegation concercing CR allegedly forcing himself on a young woman.

Mr Nick09 wrote:can you lads focus on the topic, this is not an expose on Juventus a club formely caught cheating and demoted to second division. Well, your entire organization was proved to be cheats, so me taking that garbage statement at face value was actually correct based on the reputation of your club. Even worse, despite the backlash 0 correction, they are standing by it.

garbage statement from a garbage club.

let's get back to topic yeah?
That's the agenda. Drop the BS, stop pretending like it's everyone else getting off topic with your trolling attempts. I'ts embarrassing to bring these things into a topic about rape. You want to read posts focusing on the case at hand, and talking about the gravity of rape? read Freeza's posts, or basically everyone else's.
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