Re: Cristiano Ronaldo rape allegation and general denunciation thread

[rincon]

What i know is, except for you and rincon, everyone here has called that juve statement a complete farce, but it's not as sexy to respond to other posters right? you are the only one thinking that statement is good

No. You are the only one I replied to because you are the only writing BS here.

I hadn't posted on the topic until yesterday because I see it as pointless. Football should have nothing to do with criminal justice. If he is guilty, he deserves a proper punishment for it, if he is innocent, then he deserves to have his name cleared. If conclusions remain ambiguous, then his name will carry the stain of it on each person's view. These should all come when a proper investigation takes place, which it seems that it is currently happening. So I rather wait and see what is shown, rather than give early opinions on someone who might be a rapist, or might be a victim of defamation.

Now, under this guise of neutrality, victim-hood, and white-knight persona you have going on here, you are the only one that has gone past discussing if you do believe her, or not, to just random attacks at Juve and false news. This is even normal, we are fans of football clubs with rivalries and opinions of each other, but instead of owning up to, you are acting like it's everyone else in the wrong.

Like I said, I didn't respond about the Juve tweet. Obviously I see the problem it brings, I was replying to the ridiculous reaction and the jumping to conclusions. In a forum where, I'd hope, we are all knowledgeable enough and take considerable amounts of time to understand what happens in the world of football, rather than a 5 second glance at a tweet. Just compare responses from fellow Madrid fans Doc, DoC, Thimmy, and guest, or actually every other poster in the topic, to yours.

Juve:" You may be a rapist, but you are a great football player, and it's all that matter. you might have raped someone 10 years ago? who cares?"

garbage club

maybe calling juve a garbage club was too strong, but now that i remember what cheating scum of an organization you are well, i dont feel so bad about it. straight garbage, in line with that statement. You see? this is me giving a definitive opinion about a topic. but this thread isnt about your club is it? this is about a very serious allegation concercing CR allegedly forcing himself on a young woman.

can you lads focus on the topic, this is not an expose on Juventus a club formely caught cheating and demoted to second division. Well, your entire organization was proved to be cheats, so me taking that garbage statement at face value was actually correct based on the reputation of your club. Even worse, despite the backlash 0 correction, they are standing by it.

garbage statement from a garbage club.

let's get back to topic yeah?

That's the agenda. Drop the BS, stop pretending like it's everyone else getting off topic with your trolling attempts. I'ts embarrassing to bring these things into a topic about rape. You want to read posts focusing on the case at hand, and talking about the gravity of rape? read Freeza's posts, or basically everyone else's.

[S]

He was also unsuccessful in his trolling. The moment he gets called out, he becomes defensive and writes a bunch of nonsense to defend his original comment, throwing attacks on the club and then pretends to stay 'on topic'. Classless fellow. Its pointless to take him seriously since there's a night and day difference between his and other Madrid fans' posts.

Anyway, that tweet was disastrous, end of. I really wished they had kept mum on this issue until more details surfaced.  Regardless of whether CR gets out of this, i think the damage has already been done. Any form of negative publicity especially if it involves a heinous offence like rape is going to damage any athlete's image , especially one that is as accomplished as CR. I'm just disappointed that Juve's got to bear the brunt of it too now that he plays for us and considering we bought him so that he could take us to the next level commercially, its a nightmare situation for us too.

[Kaladin]

A zebra never changes its stripes

[Hapless_Hans]

.@Cristiano Ronaldo has shown in recent months his great professionalism and dedication, which is appreciated by everyone at Juventus. 1/1

— JuventusFC (@juventusfcen) October 4, 2018

The events allegedly dating back to almost 10 years ago do not change this opinion, which is shared by anyone who has come into contact with this great champion. 2/2

— JuventusFC (@juventusfcen) October 4, 2018

Without getting into the whole Juve defending/not defending, this is just bad PR. Maybe something was lost in translation but they worded this really badly.

It's an awful pr statement.

Also shows no logic. The first tweet should end with 1/2 not 1/1. Idiots.

lmao I was really puzzled by that. It's as if they don't even know how to tweet a statement

"everyone who comes in contact with him" lmao the sound of that

[Hapless_Hans]

I am a troll because i call out a garbage statement for what it is? are you serious? i guess this is one of those loose definition of trolling.

It's called "wide trolling". Transfermarkt counts it but not opta.

[Hapless_Hans]

I usually believe the women, but this sounds a little weird.  Ronaldo does not look like Trump or Harvey Wienstein, he is a bit of a sex symbol for women, so I find it difficult to believe he would have to force himself on a woman.  I would suspect that many women would actually seek him out. These photos were supposedly taken before she allegedly accompanied him to his room.

Have you taken any effort to got to know the facts of the case?
Awful, awful, disgustingly ignorant post.
As if going into someone's room was the agreement to anything what happens after, no matter how violent or unconsentual.

[Thimmy]

It really is poor PR. I don't subscribe to the notion that a PR person reflects the opinion of an entire organization, but that is nevertheless what they're hired to do, and I'd definitely expect more professionalism from someone who, I assume, is trained to handle social media accounts diplomatically. One could argue that this person's native language isn't English, but that seems to indicate an issue in the standard of recruitment.

[Robespierre]

Probably I underrated the matter, I must admitt It @Freeza @MrNick09

Actually you listen to talk about It much more abroad than in Italy, in Italy you don't read It. .... That's why I didn't get the reason about so much discussion on It.

But I took an eye beyond GL and well ... The perception is different. It is main discussion everywhere , It is more serious than I thought It.

But It hasn't to do with things read as " misogyny in Italy " lol, believe me, It is not so But medias are pro Juve in Italy. It happens when Agnelli Empire is so large

[FilthyLuca]

Still not sure what the big deal is about the tweet. Whats the outrage abouy?

[Luca]

Still not sure what the big deal is about the tweet. Whats the outrage abouy?

The tweet was worded in a way that it could have been misunderstood and that's what happened. They could have worded it better or just approached it differently.

But it was really just the link some were waiting for between Juventus and this incident to try to extend some sort of culpability or rather, bad look on the club's behalf, which was to be expected.

[FilthyLuca]

"Profess your disdain for rape, and make sure its dramatic, or youre a piece of shit who condones sexual asssult and hates women. Especially considering the fact your team plays absolutely no role in niether the case nor investigation."

Thats what it seems like to me....still, dissapointing how sloppy this went.

[Hapless_Hans]

Noone here has expressed 'outrage' over the Jjuve tweet, rather we have expressed disbelief about how utterly cringeworthy and tone deaf it is worded.
But most importantly, how the message it sends is a complete non-sequitur.

'Ronaldo has been nothing but hard working and professional in his two months at Jjuve and 10 year old rape allegations don't change that'?

Why would you need to tweet that? Who questioned Ronaldo's professionalism in this matter?

It's rather bizarre as an PR statement in such a sensitive matter, and it sure sounds like they followed some sort of urgent demand from Ronaldo/Mendes to express support of Ronaldo.

[Thimmy]

Still not sure what the big deal is about the tweet.  Whats the outrage abouy?

The tweet was worded in a way that it could have been misunderstood and that's what happened. They could have worded it better or just approached it differently.

It's worded in a way that's open to interpretation, and although I don't see that as something that warrants a public backlash, personally, it was bound to ruffle some feathers. Something tells me that, whoever wrote that Tweet, struggled to decide how to write it in a way that shows genuine support towards C. Ronaldo, yet doesn't offend sympathizers of the alleged rape victim. The tweet reads out like more of a homage to CR, than anything else.

[FilthyLuca]

If thats their way of expressing support, then im even more dissapointed than i was earlier.
That would mean brass came up with this stupid shit and not some dumbass in marketing.
Didnt this happen (tweets any adult would know better than to post) with the Dallas Mavericks or some NBA team like that?

[Mr Nick09]

@rincon, my response is no different from people 95% of posters here who have said it's terrible PR, that includes you. That tweet reflects on your club whether you like it or not.

You take offense from me going a step further and calling juve a garbage club? tough luck. I take offense to people turning this into personal attacks, what did you think i would do? so i made sure to repeat it again a couple of times because i know how much it rubs you the wrong way: Garbage statement from a Garbage club

What i find amazing is that there is backtracking, no correction, nothing. The reaction, we have here, i have seen a couple of journalist have a similar one on twitter

[rincon]

It's not that, it's the hypocrisy. Classy though.

[FilthyLuca]

Youre being waaay to dramatic. Lashing out emotionally everytime youre called a troll isnt a good look for a man.

[Luca]

Still not sure what the big deal is about the tweet.  Whats the outrage abouy?

The tweet was worded in a way that it could have been misunderstood and that's what happened. They could have worded it better or just approached it differently.

It's worded in a way that's open to interpretation, and although I don't see that as something that warrants a public backlash, personally, it was bound to ruffle some feathers. Something tells me that, whoever wrote that Tweet, struggled to decide how to write it in a way that shows genuine support towards C. Ronaldo, yet doesn't offend sympathizers of the alleged rape victim. The tweet reads out like more of a homage to CR, than anything else.

I agree, it was a poor tweet in any case. I don't think it was nearly as bad as some (one) think but any post that could be interpreted poorly, should have been executed better.

I think we could have cumulatively wrote a better message. I would've preferred a generic: the club would like to extend its support to Cristiano Ronaldo in this time or along those lines but anyways, if this is the extent of Juventus' involvement in this ordeal, then it's fine.

I'm really just curious to see how this proceeds, if Ronaldo is summoned to the US, if a settlement is made once more, if the criminal investigation proceeds, there are so many things yet to unfold

[guest7]

EA Sports has removed CR from the cover after the alleged rape on their website.

Nike is also supposedly going to part ways from CR too

[Mr Nick09]

Nike concerned by Ronaldo rape claim but Juventus back 'great champion' https://t.co/fqzzyevNg7

— Guardian sport (@guardian_sport) October 5, 2018

[Mr Nick09]

this is fake news

Juventus shares down almost 20% this week as pressure has grown on their most expensive signing, Cristiano Ronaldo, over the rape lawsuit pic.twitter.com/CdCAoq0IMs

— Rob Harris (@RobHarris) October 5, 2018

[FilthyLuca]

And everything guest7 wrote is exactly why you pay a bitch off and hope they dont come back once theyve spent the cash, whether you did it or not.
Hes be ACCUSED and theyre parting ways with him

[FilthyLuca]

At least the shares are still almost double from this time last year. I was trying to buy shares at .40 euro a share, but its not a stock i can trade on my web trader site

[Luca]

This week on GL -> negative public perception impacts endorsements and share prices

what a time to be alive

[Hapless_Hans]

thankfully Ronaldo wasn't bought to 'expand the brand' or anything like that, that would have been quite an own goal

[Luca]

Nike, an American brand that recently made headlines for heavily endorsing Colin Kaepernick in a very social justice oriented approach would clearly not stand by Ronaldo, in the face of rape accusations

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