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Post by Myesyats Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:36 pm

rincon wrote:Explain to the Liverpool fans how he is the perfect fit.

Perfect in a sense that he had a similar project in Dortmund and achieved lots of success with little spendings.

I personally can't think of a better manager who could replace him at this moment.

It's a complex thing from top to bottom... managing a football team. Looking at Pool's squad and taking into account the mentality of the team, I don't think they can aspire to a higher position than 5 or 6 right now. Maybe the problem is that they're also lacking an X factor they once had in Suarez.

Hell, just look at Arsenal & what their fans must think. They clearly have the better team and still suck as much.

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Post by rincon Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:42 pm

Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions. He has had plenty of time to fix that defense and he chose to keep it shit.

Whatever he did at Dortmund is in the past and won't do Liverpool any good.

What he is doing at Liverpool is not particularly good, that's all that matter to Liverpool.
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Post by iftikhar Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:43 pm

rincon wrote:Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions. He has had plenty of time to fix that defense and he chose to keep it shit.

Whatever he did at Dortmund is in the past and won't do Liverpool any good.

What he is doing at Liverpool is not particularly good, that's all that matter to Liverpool.
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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:50 pm

rincon wrote:Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions. He has had plenty of time to fix that defense and he chose to keep it shit.

Whatever he did at Dortmund is in the past and won't do Liverpool any good.

What he is doing at Liverpool is not particularly good, that's all that matter to Liverpool.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:23 pm

rincon wrote:Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions.

That's not entirely true. He wanted the club to bring the likes of Van Dijk, Koulibaly or Sessegnon (which I think would be great additions to the squad) in order to strenghten the defensive line. None of these wishes were granted... His fault? No. It's not his fault that the sporting board of the club failed to attract these players.

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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:35 pm

Myesyats wrote:
rincon wrote:Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions.

That's not entirely true. He wanted the club to bring the likes of Van Dijk, Koulibaly or Sessegnon (which I think would be great additions to the squad) in order to strenghten the defensive line. None of these wishes were granted... His fault? No. It's not his fault that the sporting board of the club failed to attract these players.
the reason that Liverpool defend like a pub team is 100% down to klopp. In 4 transfer windows he has not signed a good defender and the defenders at the club have not improved one single bit in the 2 years he has been coaching them.
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Post by ExtremistEnigma Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:41 pm

Myesyats wrote:
rincon wrote:Again you look at Liverpool's squad and see it is a limitation on Klopp's success when its actually a consequence of his actions.

That's not entirely true. He wanted the club to bring the likes of Van Dijk, Koulibaly or Sessegnon (which I think would be great additions to the squad) in order to strenghten the defensive line. None of these wishes were granted... His fault? No. It's not his fault that the sporting board of the club failed to attract these players.

This happens at every *bleep* club mate. Please stop using this narrative when it comes to arguing for any manager, not just Klopp.
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Post by Myesyats Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:42 pm

Well, alright, I definitely do not know more than Liverpool fans themselves. However I still don't think the blame should be thrown entirely on him.

Putting that aside, who do you think is a better option than Klopp at the moment? Take a note it's got to be a feasible target, obviously.

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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:00 pm

Liverpool should get simione. He would be perfect for the EPL
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Post by Myesyats Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:02 pm

Do you honestly think he's a feasible target? He seems comfortable at Atletico and I can see him taking over the national team next.

I personally can't see him moving to England to coach Liverpool.

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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:06 pm

Myesyats wrote:Do you honestly think he's a feasible target? He seems comfortable at Atletico and I can see him taking over the national team next.

I personally can't see him moving to England to coach Liverpool.
at Liverpool he would make more money. He would have more money to spend. He would be at a world famous club. He would be in the best lge in the world. And the only clubs in the world that are bigger or richer than Liverpool either don’t want him or don’t need him. So if the Liverpool owners got serious about getting him I think a deal could be done tbh.
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Post by Luca Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:14 pm

Unique wrote:
Myesyats wrote:Do you honestly think he's a feasible target? He seems comfortable at Atletico and I can see him taking over the national team next.

I personally can't see him moving to England to coach Liverpool.
at Liverpool he would make more money. He would have more money to spend. He would be at a world famous club. He would be in the best lge in the world. And the only clubs in the world that are bigger or richer than Liverpool either don’t want him or don’t need him. So if the Liverpool owners got serious about getting him I think a deal could be done tbh.


Your Klopp hate is turning you delusional, mate

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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:06 pm

Luca wrote:
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Myesyats wrote:Do you honestly think he's a feasible target? He seems comfortable at Atletico and I can see him taking over the national team next.

I personally can't see him moving to England to coach Liverpool.
at Liverpool he would make more money. He would have more money to spend. He would be at a world famous club. He would be in the best lge in the world. And the only clubs in the world that are bigger or richer than Liverpool either don’t want him or don’t need him. So if the Liverpool owners got serious about getting him I think a deal could be done tbh.


Your Klopp hate is turning you delusional, mate
yeah because klopp is the only manager Liverpool can get. Other clubs can fire shit managers and try to better them selfs but Liverpool shouldent do that. Watch 2 bob clubs like Chelsea and city get top managers but a world famous club like Liverpool should be looking to get fat Sam as the next manager. Gtfo
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Post by Luca Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Unique wrote:
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Unique wrote: at Liverpool he would make more money. He would have more money to spend. He would be at a world famous club. He would be in the best lge in the world. And the only clubs in the world that are bigger or richer than Liverpool either don’t want him or don’t need him. So if the Liverpool owners got serious about getting him I think a deal could be done tbh.


Your Klopp hate is turning you delusional, mate
yeah because klopp is the only manager Liverpool can get. Other clubs can fire shit managers and try to better them selfs but Liverpool shouldent do that. Watch 2 bob clubs like Chelsea and city get top managers but a world famous club like Liverpool should be looking to get fat Sam as the next manager. Gtfo


Liverpool's last 5 managers:
Klopp
Rodgers
Dalglish
Hodgson
Benitez

Are you implying that Liverpool couldn't have done better with every appointment since Benitez?

Now you're talking about Simeone, who is at a "world famous" club, is in a top league, is with a top squad, is earning top dollar.

Its not impossible but you're talking about the most idealistic Liverpool scenario imaginable. If Simeone does leave Atletico, which he probably will at some point, there will be many top clubs after him

But all you did is list superlatives of a prem face

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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:28 pm

Luca wrote:
Unique wrote:
Luca wrote:

Your Klopp hate is turning you delusional, mate
yeah because klopp is the only manager Liverpool can get. Other clubs can fire shit managers and try to better them selfs but Liverpool shouldent do that. Watch 2 bob clubs like Chelsea and city get top managers but a world famous club like Liverpool should be looking to get fat Sam as the next manager. Gtfo


Liverpool's last 5 managers:
Klopp
Rodgers
Dalglish
Hodgson
Benitez

Are you implying that Liverpool couldn't have done better with every appointment since Benitez?

Now you're talking about Simeone, who is at a "world famous" club, is in a top league, is with a top squad, is earning top dollar.

Its not impossible but you're talking about the most idealistic Liverpool scenario imaginable. If Simeone does leave Atletico, which he probably will at some point, there will be many top clubs after him

But all you did is list superlatives of a prem face
so how did a small club like Chelsea manage to get mourinho when he left Porto. How did and mid table club with no history manage to get a manager like pep. scratch
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Post by Luca Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:30 pm

Apples and oranges, really

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:40 pm

As opposed to Chelsea and City, Liverpool don't have sugar daddy owners.
They have moneyball owners.

That's also why a manager like Ancelotti would be so bad for Liverpool, and why he wouldn't come in the first place, much like Pep or Mourinho.
And it's arguable how well Simeone would do with this Liverpool team. Arguably not better than Klopp.

Or are you planning to also install a DoF and get the repective guy from Atletico?
Because Simeone isn't doing the transfers either.

No doubt it's baffling Klopp hasn't managed to get at least SOME improvement in individual defensive talent. But it's not like Liverpool are doing bad, on the whole.
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Post by Unique Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:12 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:As opposed to Chelsea and City, Liverpool don't have sugar daddy owners.
They have moneyball owners.

That's also why a manager like Ancelotti would be so bad for Liverpool, and why he wouldn't come in the first place, much like Pep or Mourinho.
And it's arguable how well Simeone would do with this Liverpool team. Arguably not better than Klopp.

Or are you planning to also install a DoF and get the repective guy from Atletico?
Because Simeone isn't doing the transfers either.

No doubt it's baffling Klopp hasn't managed to get at least SOME improvement in individual defensive talent. But it's not like Liverpool are doing bad, on the whole.
we are out of the lge cup. We were never in the title race. We are making hard work of a really really poor champions league group and have as much chance of winning the FA cup as stoke.
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Post by futbol Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:33 pm

Hans, STFU. He sucks. Admit it.

Did well with the best squad Dortmund ever had (Hummels, pre-injury prime Gündogan, Kagawa, pre-fatness prime Götze, Lewandowski). Since then it's only gone downhill for him.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:45 pm

Would be disgustingly Newcastle for Liverpool to suck so hard to steal our new owners from under our noses Mad
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Post by Kaladin Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:06 pm

Careful there, don't want Unique to have an existential crisis with Muslim owners
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Post by CBarca Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:10 pm

@Hans you need to get your boy to start performing or something

Getting really tough to criticize him but also admit he's the best liverpool can do Sad
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:11 pm

Liverpool should sign Bravo and Masche in winter. Guaranteed to improve their defense by 50%
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:11 pm

So what. A minor blip.
All he needs is a few better defenders, a few better midfielders, and his Liverpool will be great.

Last summer he added 0 defenders and 0 midfielders so it might take ∞ years.

Either that or he could come to Bayern in summer and rule the world with our team :coffee:
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:12 pm

CBarca wrote:@Hans you need to get your boy to start performing or something

Getting really tough to criticize him but also admit he's the best liverpool can do Sad


Well if you are playing against the Harry Kane team, you need to contain Harry Kane.
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