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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:55 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.

Yeah absolutely. And thankfully, Rami is suspended for the next game. Since Kante is also suspended, you're going to see the same lineup as the 2nd half imo.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:58 am

Coman :bow:

As if Juve got rid of for Simeone Padoin rofl
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:58 am

cant wait to see deschamps bring back 433 because he will be scared of ingurland next game though :rolf: i know he wont disappoint
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Post by Adit Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:59 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.


Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:02 am

@Adit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.


Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:04 am

@Adit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.


Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.


It's much better than the completely pointless trio of Matuidi-Kante-Pogba though.
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Post by Adit Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:06 am

@Mr Nick09 wrote:
@Adit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.


Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough

I disagree. They can do with a passer in midfield. Wingers dropping deep is not the solution, that would only bring more pressure.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:06 am

the most important part is that you're not asking to Pogba to be what he is not: a playmaking CM. He's absolutely not that. With him, he either needs to attack as a B2B or he needs to play deep. Today, he was asked to attack as as a B2B in the first half, which he did well. But more importantly, you saw what he can do when he's asked to play the holding ball and play simply.

Playing Matuidi on the right was completely retarded though Laughing
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Post by Adit Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:07 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@Adit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:this is the best version of france in this tournament. Griezmann behind the CF with freedom, Payet on the left moving inside, COman attacking the right, Pogba doing the job in midfield.


Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.


It's much better than the completely pointless trio of Matuidi-Kante-Pogba though.


That's true.

And their best playmaker Cabaye is not even called up.

Give it to Deschamps for calling up too much similar players.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:07 am

Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point. With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:09 am

@Adit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:
@Adit wrote:

Doubt it. Ireland played a 5 at back so there was no midfield contest. Against big teams pogba-matiudi lacks a passer, a play maker. Plus both of them are susceptible to turn overs in deep position. Drop one off them for a actual playmaker if they are going 442.
They dont need a playmaker, they can play together just fine. There is going to be Payet and Griezmann dropping deep to pick up the ball, that's enough

I disagree. They can do with a passer in midfield. Wingers dropping deep is not the solution, that would only bring more pressure.
Of course if they had a playmaker ala gundogan it would be perfect but they dont. And frankly it's not needed. Atletico played Tiago-gabi in midfield and had no troubles winning games.

matuidi-kante-pogba is midfield retard tbh

cabaye is not up to par, so playing him just because he is a supposed "plymaker" is not worth it
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:11 am

@sportsczy wrote:Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point. With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.


Agreed, surprised you don't go long to the striker ( i know it's frowned upon but still Laughing ) more often. I had visions of that 2nd goal happening more often with this team tbh, but it hasn't so far.

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Post by S Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:13 am

Coman's end product was terrible. What you on about Mole
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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:14 am

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
@sportsczy wrote:Griezmann and Payet are plenty good creating play with Coman bringing speed/dribbling and Giroud bringing the muscle/focal point.  With Matuidi and Pogba as the double pivot, there are not problems.
Agreed, surprised you don't go long to the striker ( i know it's frowned upon but still Laughing ) more often. I had visions of that 2nd goal happening more often with this team tbh, but it hasn't so far.
In a 433, Griezmann isn't close enough to Giroud and he's wide.  In the 4231 (which can easily become a 442 with Sissoko instead of Coman btw), the spacing and movements are more aligned to this sort of play.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:15 am

Coman was incredible... what happens is that he destabilizes everything and the defenders are scrambled. As a result, all the other players have a ton of space.

He was the difference in the game tbh. Griezmann took advantage.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:16 am

@S wrote:Coman's end product was terrible. What you on about Mole


Doesn't matter, he changed the game because direct play and and pace allowed space to open up for everybody else.

End product rofl
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Post by zenmaster Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:58 am

Coman does awesome job of creating space and provide descent cross around the third half. He will eventually improve with the more times he gets.
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Post by sportsczy Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:05 pm

Against a tried defense, Coman is absolutely lethal with his pace... right now, that's the best way to use him. Once his technique and end product improves, he becomes a starter and elite player imo.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:11 pm

Giroud plays like a different guy for France. Really fought hard today
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Post by M99 Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:29 pm

Grease-man :bow:
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