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Post by Thimmy Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:57 pm

Lucifer wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:world cup final
Messi 1
Kommander 0


If second place is something worth bragging about, then maybe there should be a trophy for it Laughing

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Post by Doc Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:01 pm

Actual International trophies that are worth talking about:
Ronaldo: 1
Messi: 0
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Post by Lucifer Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:51 am

Doc wrote:Actual International trophies that are worth talking about won by teammates for them:
Ronaldo: 1
Messi: 0

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Post by Myesyats Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:31 am

great argument guys
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Post by guest7 Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:55 pm

Kebab wrote:Greatest maybe against small teams.
Messi's most goals are against top 4 teams, Ronaldo's most goals are against bottom 4 teams
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You do realize Messi has played in La Liga longer than CR has? That's why the statistic is unfair to CR
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Post by Kebab Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:22 pm

If taking his team to final and sitting in bench was a trophy then Messi has 3 trophies and Ronaldo 1

if ronaldo actually played and won it he would be in conversation for greatest ever, but nobody calls him best ever. Now imagine if Messi won an international trophy.............
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Post by Freeza Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:25 pm

Kebab wrote:If taking his team to final and sitting in bench was a trophy then Messi has 3 trophies and Ronaldo 1

if ronaldo actually played and won it he would be in conversation for greatest ever, but nobody calls him best ever. Now imagine if Messi won an international trophy.............


He did play... and he did win... hmm
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Post by rincon Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:28 pm

guest7 wrote:
Kebab wrote:Greatest maybe against small teams.
Messi's most goals are against top 4 teams, Ronaldo's most goals are against bottom 4 teams
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You do realize Messi has played in La Liga longer than CR has? That's why the statistic is unfair to CR


How is this relevant? That list shows the teams that Cristiano and Messi have scored the most against. The total amount of games would have an impact on the total amount of goals, not on which teams they score the most against.
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Post by Warrior Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:32 pm

checkmate
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Post by S Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:32 pm

Messi vs Juventus - 5 games 2 goals

Cristiano vs Juventus - 5 games 7 goals

It's clear who is the better big game player IMO :coffee:
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Post by Harmonica Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:35 pm

guest7 wrote:
Kebab wrote:Greatest maybe against small teams.
Messi's most goals are against top 4 teams, Ronaldo's most goals are against bottom 4 teams
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You do realize Messi has played in La Liga longer than CR has? That's why the statistic is unfair to CR
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Post by guest7 Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:09 pm

rincon wrote:
guest7 wrote:
Kebab wrote:Greatest maybe against small teams.
Messi's most goals are against top 4 teams, Ronaldo's most goals are against bottom 4 teams
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You do realize Messi has played in La Liga longer than CR has? That's why the statistic is unfair to CR


How is this relevant? That list shows the teams that Cristiano and Messi have scored the most against. The total amount of games would have an impact on the total amount of goals, not on which teams they score the most against.


Except Ronaldo has played severely alot less El Clasicos than Messi has
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Post by rincon Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:13 pm

You still don't understand the table
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Post by Unique Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:29 pm

Thimmy wrote:
Lucifer wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:world cup final
Messi 1
Kommander 0


If second place is something worth bragging about, then maybe there should be a trophy for it Laughing
thats what i keep telling frenzy Laughing
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Post by Firenze Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:47 pm

I'm not bragging about second, just being better than you after you running your mouth for months.
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Post by Unique Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:50 pm

Firenze wrote:I'm not bragging about second, just being better than you after you running your mouth for months.
dude do you get a email when ever i make a post rofl
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Post by Unique Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:50 pm

Firenze wrote:I'm not bragging about second, just being better than you after you running your mouth for months.
your manager does Laughing
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Post by guest7 Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:00 am

@rincon how is 10 games less not a disadvantage
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Post by rincon Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:20 am

guest7 wrote:@rincon how is 10 games less not a disadvantage


The table shows the 5 teams that each of these guys have scored the most against. The amount of times that either of them will have played Barca/Madrid/Sevilla/Atletico/Valencia by now is at least as large as the amount of times they have played Rayo or Levante given that these teams are (probably) not always in the 1st division. So you get all the times that they have played against all these spanish teams, count the goals, and then show against which teams they have scored the most.

That Messi has played more times against Madrid than CR against Barca doesn't matter. That will just change the absolute amount of goals, not the frequency at which he scores goals against the team. So if CR was scoring more against Barca than against Rayo, then Barca would show up in that top 5. The number of goals may be less than those of Messi because Messi has more games, but that doesn't impact which teams are present in CR's list.

If CR plays 20 games against each team, scores 0 goals against every team and 1 goal against Barca. Then Barca shows up on that list regardless of the fact that its only 1 goal, and regardless of whatever Messi has done. The list is just about which teams each player scores the most against.
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Post by Kebab Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:49 am

guest7 wrote:@rincon how is 10 games less not a disadvantage
Lets say Messi gets injured for 2 years and in this 2 years Ronaldo plays 100 more games against Getafe Espanyol Malaga Levante RayoValecano and lets say Barcelona.
1. Getafe - 80 goals
2. Espanyol - 68 goals
3. Malaga - 60 goals
4. Levante - 43 goals
5. Rayo - 40 goals
6. Barcelona - 30 goals

Barcelona still is not in his top 5 list, no matter how many more games he plays. If he wants Barcelona to be in top 5 he must score more against Barcelona not other 5 teams. This is what Messi does, he scores 3 against Madrid and 1 against Levante, so in the end Madrid shows up in his favotire victims list, but CR scores 3 against Levante and 1 against Barcelona
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Post by Thimmy Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:30 pm

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guest7 wrote:@rincon how is 10 games less not a disadvantage


The table shows the 5 teams that each of these guys have scored the most against. The amount of times that either of them will have played Barca/Madrid/Sevilla/Atletico/Valencia by now is at least as large as the amount of times they have played Rayo or Levante given that these teams are (probably) not always in the 1st division. So you get all the times that they have played against all these spanish teams, count the goals, and then show against which teams they have scored the most.

That Messi has played more times against Madrid than CR against Barca doesn't matter. That will just change the absolute amount of goals, not the frequency at which he scores goals against the team. So if CR was scoring more against Barca than against Rayo, then Barca would show up in that top 5. The number of goals may be less than those of Messi because Messi has more games, but that doesn't impact which teams are present in CR's list.

If CR plays 20 games against each team, scores 0 goals against every team and 1 goal against Barca. Then Barca shows up on that list regardless of the fact that its only 1 goal, and regardless of whatever Messi has done. The list is just about which teams each player scores the most against.


Stats like these are still largely pointless, in my opinion. From what I recall, Messi has scored more frequently against the big teams, and R. Madrid in particular, but there are so many variables that play into these comparisons, that stats like these won't show. The current AC Milan side doesn't quite compare to the one that had the likes of prime Kaka, for instance. One could stat pad against them, and 10 years from now, history will have forgotten that they were far from the peak of their powers when they conceded the most goals.
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Post by rincon Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:39 pm

That's a different discussion. I didn't post that table. Its still valuable information though, they compete in the same league at the same time against the same teams. Both have extremely dominant teams too. Doesn't get better than that in order to make a comparison about preferred victims for goalscorers.
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Post by Thimmy Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:14 pm

Well, I think they only show one side of the story. I think C. Ronaldo outperformed Messi against Atletico Madrid - when they were at the peak of their Powers - but the latter's been smashing them since they were 7th in the league, not competing in the CL, and Ronaldo was still making a name for himself at Man United. Messi also scored a hattrick against Real Madrid, back when their best player was the constantly injured, Arjen robben. Without complete context, stats sheets like these provide more banter than anything else, imo Very Happy
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Post by guest7 Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:22 pm

Everyone knows that lately except these last 3 clasicos Ronaldo has been outperforming Messi in El Clasico. Messi even went as far as going in a scoreless streak against Real Madrid.

Ronaldo also had a tough team back when Barca were winning all the games, we didn't even beat Barca with Ronaldo even one time before Mourinho came...

So if these statistics were based of the latest El Clasicos they would be different. Ronaldo ages like wine tbh
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Post by Kebab Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:36 pm

Its really funny Messi scored against R.Madrid more than he scored against Levante or any other trash team. When i said Messi doesnt care about statpadding or golden shoe nobody believed me
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Post by RealGunner Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:51 pm

Greatest of all time.

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