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Post by Adit Mon May 30, 2016 6:30 am

Zidane wins cl in his debut season.. Only a few like pep ,Di Matteo etc can boast such a record.

So is Zidane a tactically astute manager like pep who will become the best in the world in years to come or just another flash in the pan like Di Matteo ?
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Post by sportsczy Mon May 30, 2016 7:18 am

We never parked the bus Adit... we actually had more possession in every single game in CL. It's a crap comparison.

The world isn't black or white. There is more to the world of football than total football v ptb.
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Post by Ion Creanga Mon May 30, 2016 7:22 am

Laughing
he beat a bunch of mediocres till the finals... Unlike Di Matteo or Pep.
Let's see him in a full season.
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Post by sportsczy Mon May 30, 2016 7:32 am

So the win against Barca at Camp Nou counts for nothing? The 13 game La Liga winning streak that included Barca, Villareal, Sevilla, etc.?

You realize that La Liga is in fact tough as hell.
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Post by MaraVilla Mon May 30, 2016 7:50 am

Even a dysfunctional Valencia managed to beat Barcelona during that April.

Will wait until Zizou completes a full season before judging.
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Post by sportsczy Mon May 30, 2016 7:54 am

The losing streak started with the loss to Madrid from what I recall... it was the game that Barca's record home and overall winning streak was broken.

Keep trying though Laughing
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon May 30, 2016 8:26 am

He's neither Pep nor Di Matteo. He's not a brilliant tactician but he's a good man manager. I think he has done enough for us to at least give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being, and I also think he hasn't done enough for us to believe he's a good tactician. So we'll have to wait I guess.

I'm extremely grateful for him for giving us the CL after a tumultuous season.

You'll have the answer to your question at the end of next year or possibly sooner.
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Post by Valkyrja Mon May 30, 2016 8:30 am

It's hard to judge him yet. I still can't rate him neither his tactical abilities or man management skills. The players respect him to death, but I think that's more based on his name rather than his ability.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon May 30, 2016 8:45 am

I agree. He hasn't been long enough for us to accurately judge to which side of the spectrum he belongs.

Basically, he can either build an empire with Real Madrid or get fired by December next year. We'll see.
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Post by McAgger Mon May 30, 2016 9:09 am

He's Zippo.

He's neither Zep nor Zi Matteo.
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Post by Ion Creanga Mon May 30, 2016 9:24 am

sportsczy wrote:So the win against Barca at Camp Nou counts for nothing? The 13 game La Liga winning streak that included Barca, Villareal, Sevilla, etc.?

You realize that La Liga is in fact tough as hell.


Actually i think they count more than the road to the final. I guess Barca, Villareal and Sevilla are tougher than City, Roma and Wolfsburg. Still need more time to form an opinion
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Post by Casciavit Mon May 30, 2016 10:30 am

He isn't either. He's not a revolutionary like Pep nor is he a flash in the pan like Di Matteo.

Although Madrid's road to the finals was piss easy and they won the cup due to penalties, Zidane definitely deserves credit. Benitez would not have gotten them this far, that's for sure.

Zidane did what he needed to do. He reorganised the team, to their best qualities, and most importantly searched for balance rather than playing star names. Alongside him restructuring the team, the players bought into his ideas.  He didn't tinker with the team offensively because he really didn't need to. Attacking has always been more about the individuals working out the best solution rather than the coach telling them what to do. It isn't like defending where you can train how to cover spaces and all that.

He deserves credit for what he did this season. I guess next season the onus will be for him to establish an identity at Madrid, while maintaining results.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Mon May 30, 2016 11:15 am

Zenrique?
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Post by guest_07 Mon May 30, 2016 11:28 am

or perhaps he will become zirinho?

we will see

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Post by Unique Mon May 30, 2016 11:36 am

ZZ will be sacked by christmas
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Post by McAgger Mon May 30, 2016 11:38 am

He's Zavid Brent, confirmed.
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Post by M99 Mon May 30, 2016 12:12 pm

Zapello imo
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Post by Kaladin Mon May 30, 2016 12:14 pm

Zippi
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon May 30, 2016 12:17 pm

Casciavit wrote:He isn't either. He's not a revolutionary like Pep nor is he a flash in the pan like Di Matteo.

Although Madrid's road to the finals was piss easy and they won the cup due to penalties, Zidane definitely deserves credit. Benitez would not have gotten them this far, that's for sure.

Zidane did what he needed to do. He reorganised the team, to their best qualities, and most importantly searched for balance rather than playing star names. Alongside him restructuring the team, the players bought into his ideas.  He didn't tinker with the team offensively because he really didn't need to. Attacking has always been more about the individuals working out the best solution rather than the coach telling them what to do. It isn't like defending where you can train how to cover spaces and all that.

He deserves credit for what he did this season. I guess next season the onus will be for him to establish an identity at Madrid, while maintaining results.


He couldn't have beaten Roma, Wolfsburg and Man City? i have a hard time believing that tbh. Once the final happens then anything can happen.

Mostly agree with the rest of the post however.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon May 30, 2016 12:37 pm

I'm pretty sure Roma, Wolfsburg and City are stronger than Neville's Valencia.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon May 30, 2016 12:40 pm

Everyone knows the CL and league are totally different, let's not compare them.

I don't need to list the amount of teams that have gone far or even won the CL while doing absolutely dogshit in the league because i'll be here all day.
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Post by RealGunner Mon May 30, 2016 12:52 pm

Rafa would have easily gotten Madrid into the final based on tactics. However the problem was that the players lost all belief and confidence and they needed someone like Zidane to restore that. That's more or less the only difference between pre-zidane and zidane.

And ofcourse not playing Danilo as often.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon May 30, 2016 12:54 pm

Casciavit wrote:Although Madrid's road to the finals was piss easy and they won the cup due to penalties, Zidane definitely deserves credit. Benitez would not have gotten them this far, that's for sure.
You really think Benitez would not have been able to make it to the final with that line up? He had a good record in the CL group (5 1 0) and generally a very good record in that competition. I'm sure he wouldn't have had an issue with Roma, Wolfsburg and City.


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Post by Adit Mon May 30, 2016 1:00 pm

Benitez lmao

Why are you sure about that when it was To Ronaldos goals that helped over come both Roma and Wolfsburg ?

Ronaldo was walking disaster under Rafa ..(to get him sacked) ... What are the chances of that disaster scoring hatrick when 2-0 down?

You need actually get players play on the pitch not on the paper.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Mon May 30, 2016 1:04 pm

Because Wolfsburg and Roma are rubbish lol, i'd like to think most managers would beat them.
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