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Lex wrote:Hitler. Bully. Racist. Bigot. Xenophobe. Misogynist. Warmonger. Wah wah wah wah. Have I summed this thread up thus far?
Interesting enough Tyson is from New York, and was a kid in the 60's and 70's.
Trump wouldnt have rented his parents an apartment.
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RealGunner wrote:To steer the discussion towards the actual policies, what's next for obamacare? Binned by early next year? If yes then what will replace it?
First Day in Office
During the campaign, Trump frequently pointed to the tasks he wishes to accomplish on his first day in the Oval Office.
Laying out the aims of his administration, Trump said he will “repeal and replace ‘Obamacare,’” “immediately suspend the admission of Syrian refugees,” “order a review of every single regulation issued over the last eight years,” “begin lifting all regulations that are hurting our workers and our businesses,” “terminate every single unconstitutional executive order signed by President Obama,” “restore the rule of law to our land,” “begin implementing plans for construction of a wall along our southern border” and “get rid of” international gangs of thugs and drug cartels — all on his first day.
‘Drain the Swamp’
In the subsequent 99 days, Trump has promised to “drain the swamp” — the campaign’s term for rooting out corruption in Washington. A major pledge of his is a “constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress.” Representatives and senators may currently serve an unlimited number of two- and six-year terms, respectively.
Additionally, Trump has proposed a law barring government officials from lobbying the government within five years of their service and prohibiting lobbying by those officials on behalf of foreign governments. He also said he will institute a hiring freeze in order to reduce the size of the federal government. Campaign finance reform would take the form of forbidding foreign lobbyists to raise money on behalf of campaigns in the U.S.
Trade and Foreign Policy
“We don’t win on trade” was a frequent refrain heard at Trump rallies, and in response, the real estate mogul has said he will renegotiate NAFTA and withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He said he will direct his secretary of the treasury to pursue action against Chinese currency manipulation.
Trump has said he will renegotiate the Iran nuclear deal, call a NATO summit to update the organization’s mission and rebalance members’ “financial commitments,” cancel payments to the United Nations’ climate-change programs and divert that money to domestic infrastructure improvement.
The Republican has vowed to increase investment in the nation’s military and be “unpredictable” when it comes to fighting ISIS in the Middle East. On the campaign trail, he frequently criticized Obama for announcing military actions before their commencement.
Taxes and Domestic Issues
On taxes, Trump pledged “the biggest tax cut since Ronald Reagan.” The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 and Tax Reform Act of 1986, passed during Reagan’s presidency, simplified the tax code and lowered marginal tax rates by more than 20 percent for most citizens. Trump indicated that he will seek to reduce tax brackets from seven to three and called for business tax rates to be reduced to 15 percent.
In line with the “law and order candidate” label he assigned himself, Trump said he will increase police training programs and create a task force on violent crime.
Other Trump proposals in the first 100 days include the elimination of Common Core in public schools nationwide and the nomination of a Supreme Court justice to replace the late Antonin Scalia.
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Pedram wrote:Does anyone feels if Bernie was on the ticket he would've easily beaten Trump ? this year's election basically hinged on how the rust belt would vote, Hillary lost two crucial rust belt states (Michigan, Wisconsin) in which Sanders won easily in the primary.
Hillary's strength was in the south with minority voters and Sanders had advantage with the white middle class and rural north, i feel the Democratic party made a huge mistake by putting all their eggs in one basket, they thought they could win this election with the educated urban class and minority and completely forgot about the rural class.
I honestly believe he would have although it would depend on his campaigning. Sanders would be more appealing to the white middle class and the rural class and his campaign would have to emphasize on the changes that would positively affect his voters instead of going on and on about the how Trump is misogynistic, racist, sexist, Islamophobic, said this in 1999 etc. Also would have depended on whether Bernie being a socialist would have done as much damage as the email scandal.
Democrats screwed themselves. If Biden ran there was a huge chance that the establishment votes would be split between him and Hilary and Bernie would have won the primaries.
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Speaking of Bernie, here's his statement.
“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”
“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”
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That's a fine statement from Bernie. It's a pity what the DNC did to him.
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M99 wrote:Speaking of Bernie, here's his statement.
“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”
Funny how this election brought extreme wings of both parties together, people are clearly tired of the status quo.
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Far left is as bad as far right. If the recent events have taught us anything, people are tired of neoliberalism and Hillary's attempt at that was a joke. DNC screwed themselves out of the elections. Left in the USA can blame Trump supporters as much as they want but in the end it was DNC as a whole who let them down.
This is the best article I have read post-election. Everything I agree with 100%.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate?CMP=share_btn_tw
As CB said earlier, Not all Trump supporters shared his extreme views on social values. It would be ridiculous to say that. But what most did share was Trump's rhetoric of how he is going to 'fix the economy'. Whether he does it or not is another thing. But he said it in a hell of a better way than Hillary's pathetic attempt.
This is the best article I have read post-election. Everything I agree with 100%.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate?CMP=share_btn_tw
As CB said earlier, Not all Trump supporters shared his extreme views on social values. It would be ridiculous to say that. But what most did share was Trump's rhetoric of how he is going to 'fix the economy'. Whether he does it or not is another thing. But he said it in a hell of a better way than Hillary's pathetic attempt.
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I can't believe at some of the comments. You guys elected Trump by selecting Hillary - The least you could do is apologize.
A 74 year old man who has fought for the same ideas & who said he only contested because no strong progressives did, who fought on ideas with 0 spend on negative ads, who tried to create a movement instead of winning the presidency - Someone who was screwed by the Dems in a rigged contest like Leaked questions, few debates in bad slots, Super-Delegates, Collusion with the media to skewer him, etc.
Yet this guy goes running throughout the country all day campaigning for Hillary. The guy who asked nothing for him like Hillary did with Secretary of State but only wanted policies.
Let us be clear - Hillary won historic lows among Republicans - They hate her - I don't know what the socialism voodoo will do because clearly Bernie is a moderate in a European context, he won't even qualify there as left wing.
Bernie was the most electable candidate with huge HUGE wins over independents, 3 to 1 or 4 to 1. He would have energized the base. The only age category which Hillary won was millennials & Bernie would have routed with the millennials with a big turnout.
Biden has 0 charisma or appeal, voted for the Iraq War & is the face of a horrible economic status with a collapsing Obamacare
A 74 year old man who has fought for the same ideas & who said he only contested because no strong progressives did, who fought on ideas with 0 spend on negative ads, who tried to create a movement instead of winning the presidency - Someone who was screwed by the Dems in a rigged contest like Leaked questions, few debates in bad slots, Super-Delegates, Collusion with the media to skewer him, etc.
Yet this guy goes running throughout the country all day campaigning for Hillary. The guy who asked nothing for him like Hillary did with Secretary of State but only wanted policies.
Let us be clear - Hillary won historic lows among Republicans - They hate her - I don't know what the socialism voodoo will do because clearly Bernie is a moderate in a European context, he won't even qualify there as left wing.
Bernie was the most electable candidate with huge HUGE wins over independents, 3 to 1 or 4 to 1. He would have energized the base. The only age category which Hillary won was millennials & Bernie would have routed with the millennials with a big turnout.
Biden has 0 charisma or appeal, voted for the Iraq War & is the face of a horrible economic status with a collapsing Obamacare
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RealGunner wrote:Far left is as bad as far right. If the recent events have taught us anything, people are tired of neoliberalism and Hillary's attempt at that was a joke. DNC screwed themselves out of the elections. Left in the USA can blame Trump supporters as much as they want but in the end it was DNC as a whole who let them down.
This is the best article I have read post-election. Everything I agree with 100%.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate?CMP=share_btn_tw
As CB said earlier, Not all Trump supporters shared his extreme views on social values. It would be ridiculous to say that. But what most did share was Trump's rhetoric of how he is going to 'fix the economy'. Whether he does it or not is another thing. But he said it in a hell of a better way than Hillary's pathetic attempt.
That article is just spot on.
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jibers wrote:zigra wrote:Clinton has been a massive, massive failure. I can understand that people didn't want her.
But jfc I can't believe I have to read this "stop demonizing Trump voters" bs again.
Trump is a sexist. He is a racist. And a lot more. He spouted his vile stuff for months. We all know the stuff so there's no need to go into detail.
The people who voted for him were ok enough with this stuff to make him the most powerful person in the country.
You can't expect the rest to just put up with this and act like it's ok. You can't seriously expect people from a race that has been constantly insulted by Trump to just be ok with people voting for Trump. I mean WTF?
There's no excuse for racism, nor for enabling racists. Never.
Who was Trump racist to or about specifically? Mexicans and Muslims are not a race. Am I missing something?
Racism, discrimination what's the *bleep* difference
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http://ijr.com/the-political-edit/2016/11/732793-voter-turnout-tuesday-was-the-lowest-its-been-since-2000/
I have no sympathy for people who no voted and are now upset at the result.
I have no sympathy for people who no voted and are now upset at the result.
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El Gunner wrote:jibers wrote:zigra wrote:Clinton has been a massive, massive failure. I can understand that people didn't want her.
But jfc I can't believe I have to read this "stop demonizing Trump voters" bs again.
Trump is a sexist. He is a racist. And a lot more. He spouted his vile stuff for months. We all know the stuff so there's no need to go into detail.
The people who voted for him were ok enough with this stuff to make him the most powerful person in the country.
You can't expect the rest to just put up with this and act like it's ok. You can't seriously expect people from a race that has been constantly insulted by Trump to just be ok with people voting for Trump. I mean WTF?
There's no excuse for racism, nor for enabling racists. Never.
Who was Trump racist to or about specifically? Mexicans and Muslims are not a race. Am I missing something?
Racism, discrimination what's the *bleep* difference
That's the scenario of the world today, They end up sugarcoating racism with pretty, Apparently unoffensive self defensive words.
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Michael Moore names the 4 states that carried Trump to victory.
This election was a huge lesson for Democrats to never ever abandon the working class again.
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That's the joke though. Democrats...true democrats, will say they never abandoned the middle class....and what's worse.....their middle-class supporters will believe them.
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This is for rwo, hans, viva and other posters from Germany:
What's the prospect of AfD (Alternative for Germany) in the next year's parliamentary election???
What's the prospect of AfD (Alternative for Germany) in the next year's parliamentary election???
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iftikhar wrote:This is for rwo, hans, viva and other posters from Germany:
What's the prospect of AfD (Alternative for Germany) in the next year's parliamentary election???
They will get into parliament. Most likely that's it as no other party wants to work with them and they are swinging between 10 and 15% nationwide for a while now. In fact the numbers peaked at about 15% and have dropped again since then. In the most far right state of Germany they achieved slightly below 25%.
Not saying they won't get above 15% but to make an actual push they'd need something very, very big to happen.
If you're interested keep an eye on the federal election in NRW coming may as that's about a quarter of the german population voting.
BarrileteCosmico wrote:But those voters are, on the very least, apologists of racism, xenophobia, sexism & other forms of discrimination. I don't think it's an unfair criticism.CBarca wrote:But there is a huge difference between Trump and Trump supporters. What do you accomplish by reducing half of the US population to racists, sexists and transphobes?
I know Trump supporters who are outstanding people. My point is that we must look to understand why Trump had such appeal, and what we can do about it.
Although I wouldn't find it unfair to say that Clinton supporters are apologists of vested interests & something pretty close to corruption either.
^is btw exactly what I said.
I never said that every Trump voter is a harcore racist, sexist, etc but that at least they enabled one.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-protests-in-us-231165
Democracy for you. Get in the bin.
What's good of democracy if people can't accept the way it works?
Democracy for you. Get in the bin.
What's good of democracy if people can't accept the way it works?
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Yeah ridiculously stupid protests, at least they're peaceful
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Zigra's estimate sounds about correct IMO.
The far right groups are usually stronger the more eastern you go, so I really hope the people in my home state (NRW, that is) don't vote too stupidly.
But then, Hannelore Kraft (Minister President of North Rhine-Westphalia) is usually pretty well-liked and considered fairly competent as politicians go, so she will hopefully get to the helm of NRW again. (She would very likely have a bigger chance to win against Angela Merkel than e.g Sigmar Gabriel, but she already refused to run as candidate as she prefers to govern NRW.)
Zigra's estimate sounds about correct IMO.
The far right groups are usually stronger the more eastern you go, so I really hope the people in my home state (NRW, that is) don't vote too stupidly.
But then, Hannelore Kraft (Minister President of North Rhine-Westphalia) is usually pretty well-liked and considered fairly competent as politicians go, so she will hopefully get to the helm of NRW again. (She would very likely have a bigger chance to win against Angela Merkel than e.g Sigmar Gabriel, but she already refused to run as candidate as she prefers to govern NRW.)
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Looks like they think democracy hasn't won as Trump got less votes than Clinton in the popular vote.Myesyats wrote:What's good of democracy if people can't accept the way it works?
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It actually IS a good question how good a system is that grants basically full power to the side that is backed by just about half the population regardless of who won this time.
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Electoral college is unprecdently retarded. It always has been. Good for people that they're protesting.
The US system basically makes minority states within states useless, which in itself is very undemocratic. In a democracy every vote should count, and they simply do not count in this system.
It was a problem in 2000 and it still is.
It's a huge problem for me. Another things that's also horrible is the two-party system, which really should end. Make more parties and allow for coalitions between parties. Combining these solutions would result in more politics to benefit the people, because every vote would now count, instead of only the majorities in each state. It would also offer more opportunities for different political views.
The US system basically makes minority states within states useless, which in itself is very undemocratic. In a democracy every vote should count, and they simply do not count in this system.
It was a problem in 2000 and it still is.
It's a huge problem for me. Another things that's also horrible is the two-party system, which really should end. Make more parties and allow for coalitions between parties. Combining these solutions would result in more politics to benefit the people, because every vote would now count, instead of only the majorities in each state. It would also offer more opportunities for different political views.
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4th time it happens that a president wins with less votes, and this time with a bigger margin than its been for decades (only the first instance of the 4 has a bigger margin of loss than Trump). The system is shit, extremely outdated.
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In response to protests and the outrage in general...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzz6gx09zLM
Why aren't people more like this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzz6gx09zLM
Why aren't people more like this guy?
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This is really tough to see tbh.
Yesterday during lunch at Royal Oak Middle School in Royal Oak Michigan, white students loudly chanted BUILD THE WALL, BUILD THE WALL. pic.twitter.com/dfqU2xnMvZ
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