Re: EURO 2016 France - R16 - France Vs Republic of Ireland

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:55 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Yeah absolutely. And thankfully, Rami is suspended for the next game. Since Kante is also suspended, you're going to see the same lineup as the 2nd half imo.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:58 am

Coman

As if Juve got rid of for Simeone Padoin rofl

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:58 am

cant wait to see deschamps bring back 433 because he will be scared of ingurland next game though :rolf: i know he wont disappoint

by Adit Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:59 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:02 am

Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.

They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:04 am

Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.

It's much better than the completely pointless trio of Matuidi-Kante-Pogba though.

by Adit Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:06 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough

I disagree. They can do with a passer in midfield. Wingers dropping deep is not the solution, that would only bring more pressure.

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:06 am

the most important part is that you're not asking to Pogba to be what he is not: a playmaking CM. He's absolutely not that. With him, he either needs to attack as a B2B or he needs to play deep. Today, he was asked to attack as as a B2B in the first half, which he did well. But more importantly, you saw what he can do when he's asked to play the holding ball and play simply.

Playing Matuidi on the right was completely retarded though Laughing

by Adit Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:07 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.

It's much better than the completely pointless trio of Matuidi-Kante-Pogba though.

That's true.

And their best playmaker Cabaye is not even called up.

Give it to Deschamps for calling up too much similar players.

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:07 am

Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point. With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.

by Mr Nick09 Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:09 am

Adit wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:
Adit wrote:

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough

I disagree. They can do with a passer in midfield. Wingers dropping deep is not the solution, that would only bring more pressure.

Of course if they had a playmaker ala gundogan it would be perfect but they dont. And frankly it's not needed. Atletico played Tiago-gabi in midfield and had no troubles winning games.

matuidi-kante-pogba is midfield retard tbh

cabaye is not up to par, so playing him just because he is a supposed "plymaker" is not worth it

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:11 am

sportsczy wrote:Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point. With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.

Agreed, surprised you don't go long to the striker ( i know it's frowned upon but still Laughing

) more often. I had visions of that 2nd goal happening more often with this team tbh, but it hasn't so far.

by S Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:13 am

Coman's end product was terrible. What you on about Mole

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:14 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
sportsczy wrote:Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point. With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.
Agreed, surprised you don't go long to the striker ( i know it's frowned upon but still ) more often. I had visions of that 2nd goal happening more often with this team tbh, but it hasn't so far.

In a 433, Griezmann isn't close enough to Giroud and he's wide. In the 4231 (which can easily become a 442 with Sissoko instead of Coman btw), the spacing and movements are more aligned to this sort of play.

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:15 am

Coman was incredible... what happens is that he destabilizes everything and the defenders are scrambled. As a result, all the other players have a ton of space.

He was the difference in the game tbh. Griezmann took advantage.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:16 am

S wrote:Coman's end product was terrible. What you on about Mole

Doesn't matter, he changed the game because direct play and and pace allowed space to open up for everybody else.

End product rofl

by zenmaster Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:58 am

Coman does awesome job of creating space and provide descent cross around the third half. He will eventually improve with the more times he gets.

by sportsczy Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:05 am

Against a tried defense, Coman is absolutely lethal with his pace... right now, that's the best way to use him. Once his technique and end product improves, he becomes a starter and elite player imo.

by RealGunner Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:11 am

Giroud plays like a different guy for France. Really fought hard today

by M99 Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:29 am

Grease-man :bow:

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