Re: The Official WWE Thread - Part 27

[Kaladin]

I like Enzo but like RG said he wont be above midcard

[RealGunner]

Thought they would change Rollins. But seems like they are carrying with his chickenshit heel gimmick... which is weird.

Will be interesting to see what crowd does when he loses the next two PPV

[Onyx]

Rollins only got that reaction because he's a guy that everyone's familiar with who returned after a long time. Enzo gets huge reactions 2 months after his debut because he's insanely charismatic, which seems to be a lost trait in main eventers in 2016.

[zizzle]

Enzo's stick will get old soon

[Onyx]

Guessing Gall is a midcarder in UFC. Never heard of him.

It looks like CM Punk’s UFC debut is back on for this summer. Punk’s scheduled opponent Mickey Gall noted on Instagram that he heard the fight will happen “late summer” but no official date has been set.

We recently noted how a production crew was filming Gall, indicating that UFC was putting money into the fight and that it was probably happening in the near future.

Gall posted the following:

Some more light sparring w @ljreboli. Gonna be more active on social media. Let me know what you guys wanna see. Love hearing from ya. Btw I hear I’m fighting Punk late summer. No official date yet I’ll let u know when I know. @frederickchevrolet @fujisportsus

[Jay29]

Enzo is the next Road Dogg by the looks of things. Fantastic mic worker, but doesn't offer much in the ring. Which is fine because you can stick him in a stable and let him be the mouthpiece.

Cass will get a big push, no doubt about it.

[Casciavit]

Dave Meltzer said WWE view Dana Brooke as the female Roman Reigns and that they plan to push her to the moon.

[M99]

Dave Meltzer said WWE view Dana Brooke as the female Roman Reigns and that they plan to push her to the moon.

Oh god...

[M99]

smackdown spoilers:

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Enzo is the next Road Dogg by the looks of things. Fantastic mic worker, but doesn't offer much in the ring. Which is fine because you can stick him in a stable and let him be the mouthpiece.

Cass will get a big push, no doubt about it.

Road Dogg is a fantastic comparison actually.

[RealGunner]

smackdown spoilers:

Can't see it

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Yeah I think Cena will be in his own thing, what ever that is.

[Onyx]

I disagree that Enzo is Road Dogg. Rock was basically a catchphrase machine back in the attitude era. Enzo is the one who's over, not Cass. Plus back in the attitude era you had like 10 other great charismatic characters who were better than Road Dogg.

Right now Enzo is one of the most over and charismatic guys on the roster. I'd rather watch him over Reigns and Rollins who put me to sleep with their generic and dull promos.

It's time to relegate the charisma vacuums back to the midcard and put the charismatic entertainers back on top like it was in the attitude era. Guys like Sami Zayn, Styles, Rollins and other workrrate guys would be in the light heavyweight division in the attitude era. They wouldn't have had a sniff of the main event scene because it was all about character and charisma.

[Jay29]

So what if there were "10 other great charismatic characters better than Road Dogg"? Road Dogg still had a great career and everyone remembers who he was and what he did as part of DX/New Age Outlaws. Enzo would be fortunate to have a career as good as that.

Reducing Rock to just a catchphrase machine doesn't help your comparison at all. Rock was athletic and a great in-ring performer, and highly creative on the mic. Enzo has the catchphrases but little more than that. I daresay that's the reason why he was paired with Cass to begin with. You say that Cass isn't over, which is plain wrong - he's a big part of that whole act.

Cass will get a push because he's everything Vince likes in a wrestler.

And we keep saying this but mic skills aren't enough to main event. I don't think many of the big stars of the attitude era were pushed on the strength of their mic skills, except maybe Jericho.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

I don't think MT gets this lol, as good as you may think Enzo is on the mic he will never be good enough to main event.

As much as you put down ring work it matters and he sucks in the ring. He spends most of his time getting beat up or thrown across the ring by Cass lol.


As much we discredit Cena and now Reigns for 5 moves of doom lulz they are both light years ahead of him in that department.

[Onyx]

So what if there were "10 other great charismatic characters better than Road Dogg"? Road Dogg still had a great career and everyone remembers who he was and what he did as part of DX/New Age Outlaws. Enzo would be fortunate to have a career as good as that.

Reducing Rock to just a catchphrase machine doesn't help your comparison at all. Rock was athletic and a great in-ring performer, and highly creative on the mic. Enzo has the catchphrases but little more than that. I daresay that's the reason why he was paired with Cass to begin with. You say that Cass isn't over, which is plain wrong - he's a big part of that whole act.

Cass will get a push because he's everything Vince likes in a wrestler.

And we keep saying this but mic skills aren't enough to main event. I don't think many of the big stars of the attitude era were pushed on the strength of their mic skills, except maybe Jericho.

Road Dogg wasn't a top guy because there were better entertainers than him. Rock, Austin, Foley, HHH, Jericho, Kane, Undertaker, Angle and others.

Enzo is one of the top entertainers in the company currently.

Enzo isn't just catchphrases though. He's said a lot of stuff in addition to his catchphrases. It's clear as day Enzo is the one who's over. When Cass comes out, his reaction is pretty average. When he pointed towards Enzo on RAW, the crowd went nuts. Cass is Enzo's sidekick. Enzo is the better talker and way more charismatic.

The stars in the attitude era were pushed because of their charisma and personality. It definitely wasn't ringwork. The attitude era had 2* matches by Meltzer standards. Austin mainly kicked and punched for the most part. Workrate never draws. Characters and charisma do.

[Onyx]

I don't think MT gets this lol, as good as you may think Enzo is on the mic he will never be good enough to main event.

As much as you put down ring work it matters and he sucks in the ring. He spends most of his time getting beat up or thrown across the ring by Cass lol.


As much we discredit Cena and now Reigns for 5 moves of doom lulz they are both light years ahead of him in that department.

Reigns started off with what, like 3 moves? He's improved throughout his run as the top guy. I'm sure Enzo would do the same. You don't need a 100 different moves to be a top guy. Being good in the ring is more about psychology and storytelling.

[Jay29]

Road Dogg wasn't a top guy because there were better entertainers than him. Rock, Austin, Foley, HHH, Jericho, Kane, Undertaker, Angle and others.

I didn't call Road Dogg a top guy

The stars in the attitude era were pushed because of their charisma and personality. It definitely wasn't ringwork. The attitude era had 2* matches by Meltzer standards. Austin mainly kicked and punched for the most part. Workrate never draws. Characters and charisma do.

You don't need a 100 different moves to be a top guy. Being good in the ring is more about psychology and storytelling.

That second thing is what they had. Not just charisma. It's a big reason behind their sustained success.

Also, workrate never draws? Daniel Bryan, anyone? How about Benoit and Guerrero?

[Tomwin Lannister]

Enzo doesn't exactly have masterful psychology or storytelling lol he just sells because he's the whipping boy in his matches until he hot tags Cass.

Anybody can get ragdolled for 80% of a match.

[silver]

But what's Enzo's gimmick?!?!?!????

[RealGunner]

Still think it's an Aztec Warrior

[RealGunner]

WWE’s ‘Smackdown’ Will Move To Live Broadcast On USA

“Smackdown,” which moved to the NBCUniversal-owned outlet from sister Syfy in January, will be broadcast live for two hours every week starting Tuesday, July 19, from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m., resulting in five hours of live WWE programming on the network each week.

[Great Leader Sprucenuce]

Good I suppose.

[Onyx]

Road Dogg wasn't a top guy because there were better entertainers than him. Rock, Austin, Foley, HHH, Jericho, Kane, Undertaker, Angle and others.

I didn't call Road Dogg a top guy

The stars in the attitude era were pushed because of their charisma and personality. It definitely wasn't ringwork. The attitude era had 2* matches by Meltzer standards. Austin mainly kicked and punched for the most part. Workrate never draws. Characters and charisma do.

You don't need a 100 different moves to be a top guy. Being good in the ring is more about psychology and storytelling.

That second thing is what they had. Not just charisma. It's a big reason behind their sustained success.

Also, workrate never draws? Daniel Bryan, anyone? How about Benoit and Guerrero?

No, I was just saying Road Dogg had better entertainers ahead him, which is why there was no reason for him to be at the top. Enzo's more entertaining than a lot of main eventers today.

Yeh, sure, the attitude era top guys had psychology. But what I'm saying is they weren't pushed because of that. They were pushed primarily due to their charisma and personality. The IWC were harping on Reigns for his ringwork when he was initially pushed, but he's improved a hell of a lot since then. The guy had 3 moves to begin with.

I'm not saying Enzo has to be shoved into the main event scene immediately. Once he breaks up from Cass, build him up gradually. Let him develop his moveset. However he doesn't need to be 5* Meltzer worker to be a top guy. I'm sure he can develop an acceptable moveset.

Like I said though, I wouldn't be surprised if they buried him considering charisma and mic skills are an afterthought nowadays. Even though the guys who get super over nowadays and entertain the most have charisma and/or mic skills. Workrate, having the look and being a HHH/Vince guy is far more important in this day and age.

[Jonathan28]

I just saw this news of the reddit page and it seems like it's going to be another brand split, which I don't mind tbh.

[Jonathan28]

OOOOOO, there's going to be a draft. Can't wait for this boys, I used to love those draft episodes.

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