CL QF / Barcelona vs Atletico Madrid

Excuse me for busting the bubble but PSG and City have just recently started playing possession (and they are not Barca's level if I might add freely) and have way less games in CL compared to Barca. Actually those two prove my point. The only odd ones are Bayern and perhaps RM but RM were never that much possession based team anyhow. Take a look at Arsenal as well, playing possession much earlier than PSG and City but almost never going past 16 and they have 18 sending offs. Arsenal played possession football much more constantly than Bayern and thus gets a really hight sending offs in contrast to the number of games played. It makes sense, really. I am not saying a number of those sending offs were not dives, but every team gets dives. Barca just plays a type of football that puts other team in situations to make more mistakes.

However, I will not continue with further discussions on this point as clearly you have made up your mind. So yeah, if being delusional lets you sleep at night, so be it!

Most of Barcas posession is concentrated at the half way line where teams want them. Again I will take City as an example because I have watched them more than the other two. Averagine what 65/70% possession but no red cards or penalties. I am not talking about the total number just what they have had this season compared to Barca or last season compared to Barca. And its not even close. I have seen countless of times in CL Marcelo getting fouled in the box and being asked to get up. Barca usually get those because they are experts at milking every single foul legit or not. Neymar, Suarez, Busquets, Alves and Alba would roll around three fold at slight contact. Imagine if Torres had lashed out like Suarez did against Alves. It would have been goodbye for a couple of seasons Torres. Suarez also gets away with so much violence in games and its all off the ball. Marcherano has to make at least 20 fouls before getting a card. Does he get away because Barca have so much posession the reff misses it or because reffs are human

https://twitter.com/carlosAtMad/status/717456171402194946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

another one from suarez. added to the infinite collection

Dude has a mental problem. Hope Uefa take action. A guy like that should not play in a CL game

lets say you have 80% possession other team have 20%. 80/20=4. other team will do 4 times more tackles than barcelona. actually their job will be to get the ball whole game as they have the ball only 20% and getting ball from such high level magicians requires some serious dirty work

All the sore people.

Suarez deserved a red, Busquets is a long stretch. Still, Atletico's Lucas also deserved a red and they could have gotten some other. It doesn't matter because a 10v10 or a 10v9 would be better for us than an 11vs11. What woulda, shoulda, etc is irrelevant.

If by Agustus you mean Agusto Fernandez then you're more delusional than I thought and not worth talking to. Watch Fernandez tackle on Alves again--he came in studs up in a scissoring motion with his legs above the ground. He was lucky to escape with a yellow and the commentators mentioned this as well.

Alves deserves credit for not making a big deal out of it, actually.

free_cat wrote:All the sore people.

Suarez deserved a red, Busquets is a long stretch. Still, Atletico's Lucas also deserved a red and they could have gotten some other. It doesn't matter because a 10v10 or a 10v9 would be better for us than an 11vs11. What woulda, shoulda, etc is irrelevant.

Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

Thimmy wrote:

free_cat wrote:All the sore people.

Suarez deserved a red, Busquets is a long stretch. Still, Atletico's Lucas also deserved a red and they could have gotten some other. It doesn't matter because a 10v10 or a 10v9 would be better for us than an 11vs11. What woulda, shoulda, etc is irrelevant.

Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

It depends on the kind of offence. Penalties are 80% goal. A red card doesn't mean a game will be won by the opposition, neither translates into a goal. We complain about Madrid getting the most penalties ever and many of them unfair.

Also, in yesterday's game there were a couple of tackles in Atletico box that could be whistled as penalties. I'm not saying they were clear cut, but one on Messi was a penalty IMO. No talk about that?

free_cat wrote:

Thimmy wrote:

free_cat wrote:All the sore people.

Suarez deserved a red, Busquets is a long stretch. Still, Atletico's Lucas also deserved a red and they could have gotten some other. It doesn't matter because a 10v10 or a 10v9 would be better for us than an 11vs11. What woulda, shoulda, etc is irrelevant.

Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

It depends on the kind of offence. Penalties are 80% goal. A red card doesn't mean a game will be won by the opposition, neither translates into a goal. We complain about Madrid getting the most penalties ever and many of them unfair.

Also, in yesterday's game there were a couple of tackles in Atletico box that could be whistled as penalties. I'm not saying they were clear cut, but one on Messi was a penalty IMO. No talk about that?

First of all, I think nobody would choose a red card instead of a penalty. Second of all, haven't Barcelona got around 20 penalties this season ?

Let's be real, it would have taken 270 minutes for your team to score against a 11-men Pathetico.

free_cat wrote:

Thimmy wrote:

free_cat wrote:All the sore people.

Suarez deserved a red, Busquets is a long stretch. Still, Atletico's Lucas also deserved a red and they could have gotten some other. It doesn't matter because a 10v10 or a 10v9 would be better for us than an 11vs11. What woulda, shoulda, etc is irrelevant.

Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

It depends on the kind of offence. Penalties are 80% goal. A red card doesn't mean a game will be won by the opposition, neither translates into a goal. We complain about Madrid getting the most penalties ever and many of them unfair.

Also, in yesterday's game there were a couple of tackles in Atletico box that could be whistled as penalties. I'm not saying they were clear cut, but one on Messi was a penalty IMO. No talk about that?

no surprise

Valkyrja wrote:

free_cat wrote:

Thimmy wrote:


Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

It depends on the kind of offence. Penalties are 80% goal. A red card doesn't mean a game will be won by the opposition, neither translates into a goal. We complain about Madrid getting the most penalties ever and many of them unfair.

Also, in yesterday's game there were a couple of tackles in Atletico box that could be whistled as penalties. I'm not saying they were clear cut, but one on Messi was a penalty IMO. No talk about that?

First of all, I think nobody would choose a red card instead of a penalty. Second of all, haven't Barcelona got around 20 penalties this season ?

Let's be real, it would have taken 270 minutes for your team to score against a 11-men Pathetico.

I don't think so, it has been shown that a 10 man park the bus is not more ineffective than an 11 man park the bus. It was the change in gear that made it, not the 1 man down.

Valkyrja wrote:

free_cat wrote:

Thimmy wrote:


Yet, Barca fans have, by far, the loudest voice in complaining about R. Madrid being favored by refs, post game Not to mention, all the talk about conspiracies and Spanish referees allegedly being closet Real Madrid fans

It depends on the kind of offence. Penalties are 80% goal. A red card doesn't mean a game will be won by the opposition, neither translates into a goal. We complain about Madrid getting the most penalties ever and many of them unfair.

Also, in yesterday's game there were a couple of tackles in Atletico box that could be whistled as penalties. I'm not saying they were clear cut, but one on Messi was a penalty IMO. No talk about that?

no surprise

Well, there was contact, it wasn't a dive, it was in the box... why it wasn't a penalty? Only thing is that Messi was already losing the ball, but since when it is necessary to have the ball for a penalty to be called? It isn't.

Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

free_cat wrote:Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

Coward for securing a 2-1 result in the first leg ? it could have been 3-0 before Torres had been send off.

Valkyrja wrote:

free_cat wrote:Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

Coward for securing a 2-1 result in the first leg ? it could have been 3-0 before Torres had been send off.

Yes, coward.

Stay on topic.

Deleting your post Valk, as it adds nothing to the discussion and will only further provoke the situation. Please do not make similar posts.

free_cat wrote:Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

free_cat wrote:Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

He has always been a defensive coach. Most of the winning coaches are so I wouldn't do anything different either.

BTW I hate when referees allow a 10v11 so early in the game. Even though that red was 100% Torres idiocy.

Take into account that a punishment against the richest clubs Madrid/Barca/Bayern, be it a penalty or red card against them, leads to heavy scrutiny and criticism of the referee meanwhile the same punishment for the smaller sides such as Atletico deflects the responsibility and criticism to the big clubs.

It takes balls for a referee to red card high priority players in  important knockout games, especially as that player miss the second leg.

free_cat wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

free_cat wrote:Also, is no one going to comment on Simeone's cowardice? Dude subbed off ALL his forwards. He subbed of his best forward Carrasco first, then Griezman, and ended playing with a 4-5, with 5 defence minded midfielder. Ridiculous.

Coward for securing a 2-1 result in the first leg ? it could have been 3-0 before Torres had been send off.

Yes, coward.

He should have subbed in Correa for Godin, so you guys have more chance to score another goal.

TPSPriceless wrote:Take into account that a punishment against the richest clubs Madrid/Barca/Bayern, be it a penalty or red card against them, leads to heavy scrutiny and criticism of the referee meanwhile the same punishment for the smaller sides such as Atletico deflects the responsibility and criticism to the big clubs.

It takes balls for a referee to red card high priority players in  important knockout games, especially as that player miss the second leg.

Agreed. I wish referees applied the same mentality against small teams like bigger teams. Would make for better games IMO.

Claudio84 wrote:

free_cat wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:



Coward for securing a 2-1 result in the first leg ? it could have been 3-0 before Torres had been send off.

Yes, coward.

He should have subbed in Correa for Godin, so you guys have more chance to score another goal.

are you really pretending that playing a 4-5-0 for almost twenty minutes is not ridiculous?

free_cat wrote:

Claudio84 wrote:

free_cat wrote:


Yes, coward.

He should have subbed in Correa for Godin, so you guys have more chance to score another goal.

are you really pretending that playing a 4-5-0 for almost twenty minutes is not ridiculous?

Ridiculuous for whom? They got a good result and have a good chance to go through, why would Atletico attack? To give Barca a chance to counter? Being one man down, away and only with a goal disadvantage was a good result considering all the facts, all forms of play are valid, yours is not the only one.

I like how nobody mentions how insanely aggressive Atletico shows up to play vs Barca. They have a history of making hard fouls on us that should definitely get punished. There tactic to stop our game is to literally hack and knock us down as much as possible in order to annoy and wear us down so they can keep themselves in the game. Like playing old school Stoke on steroids yet everyone over looks that they initiated and pushed the game to that ugly level.

And yes, Suarez is the one loose figure in our squad that fell for it, and should of likely got a red but we got lucky it didn't happen. Atletico is a legit pain in the ass though, and as much as Neymar was getting hacked I'm surprised he didn't also lose it. I like the fact that the more they messed with him, the more he would try to run at them lol

It's not that no one wants to mention it Wind but it's how they are. That team is incredibly dirty and always walks that fine line between aggressive and down right destructive. To Atletico, the ends would always justify the means and if kicking Barcelona is what would achieve that result, well, that's how it is. I for one have no sympathy for them, thought it was hella ironic when Busquets made a complete meal of that tackle to get Torres his second yellow.

Also, Suarez and Atletico would have been a perfect couple.

Torres shouldn't of lunged at him in the first place though when he was on a second yellow; regardless of if Busq's over played it or not he would of still got a yellow for flying at the back of leg like that. Which goes back to my point of Atletico being hyper aggressive then they act like everyone's against them and they are innocent. And no, I am not denying certain Barca players love to milk it, but they WERE definitely getting hit hard all game so it gets to a point where I get it.

And your right about Suarez, but we try to keep him calm lol. If he played for Simone, he would probably encourage him to go butt wild, going on a biting spree and he would be constantly suspended