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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:23 am

LeSwagg James wrote:Di Maria has been a lot better as a CM, as long as he stays there I'm good...

But Ozil is still better IMO :coffee:

better at what exactly?

If we compare the overall contribution that Di Maria brings to his team, in terms of intensity, defending, all around commitment, not to mention what he brings offensively, how is Ozil's contribution to his team better?

it's not that black and white, you guys continue to fap too much about some players "talent"

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Post by LeSwagg James Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:57 am

Mr Nick09 wrote:
LeSwagg James wrote:Di Maria has been a lot better as a CM, as long as he stays there I'm good...

But Ozil is still better IMO :coffee:

better at what exactly?

If we compare the overall contribution that Di Maria brings to his team, in terms of intensity, defending, all around commitment, not to mention what he brings offensively, how is Ozil's contribution to his team better?

it's not that black and white, you guys continue to fap too much about some players "talent"

Di Maria just has a better engine lol.. Ozil is a better passer/playmaker, better decision maker, better ball control, better finisher..
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:28 pm

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Mr Nick09 wrote:
LeSwagg James wrote:Di Maria has been a lot better as a CM, as long as he stays there I'm good...

But Ozil is still better IMO :coffee:

better at what exactly?

If we compare the overall contribution that Di Maria brings to his team, in terms of intensity, defending, all around commitment, not to mention what he brings offensively, how is Ozil's contribution to his team better?

it's not that black and white, you guys continue to fap too much about some players "talent"

Di Maria just has a better engine lol.. Ozil is a better passer/playmaker, better decision maker, better ball control, better finisher..
all that shit means absolutely 0. Im gonna tell you one thing, remove Di Maria from our line up, plug in Ozil, and we are worse off.

Since when is having a better engine not important? let's have a game. take the little boy Thiago Alcantara for example, he has better control, dribbling, technique, playmaking (whatever that is), finishing than Gundogan 2013 for example, yet you wanna know who is the better player? same with piggy, or vidal, yet he is not half the player those guys are.

im not talking about decision making because at the end of the day it's how one player decides to use his abilities for the good of the team. And while Di Maria has gotten that part wrong a lot in the past, you can also see that he has figured it out, specially in position he currently plays in.

anyway, my point is, being as reductive as looking at abilities to compare football is one step below going to whoscored and checking out who has the better rating.
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Post by LeSwagg James Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:38 pm

If Ancelotti gave Ozil 100% support and made him a focal point of the team I think he could have repeated his form from 2 seasons ago.. I don't ever see Di Maria reaching that level

Some players just need that love

#NoHomo :coffee:
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:42 pm

How can Ozil be the focal point of any team with Cristiano in it? scratch
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Post by LeSwagg James Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:49 pm

I said 'a' focal point as in one of them.. Run more of the play through him
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:49 pm

LeSwagg James wrote:If Ancelotti gave Ozil 100% support and made him a focal point of the team I think he could have repeated his form from 2 seasons ago.. I don't ever see Di Maria reaching that level

Some players just need that love

#NoHomo :coffee:
and what level was that? you mean when Kroos schooled him in CL? where he was completely lost at CAM and Mourinho had to pull Di Maria center to cope with the charge of our midfield getting ramed all kind of ways? that level?

look, i think we get lost in the "beauty" of how some players look when they play but it's just one aspect of football.

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Post by ExtremistEnigma Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:54 pm

How does Ozil still get acknowledged when he has been shat at Arsenal since November, when his absence at Real has not been felt, and when di Maria has clearly been better is beyond me.

People's obsession with anything German these days is unbelievable.
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Post by Lord Spencer Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:56 pm

Saying Ozil could have offered anything close to Di Maria's one man show in the classico is the funny shrooms talking. I like Ozil, but he doesn't have it in him to carry a team in his back like Di Maria did with Madrid.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:08 pm

oh and let's not forget that football is a sports. Being a great footballer means that you have to be a great athlete in the first place. If you cant run to support your team every way you can, that's your problem.
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Post by FalcaoPunch Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:17 pm

Mr Nick09 wrote:oh and let's not forget that football is a sports. Being a great footballer means that you have to be a great athlete in the first place. If you cant run to support your team every way you can, that's your problem.

Like Bale running straight out of bounds everytime?
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Post by Arquitecto Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:26 pm

FalcaoPunch wrote:
Mr Nick09 wrote:oh and let's not forget that football is a sports. Being a great footballer means that you have to be a great athlete in the first place. If you cant run to support your team every way you can, that's your problem.

Like Bale running straight out of bounds everytime?

Bale only knows how to run in direct lines and not appreciating the space he afforded to him given his lack of awareness when constricted. Di Maria even with his limits exploits those spaces handily and uses his athleticism on many more dimensions.

On-Topic: 100% agreed with Nick. Cannot see what Oezil would have added to this Madrid bar his vision to the final ball as he simply wouldn't be needed. My respect for Di Maria has risen two-fold this season given how he has evolved from an obsolete wide-man in an evolving Madrid to a big-game dynamo and done in centrally out of his natural comfort zone.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:02 am

How far has Di Maria come? Doesnt matter where he plays, same work rate, same effort, same aggressiveness. Terrific player, might be our most impactful player this season.
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Post by Zealous Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:17 am

Di Maria has been immense this season. His bone head tendencies are still there but the guy is such a huge asset to this team.

Very happy and very proud is how I feel when I see his level of play this season Proud
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Post by Onyx Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:23 am

Yeh, he's still a bit haphazard and headless at times, however he's definitely improved compared to when he played at RW.

When he plays on the left, it sort of opens up the pitch for him to dribble better, compared to to RW where he could only cut in.

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Post by guest7 Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:34 am

RW just wasn't meant for him to begin with. How many one footed players thrive at RW when they are left footed?

But no doubt, he has been improving every season with us. Said it from the start that selling Özil would be wiser than Di Maria. Always respected Di Maria more as a player, both for his attitude and his skill.
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Post by halamadrid2 Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:45 am

This is one player we absolutely can not afford to lose. He is too important for us. He can play all positions for us bar CB, GK and CF and still give the same effort, threat and commitment

compare DiMaria running back and stealing the ball from Iniesta yesterday with Bale not being there in exactly the same area in the last clasico. This guy always comes up huge for us in big games. Mourinho used him as his personal slave because we had nobody to track back, Carlo has allowed him to flourish. This is arguably his best season for us since he signed. An absolute joy to watch

if only we had more players with his heart and desire we would go a long way
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Post by BarcaLearning Fri Apr 18, 2014 7:21 am

Ozil was so good under Mou though for Real, hard to make sense of it at the time, but Real so packed with stars, they dont miss him, same as Higuain and Callejon obviously.

Great to see Di Maria getting all the praise he deserves.
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun May 25, 2014 9:20 am

Like, like, the best decision eva Proud
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Post by adnyana179 Sun May 25, 2014 9:20 am

Carlo was justified in the end!! An absolute workhorse.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun May 25, 2014 9:21 am

As a talent he isn't better but as a footballer he is. This guy is a fighter if there ever was one.
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Post by urbaNRoots Sun May 25, 2014 9:23 am

Now sign Suarez and give us Benzema   Twisted Evil 

Honestly love Carlo for making that decision, I fear he wants to keep Benz though.
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Post by FennecFox7 Sun May 25, 2014 3:05 pm

Valkyrja wrote:As a talent he isn't better but as a footballer he is. This guy is a fighter if there ever was one.

Sorry I disagree. He's a better talent and always has been. Ozil is just a smarter player and this year di maria pretty much kills him in every aspect imaginable.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun May 25, 2014 5:30 pm

Giggity5313 wrote:
Valkyrja wrote:As a talent he isn't better but as a footballer he is. This guy is a fighter if there ever was one.

Sorry I disagree. He's a better talent and always has been. Ozil is just a smarter player and this year di maria pretty much kills him in every aspect imaginable.

he's way better physically. not only has he better stamina, he has a way better physique. ozil's touch and ball control put him over di maria in terms of talent imo
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Post by jibers Sun May 25, 2014 6:40 pm

Wtf does talent mean? People need to stop using that useless word. Di María fits Madrid better because he can do something out of nothing. Ozil needs other players to be on point. Di Maria is also far stronger mentally and works almost 3 times as hard.
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Post by Pedram Sun May 25, 2014 8:13 pm

Di Maria is totally superior to Ozil, stop being a fanboy.
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