Juventus 2-0 Trabzonspor

In before Elm

You peasants have been underestimating my power.Infact you should praising me ffs.

On a serious note,hoping and praying we take this competition seriously.Juventus or rather Conte has a point to prove.Ideally we play our full strength team in this game,rack up as many goals as possible which can perhaps allow us to field a weaker side in the return leg.I'm sure the club as a whole was distraught after our Champions League failure and this is a great opportunity to make amends considering the Final is in Turin.Just for once i hope Juventus play positive and go all out just for this year.I wouldnt have normally cared for this competition otherwise.This year is a special occasion and we have to make full use of it.

Nothing more than a convincing win in this game.Lets go boys.

S wrote:In before Elm

You peasants have been underestimating my power.Infact you should praising me ffs.

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S wrote:On a serious note,hoping and praying we take this competition seriously.Juventus or rather Conte has a point to prove.Ideally we play our full strength team in this game,rack up as many goals as possible which can perhaps allow us to field a weaker side in the return leg.I'm sure the club as a whole was distraught after our Champions League failure and this is a great opportunity to make amends considering the Final is in Turin.Just for once i hope Juventus play positive and go all out just for this year.I wouldnt have normally cared for this competition otherwise.This year is a special occasion and we have to make full use of it.

Nothing more than a convincing in this game.Lets go boys

peasant ? You dare to insult your the ultimate Juventus God aka me ?

The Europa League should not be underestimated not only as a trophy but as an important way to earn co-efficient points for Juventus that could see the club placed into a higher pot for the Champions League draw. The longer it takes to build up Juve's individual coefficient in Europe, the longer you'll have to compete in tough groups.

Let's be quite honest, no one is catching you in Serie A. You may as well go all out to win the Europa League in your own stadium.

dostoevsky wrote:The Europa League should poinbe underestimated not only as a trophy but as an important way to earn co-efficient points for Juventus that could see the club placed into a higher pot for the Champions League draw. The longer it takes to build up Juve's individual coefficient in Europe, the longer you'll have to compete in tough groups.

Let's be quite honest, no one is catching you in Serie A. You may as well go all out to win the Europa League in your own stadium.

Thats not true about Serie A... look at what happened to milan 3 years ago when they had ibra and they were almost 100% sure that they would Win scudetto, but juve won after they were 6-4 points behind ...
So its a risk to let go off Serie A and not play our key players... we have napoli, milan coming up in the next 4 games. It is true that roma are playing against inter when play vs milan away, but again... we cant assume that Roma will not do well.

I'm not suggesting that you play Padoin and your youth squad against Napoli, however unlike Milan three years ago, you have a healthy squad that allows you to exercise your strength in depth over the competition. Your bench contains the likes of Osvaldo, Quagliarella, Vucinic, Giovinco, Marchisio, Caceres, Ogbonna, Isla and Pepe, enough players surely to rotate three of four positions a game through two competitions.

Not to mention the fact that with all respect to your opposition, you're unquestionably the best team in the Europa League. Are you lions or mice?

Haha, and thats an IF we had any youtb players in our squad...
I feel that the attack is not good enough with other than tevez and llorente. They did get enough playing time already during our 11 match winning streak... so their confidence is so low. Did u see Giovinco flopping yesterday against CHIEVO? And knkwing conte, he is quite stubborn in his tactics, so I cant expect not to see padoin in the midfield.

Yes, we are the lions ofcourse, but look at what happened in CL, where we were considered as favorites alongside madrid to go through. We dropped easy points vs Gala home and vs kopenhaven away.... Madrid thrashed kopenhaven both home and away. Over confidence really does affect our players. Also, look at how many times we let go off easy wins where we were winning by a margin of 2 goals. Hellas? Viola? Easy dropped 5 points.

Five points dropped perhaps, yet still less than Roma or Napoli. Both Hellas and Fiorentina are fine teams, however most teams in Serie A play with fear against Juventus and even Roma and Napoli wilted against you this year.

I believe that the bad experience in the Champions League is ample reason enough to take the Europa League seriously. It is a winnable competition but far from a cake walk and it will serve as an excellent dress rehearsal for next year's European campaign. This is the team's chance to prove that the group stage failure was an abomination not a habit and to show that they can go to any ground in Europe, play their own game and win. It's an entirely different atmosphere playing outside of Italy and any practice the team gets now will benefit the side. Not to mention that the points earned may well be the difference between participating in the Champions League Group of Death or facing Europe's whipping boys.

Yep thats what we all are hoping for, but given our most recent experience in europe, I won't be surprised if we won 1-0 vs trabz and then lose vs fiorentina again in the next round. If we win the EL, we would get about +20 coefficient points from where we are now. However,this won't guarantee that we will play be first seeded next year in CL, which again mean that our group will be similar to this year.

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A surprising number of teams above Juventus look set to miss out on Champions League qualification such as Milan, United and Valencia which may help to propel Juventus up in combination with a strong performance in the Europa League. Even if the club doesn't feel immediate benefits, it's still better to reach Pot 1 in two years rather than three.

With the possibility of Liverpool and Monaco rejoining the Champions League at the very bottom of the pile, every single advantage may prove invaluable in avoiding drawing three great teams.

salmano9 wrote:Yep thats what we all are hoping for, but given our most recent experience in europe, I won't be surprised if we won 1-0 vs trabz and then lose vs fiorentina again in the next round. If we win the EL, we would get about +20 coefficient points from where we are now. However,this won't guarantee that we will play be first seeded next year in CL, which again mean that our group will be similar to this year.

We should have passed this year's group right ? It was a relatively easy group given our seeding(we were a Pot 2 team).

BUT..If we dont take EL seriously, there could be a possibility of being drawn in much tougher groups.For example,would you want to be drawn in a group consisting of Bayern and PSG ? Obviously no right ?

Hence taking EL seriously is essential.It carries a significance and its better to place yourselves in a higher pot than Pot 3 or Pot 4.

Juventus are a pot 4 team going by the current co-efficient standings,but considering a no.of sides are set to miss CL next year,we'll make Pot 3 minimum,but that wouldnt be enough.Need to push for Pot 2 and put ourselves in much safer position for next year's CL draw as opposed to being stuck in Pot 3.
Going far in EL here would mean we wouldnt have to wait that long to become a pot 1 team as Dostovesky pointed out.Secure those co-efficients and we'd only be making life comfortable for ourselves.

Yeah, even though therr are these teams that will miss the ECL, we will still be in danger of facing bayern/barca.... in our group. So as u guys said, in the short run we should aim to: win the europa league.
And in the long run: reach AT LEAST  the quarterfinals in champs league,where ofcourse we shouldn't underestimate small teams.

If we do not take this cup seriously then I will be severely pissed off at our lack of ambition


Let me paint out a possible viscious cycle that we could find ourselves in.

First of all, we unexpectedly crash out of the CL (As we already have)

Then, we disregard the EL and we fail to collect Co-eff points there.

We get back into the CL through the league, only we're in Pot 3.
We get the group of death/a very tough group. We fail to get into the Knockouts. We're back in the EL. Do we collect Co-eff points?

No, because the EL is far too small for Juventus, right?


Before you know it we're in Pot 3/4 eternally and every single season we either finish outside of the top 2 in the CL group stage or 2nd place and we will continually have 'unfair' CL draws.

We'll end up blaming the 'luck' of the draw, when all along it's out fault for not collecting co-eff points and making it much, much harder than it has to be.


THIS, is precisely what I think will happen if we disregard the EL.
Also, I don't want to hear about squad fitness. Every other top team out there consisteny play close to a full strength team in THREE competitions. When we're in TWO competitions, the whole lack of fitness excuse is nothing more than a way to save face.

Oh and not forgetting that this entirely possible 'cycle' has a dramatic effect on our financial strength

If we keep missing out on deep CL runs we'll eventually have to sell our best players in the long run

So we either take our chances with a 6 to 9 point lead and go for the EL (This is only ever though about as being too difficult to do by Juventus fans. All the clubs we should be competing with do it regularly) or we disregard Europe and find ourselves on Par with Celtic/Galatasaray/etc in Europe, and even struggling in Serie A due to our star players leaving us in the long run.

But if you think about it, Pot 3 teams seem better than Pot 2 teams, or at least that's how it was this year.

GIGItheBest wrote:But if you think about it, Pot 3 teams seem better than Pot 2 teams, or at least that's how it was this year.

It was this year but its certainly going to change next year.PSG,Dortmund,City will be all be in Pot 2 as opposed to this year where Dortmund and City were in Pot 3.

So avoiding Pot 3 is essential.

All there is to think about, is odds


Most of the time, a higher pot means a better draw.
No it's not a rule set in stone, but if we were in Pot 3 for 10 seasons there's a significant chance that on average, our draws will be more difficult than if we were in pot 2 for 10 seasons

Plus, the ultimate goal is pot 1, if we get in pot 1 we don't even have to worry about Madrid, Barca, the best BPL teams, Bayern etc etc

Pot 1 is fantastic to be in, we can even have an easier start to the season in the league because unless we're very unlucky, because there's a good chance we are in a group with at least 2 teams who are on par with our bench. Instead of trying to balance difficult Serie A ties with ties against European giants a few days later.

its simple if we take this competition seriously we have a great chance of winning it if not than we will just try to grind results with our reserves ...

S wrote:

GIGItheBest wrote:But if you think about it, Pot 3 teams seem better than Pot 2 teams, or at least that's how it was this year.

It was this year but its certainly going to change next year.PSG,Dortmund,City will be all be in Pot 2 as opposed to this year where Dortmund and City were in Pot 3.

So avoiding Pot 3 is essential.

Oh ok, but if teams like Manchester United and AC Milan don't make it, where would we be ranked if we won the Europa League?

Also, what Pot would Liverpool be in because they do have 5 Champions League titles.

GIGItheBest wrote:

S wrote:

GIGItheBest wrote:But if you think about it, Pot 3 teams seem better than Pot 2 teams, or at least that's how it was this year.

It was this year but its certainly going to change next year.PSG,Dortmund,City will be all be in Pot 2 as opposed to this year where Dortmund and City were in Pot 3.

So avoiding Pot 3 is essential.

Oh ok, but if teams like Manchester United and AC Milan don't make it, where would we be ranked if we won the Europa League?

Pot 2 at most.I dont think we'll be able to make Pot 1 considering there are a lot of Pot 2 teams who are likely to compete in Europe next year and are still left in European competition this year.

GIGItheBest wrote:Also, what Pot would Liverpool be in because they do have 5 Champions League titles.

That is irrelevant.

Liverpool will enter into Pot 4 as it stands.If you exclude the sides who are above them in the standings who may or may not make it next year,they might make Pot 3 then.
This is just my estimation ofcourse.You'll only get a much clearer picture when the CL qualifiers take place next season.

I want no less than a 3-0 in this match -,- will be disappointed if we score less goals and if we concede at home.... -,-
We should finish off the tie from the first match to play scrubs against them in the 2nd leg. We have milan after the away tie