Simeone's Atleti tenure holds much more water than Pep's Barca years

Inheriting a squad of perennial losers, haven't beaten Madrid for 14 years or something, harsh environment. He didnt reinvent the team, he reinvented the club, look at how he just beat Barca despite losing to them for the past 10 games or whatever.

I'd judge him more when he beats bigger teams than Barca. Barca couldn't win against a 3rd division team in current form.

Not the biggest fan of his style completely, but what a manager.

2nd to Pep IMHO.

is just a fualt of Barca. They were totally in loss of form in the last period.

They would have no chance against the best Barca

nah barca from 2008 to 12 was on another planet no team could even touch the ball

It's very impressive.

But until he wins multiple Champions League's and plays the best football that has ever been witnessed, he shouldn't be compared to Pep. Pep and his Barca team is on another planet entirely

Not comparing accomplishments but what both have done for their respective teams relative to their resources and recent history (before them taking over)

What Simeone has done is incredible. Winning the league alone is one of the greatest achievements of modern football and he's done so much more than just that.

Agreed completely ES.

I think that what Simeone has done is incredible and winning the league with the squad he had was amazing. I think that as far as managerial achievements go, Simeone's Atletico is top two, I definitely agree with that.

Still, it's not comparable to Barca. What Pep's Barca team did will take a long time to repeat, if it ever happens. The football they played too was simply phenomenal. They're on two separate levels. I see your argument about what they've done for their respective teams but trophies and accomplishments count, and you can't throw them out.

Simeone has been incredible. I wonder how long he will stay at Atletico.

i agree, and i've always said that about him. not because of today, even if his team lost i'd still say he's a brilliant coach. forget about the fact he didn't inherit a good squad, nor millions of euros, nor a club with ambition, nor a responsible club...forget all that, being able to rejuvenate the side, after losing guys like forlan kun falcao diego costa, and constantly replacing them, whilst still managing the squad he has...you have to give the man his props. a brilliant coach who is probably undervalued because of his team's style and lack of catch phrases.....or maybe people now notice him as i hear many fans wanting him at their clubs

CBarca wrote:It's very impressive.

But until he wins multiple Champions League's and plays the best football that has ever been witnessed, he shouldn't be compared to Pep. Pep and his Barca team is on another planet entirely

Wasn't Luchelona better than Pepcelona ?

What Simeone has done with Atletico is incredible, turning a scrub club into a serious contender for leagues and champions leagues.

That said, does anyone like how Atletico plays?

I'm all for solid and defensive football but he takes it to the extreme. Mou at his worst (or best) wasn't like that. Mou's teams were never so destructive, it was a slightly more proactive form of defense and tried to push forward a lot more. His teams usually play with 3 forwards and an AM. Simeone just parks it and breaks up play. His first leg tactics against Barca (before the red card) was the most interesting game I've seen him play and an exception from the norm.

The Juve-Atletico game was the most frustrating game for us in a long time. Same feeling probably for Madrid and Barca fans.

When Simeone eventually plays in a club with top resources, can/would he change his game? Will he be the antichrist of football?

Wont buy into the hype until he does it again with Inter

you can't expect him to play open attractive with the team that he has and some of the opponents he faces. and atleti don't always play this way, when they face us or barcelona, then they go to the extreme with it....but hey, they want to win. trying to appease fans who don't even support your team is totally losing the plot. we should also ask when other coaches play teams with less resources can they change their game (or rather if they ever coach, not when).....you make changes based on what suits you, not just to appease the general public

titosantill wrote:you can't expect him to play open attractive with the team that he has and some of the opponents he faces. and atleti don't always play this way, when they face us or barcelona, then they go to the extreme with it....but hey, they want to win. trying to appease fans who don't even support your team is totally losing the plot. we should also ask when other coaches play teams with less resources can they change their game (or rather if they ever coach, not when).....you make changes based on what suits you, not just to appease the general public

No, I guess I didn't explain myself properly. I love what he is doing. Watching his club go into the top rounds is great. He shouldn't compromise his success at Atletico at all. I meant for his future as coach.

We are all loving him for what he does, me included, I want him to win the CL. But then when coaches play such a style in a team with top resources (rich clubs or stacked NTs) they tend be criticized a lot by tons of fans. Mourinho, Dunga, Capello, Sabella, Conte, etc. Simeone takes even further to the extreme than these guys. I was just wondering if he'll be so liked still, or if he is capable and willing to adjusting.

oh, that i don't know. one doesn't know unless it happens, and it depends on how he wants to build. i obviously do NOT want him to win ucl. but i think another reason he's admired is based largely on his opponents; a lot of teams, fans, pundits etc dislike us (real madrid), same goes for barcelona; such clubs attract fans and detractors from wide audiences. when you've got a coach who troubles them, regardless of the footy, he's bound to gain some fans......

i don't think madrid (real) fans particularly like him, i've never despised atleti so i guess i don't have the same kind of dislike....i hate barca, valencia, mallorca, osasuna, more than atleti (who i have little problems with). and i don't care for depor either. he'll be liked or disliked based on a lot of other things than footy alone i think

sk3ptical wrote:nah barca from 2008 to 12 was on another planet no team could even touch the ball

Except Inter.

To 2012? 2011-12 season they only won the Copa Del Rey. Madrid won the league with a 9 point lead. Hardly untouchable.

M99 wrote:To 2012? 2011-12 season they only won the Copa Del Rey. Madrid won the league with a 9 point lead. Hardly untouchable.

Cesc Fabregas-less adjusted Barca would have easily won the league that year as well.

Simeone was fired as Catania manager at one point. Catania is in Serie B now. LOL

On contribution to football Pep is clearly far more important, let's be honest here he made the Spanish game main stream.

Working with the resources though, simeone trumps Pep easily.MSN with their fraudulent taxes earns more than entire Atletico combined. What he is achieving with quarter of the budget of Barcelona, less than AC Milan is nothing short of mind blowing.

He's proven to be an actual good coach not just with Atletico but also with Estudiantes LP. Only Klopp or Mourinho have been able to do something similar with teams of similar build. Miles above Pep or Luis Enrique, definitely.