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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:23 pm

SuperMAG wrote:tbh we shouldve went for a younger and more dynamic CM if we wanted to buy a CM, Kovacic would've been wonderful here.

Kovacic isn't a CM, he is an AM, just like JR10

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Post by Forza Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:39 pm

Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.
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Post by Onyx Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:43 pm

salmano9 wrote:
Yohan Modric wrote:It's Perez's fault for selling a crucial player and buying an inferior player based on WC hype.

Secondly why did we buy Kroos to play him DM when we already had €40m Illarramendi on the bench.



Also Benzema's goal record is poor. Hernandez should be given a chance. If Hernandez doesn't perform within 3-5 games, Benzema can get his starting spot back.

Us winning the CL last May doesn't matter. We should forget about it otherwise we'll become complacent.

Kroos was available for a relatively low price, and Illaramendi is nowhere as good as Kroos. It was a good move tbh... Over-hyped Illara...

Kroos has never played in a deep position though. He's more of a CM/AM. Illarra is similar in style to Alonso and plays the exact same position.

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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:47 pm

Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...
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Post by Robespierre Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:49 pm

salmano9 wrote:
SuperMAG wrote:tbh we shouldve went for a younger and more dynamic CM if we wanted to buy a CM, Kovacic would've been wonderful here.

Kovacic isn't a CM, he is an AM, just like JR10


Lol  it's   false  .
Kovacic is a CM , what we call " mezz ala " .  Definitely not an AM (trequartista)
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Post by Forza Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:54 pm

salmano9 wrote:
Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...

Yeah, 3 seasons after winning the Scudetto, not 4 games after winning the CL. Laughing
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Post by Casciavit Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Forza wrote:
Zealous wrote:You expect a Milanista to feel at least a little bit of shame when talking about fans wanting coaches out (Allegri, Seedorf etc. lol) The Milan section is filled with posts about managers needing to get fired despite not even getting time to build a squad (which for Milan may take several years of free transfers and loans)

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.


Problem is nobody even asked for Seedorf to be sacked. Almost everyone was a big fan of his and knew he had interesting ideas, that had to be postponed until next season. Some off the field problems, lead to his sacking.

The whole section wanted Allegri sacked because we only had 4 wins in 16 games. If we used our position in the table during his time we were in midtable (i think 11th), under Seedorf we were third.

The fact you're comparing someone who won you La Decima 5 games ago and had the 2 most important players in his lineup sold, to a coach who had 4 wins in 16 match, is asinine.
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Post by salmano9 Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:06 pm

Forza wrote:
salmano9 wrote:
Forza wrote:

Your post is just all kinds of amateur really. It's all a bit petty and poorly thought out.

Your first reaction was to get defensive and attack Milan instead of addressing the point of the matter - the situation is that Real Madrid fans, a few games into the season and faced with some poor results,  are already calling for the head of a Champions League winning manager. What a pathetic attitude.

For the record, posts in the Milan section about management leaving the club are almost always directed at either Berlusconi or Galliani, not the coaches. If you do venture there, you'll be pleasantly surprised to see no "Seedorf Out" thread or anything similar. Unlike Milan, Real Madrid has a well-deserved reputation for firing coaches after they have won titles (Heynkes, Capello, etc). In addition, to compare the situations of Allegri or Seedorf to Ancelotti makes no sense whatsoever. The most obvious difference being that neither Allegri nor Seedorf won titles a few games before they were sacked! Your comment has all but reconfirmed to me why Real Madrid fans are rightfully renowned as being among the most petulant and spoilt in the world.

Apologies in advance to any sensible Madrid fans.

To be honest, I see many many Milanista blaming Allegri...

Yeah, 3 seasons after winning the Scudetto, not 4 games after winning the CL. Laughing

Well, 2 seasons after he won the scudetto, he got you from 17th to CL football. I think that he was really unlucky with SES's injury last season, and he did deserve better players. Berlu and Galliani didn't co-operate with im well. Selling Ibra and Thiago silva is just the same as sellng tevez and Vidal, which is insane.
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Post by futbol Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:25 pm

In fairness Ancelotti didn't impress despite his trophy haul last season. Now people can talk about knee-jerking and hindsight all they want but I wrote this in the Barca section directly after their CL victory on May 26:

Fußball wrote:They are playing worse than they did under Mourinho. Compare Mourinho's last game as Madrid manager against Atletico in the CdR final last season where they lost despite hitting the post 3 times and Courtois pulling some prime Lev Yashin shit with the CL final now where they had to rely on a 93th minute corner kick equalizer to rescue the game. That's football for you.

They had 1 outstanding game all season vs. Bayern in the Allianz and they ended up winning the competition. Fair enough, they made their moments count. They also beat the worst Barca team in years in yet another final with Pinto and Bartra leading the defense while the papers all over Spain were already reporting about Tata's departure, Tito's death, Rosell's possible jail time, Messi's taxes and Nerman's father. Fair enough again. But it doesn't prove they were a harmonic unit ready to dominate for years to come since there were too many moments showing a completely different picture, even with Di Maria and Alonso in the squad.

Having said all that, Perez is the main culprit. You cannot build a proper team when your president picks the squad and picks it according to shirt sale potential. But then again Mourinho built his own team with unmarketable players like Khedira being signed so maybe Ancelotti should show more guts instead of being a yes man. The most expensive squad ever assembled doesn't have a single defensive midfielder. Laughing

Where is Mr.Nick in all of this? Last time I've seen him he had an awesome signature. Laughing

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Post by farfan Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:12 pm

i'm stil unable to understand why people keep bringing up madrid's last minute goal to make an argument that madrid's champions league run last year wasn't impressive Laughing

did you already forget how madrid destroyed bayern in the semis ? Laughing or how atletico were only ahead thanks to a casillas brainfart and didn't actually outplay madrid ? Laughing

this is all coming from barcelona fans, you know the team that never made it to final without a controversial semifinal Laughing
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Post by Zealous Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:20 pm

Beating German teams is not that difficult tbf.
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Post by futbol Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:25 pm

Because beating Schalke, Dortmund's B team without Lewandowski, Gündogan, Bender, Subotic, Schmelzer and Atletico without Costa and Arda + Felipe limping off via last minute equalizer isn't a particularly impressive achievement when you are Real Madrid. Beating Bayern 4-0 is but I've said as much so I don't have a clue why you are asking me if I forgot about that when I particularly highlighted that game as "outstanding".

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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:32 pm

Yeah...  Bayern were a scrub team.  So were Dortmund.  Juve sucked too.  Atleti had no business being in the finals as well.  As far as CDR, Atleti and Barca didn't take it seriously.  Amazing how lucky we were in those competitions.  Should have an asterisk next to our names on those trophy lists tbh.

Still waiting for an apology from Carlo and Madrid to the football general public.
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Post by farfan Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:33 pm

the same costaless and turanless atletico who just came off a title win from the camp nou Rolling Eyes
i was speaking in general BTW . all i've been hearing these past few weeks is " last minute equalizer " last minute equalizer " " last minute equalizer !!!! " as a dig against last year's final win .

BIG FU""""" DEAL ? madrid could've easily won that game in normal time if it weren't for iker's brainfart and gareth bale's inability to shoot from angles Laughing
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Post by halamadrid2 Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:39 pm

We were impressive at times last season and at other times less so. We already knew what needed to improve and that was to faze out Alonso who had slowed so much it felt like he was walking and we also needed more depth in the midfield because at the crucial time we had to play players out of position to manage

Our CL win was hugely convincing. The only two games we struggled were against Juve away in the group stage and Dortmund away when we already had a healthy lead from the first leg. The final would have been a route had Bale not missed his customary 5/6 glorious chances to score. Atleti did not threaten us from open play.

Our CDR campaign was equally convincing and the only time we struggled was in the second part of the second half against Barca in the final

We were awful in the league though, no fight no urgency and the injury of Jese happened at the worst time. Had we won it it would have been the most undeserved title of the century. We lost the league because we were so poor away from home, those games win you the league and we failed to beat any of the top teams away which was horrendous and since we are back to square one now I think we will be equally poor away this season
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Post by sportsczy Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:51 pm

Carlo sucks in league play... that's a well known fact. He's neither a motivator nor a disciplinarian. He's a classy guy who has a gift for tactics. In games where the tension is maximum and you don't need to light a fire under players (cup games), no problem. But in games where you need to push your players, he's a failure.

It's not like everyone didn't know this going in. He's over 50 years old, so it's not like he was going to change... can't criticize the guy for being who he is.

If anything, he needed to have a disciplinarian as his bench coach... but he's never done that either.
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Post by futbol Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:53 pm

farfan wrote:the same costaless and turanless atletico who just came off a title win from the camp nou Rolling Eyes
i was speaking in general BTW . all i've been hearing these  past few weeks is " last minute equalizer     " last minute equalizer  "  " last minute equalizer !!!! " as a dig against last year's final win .

BIG FU""""" DEAL ? madrid could've easily won that game in normal time if  it weren't for iker's brainfart and gareth bale's inability to shoot from angles  Laughing


You are losing the plot here a little with the Barca references. No Barca fan ever would claim last season's Barca team to be legit. In fact it was the worst since Rijkaard's era. Struggling against Atleti was expected. Most Barca fans expected defeat actually.

You're getting overly defensive and losing my actual point out of sight. Which was that Madrid despite winning the Cup double wasn't a team full of harmony playing consistently good football last season under Ancelotti. Your league position and record against the top 6 is proof of that and is more relevant than 1 off knockout Cup games where you peaked at the right time and also had the luck to not face a single full strength team. Which remains a fact. Madrid beating a Dortmund side that has been stripped off of Götze and on top of that has to deal with injuries to Lewandowski and Gündogan among other players is not even close to the team that Mourinho has faced a season before. But of course you can also credit Ancelotti's genius for beating such adversary.

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Post by Lord Spencer Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:07 pm

@Zealous, I seriously think you are more classy and intelligent to be aimlessly attacking Milan fans for their anti-coach claims. In the last 10 years, Milan fans only demanded strongly one coach out, and that was Allegri after 2 seasons of mediocrity. And even then, there were his defenders.

Now, you have always supported Mou, and you claim to support any "Madrid player or coach". Yet, when the team under-preforms, after what is classic fire-sale by Perez, you blame the coach.

You claimed that Di Maria did not deserve the raise he demanded. Yet, such a raise would have made more sense than the sum and wages you guys paid (pay) for James. Perez have always been the transfer guy, and its his fault, and not Carlo that Xabi and Di Maria were not adequately replaced.

Perez, whose mentality some Madrid fans share, would probably sack Carlo. And the next coach wouldn't win this league, and might perhaps win the next. Then he will be sacked, and you guys will buy a new Toy. Seriously, your team is more a business than a football club.
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Post by futbol Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:09 am

If Real Madrid fails on two of their next six games, Ancelotti will be sacked. [Paco Gonzalez on Cadena Cope]

Most likely bollocks but this is the sackwatch thread after all so it's kinda relevant. Laughing

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Post by Donuts Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:12 am

Lol so hypothetical situation if he got sacked who would take over?
i wish zidane would.. Laughing
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Post by sree999 Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:15 am

Me too want zidane to coach mehdrids .
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Post by halamadrid2 Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:49 am

@donuts, Mancini is the likely guy........... Laughing

Carlo won't get sacked this season even if we lose everygame till January which we won't do of course. The fans have put up banners for Perez to step down both in the game against Atleti and on the street ot Madrid after, this is the first time that has happened since he took over so there is a sense of dissapointment with him and not the coach. I suspect if Perez did sack Carlo the cries for his resignation will become even louder and more widespread and Perez thrives of his celebrity status lol
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Post by Collblanc Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:27 am

All will be forgot tomorrow when you smack Basel (or whatever shit team your playing) with 3+ goals.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:53 am

And yet Barca fans insist that the CL final was somehow not dominated by Madrid and we won only because of last second heroics...  saying that the content of the game should have rewarded Atleti.

Your eyes tell you that Madrid completely dominated the game... but were facing a PTB team that was very well organized.

But even if you eyes fail you, that numbers shouldn't:

21 shots compared to 10, 12 on target compared to 6, 61% possession... and that's after an even first half Laughing

And Laughing at trying to say that Dortmund were bad because Gundogan wasn't there.  You know why they lost Bundi so early?  They lost both CBs and their best fullback .  Defense was completely decimated to start the season.  They had those back by the time they played Madrid.  They also had Sahin to cover Gundogan's spot.  Also signed Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang.  Stop talking nonsense ffs Laughing
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Post by Donuts Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:57 am

sportsczy wrote:And yet Barca fans insist that the CL final was somehow not dominated by Madrid and we won only because of last second heroics...

fact:  you were 30 seconds away from losing the final us saying you won because of a last second heroics is correct no matter how differently you wanna see it.
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Post by sportsczy Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:37 am

That's fine... but most of you are saying that Atleti played better in that game and Madrid were undeserving.  Fact is, we dominated that game after an even first half and fully deserved to win it, regardless of when the goals happened. We were UNLUCKY to not score earlier.

That's a FACT as well.
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