Why CR7's Ballon d'or sends the wrong message

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I'm not saying that Sports i should have mentioned that....

Just that CR's votes are purely based on 2nd half of the year consistent goalscoring like Messi's was.

Ronaldo had the trophies and first half of the year performances just like Ribery did this time.... as i said the only difference is the decision of who to give it to.

Surely 2008 award was seasonal and not calendar year based?

I guess Ribery pushing France through to the WC while playing with broken ribs for 1,5 of the two games (missed 3 weeks with Bayern after that) + winning CWC while being named best player of the tournament carried no weight.  CR7 scoring goals against a Sweden defense that all play in division 2 or division 3 was far more impressive lol.

I don't see what CR7 accomplished in the 2nd half. Nothing. Just like the 1st half lol.

Every award is calendar based M99 or at least they say it is.

Personally i think it should be seasonal based.... winning based on the first half of the season which is meaningless is a whole bunch of BS.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Every award is calendar based M99 or at least they say it is.

Personally i think it should be seasonal based.... winning based on the first half of the season which is meaningless is a whole bunch of BS.

The Ballon D'or and FWPOTY wasnt merged back then so i think what M99 is saying is true actually if my memory serves me correctly.

FWPOTY was supposed to be for the CY whereas Ballon D'or was seasonal.

Edit : I might be wrong here

They scrapped that in favor of the Uefa Player of the Year thing didn't they?

The one Ribery won? in any case everyone has forgotten that already

Its even more meaningless than the Balon D'or is as no one even recognizes it.

That's like saying Suarez deserves the Messi's spot on the podium this year because of his form to start this season. No credible argument could be made for Messi in 2008. Olympics? Really? An U-23 competition bro? You're better than that mate.

As a matter of fact, Ronaldo had a very strong case in 2012 but it was Messi's record goalscoring haul that ended up costing him dearly. The very thing that his critics have been on his case for this year.

• Won the League title in record breaking fashion, scoring 44 goals including the famous title clinching goal at the Camp Nou.
• Scored 2 goals in the CL semifinals 2nd leg against Bayern. Lost on penalties.
• Helped the heavily unfavoured Portugal to the EURO 2012 Semis, only to lose on penalties to the eventual winners. Finished Top scorer.

Decisively, he had a stronger year than Messi yet he lost by a landslide. With a little more luck on his teams side as is usually the case with penalties and he helps lead Madrid and Portugal to the CL and Euro finals, he probably goes on to win both when you consider how average the Chelsea and Italian teams were.

EDIT: Seems like I always drop dimes at peak hours.

It's all about hype. The hype and marketting on Messi was INSANE last year just like the CR bandwagon this year.

Gil wrote:That's like saying Suarez deserves the Messi's spot on the podium this year because of his form to start this season. No credible argument could be made for Messi in 2008. Olympics? Really? An U-23 competition bro? You're better than that mate.

As a matter of fact, Ronaldo had a very strong case in 2012 but it was Messi's record goalscoring haul that ended up costing him dearly. The very thing that his critics have been on his case for this year.

• Won the League title in record breaking fashion, scoring 44 goals including the famous title clinching goal at the Camp Nou.
• Scored 2 goals in the CL semifinals 2nd leg against Bayern. Lost on penalties.
• Helped the heavily unfavoured Portugal to the EURO 2012 Semis, only to lose on penalties to the eventual winners. Finished Top scorer.

Decisively, he had a stronger year than Messi yet he lost by a landslide. With a little more luck on his teams side as is usually the case with penalties and he helps lead Madrid and Portugal to the CL and Euro finals, he probably goes on to win both when you consider how average the Chelsea and Italian teams were.

EDIT: Seems like I always drop dimes at peak hours.

Mate where did i say Messi deserved it? i said people said he did which is true he was getting hype towards the end of the year.

All i said was that his achievements that year and Ronaldo's this year are the same.

Looks like i'm right.

Ballon D'or and FWPOTY got merged in 2010.

Ballon D'or was given to the players who performed best over the previous season whereas FWPOTY was for the whole CY.

The problem is here is that the UEFA player of the year has nowhere near the prestige of the Ballon D'or.

If these awards werent merged,Ribery would've won the Ballon D'or(under the old format) and everyone would've went home happy.

S wrote:The problem is here is that the UEFA player of the year has nowhere near the prestige of the Ballon D'or.

If these awards werent merged,Ribery would've won the Ballon D'or(under the old format) and everyone would've went home happy.

So would Sneijder.

Gil wrote:That's like saying Suarez deserves the Messi's spot on the podium this year because of his form to start this season. No credible argument could be made for Messi in 2008. Olympics? Really? An U-23 competition bro? You're better than that mate.

As a matter of fact, Ronaldo had a very strong case in 2012 but it was Messi's record goalscoring haul that ended up costing him dearly. The very thing that his critics have been on his case for this year.

• Won the League title in record breaking fashion, scoring 44 goals including the famous title clinching goal at the Camp Nou.
• Scored 2 goals in the CL semifinals 2nd leg against Bayern. Lost on penalties.
• Helped the heavily unfavoured Portugal to the EURO 2012 Semis, only to lose on penalties to the eventual winners. Finished Top scorer.

Decisively, he had a stronger year than Messi yet he lost by a landslide. With a little more luck on his teams side as is usually the case with penalties and he helps lead Madrid and Portugal to the CL and Euro finals, he probably goes on to win both when you consider how average the Chelsea and Italian teams were.

EDIT: Seems like I always drop dimes at peak hours.

That's his point. He is saying that Messi that year, like C.ronaldo this year, was pretty bad the first half of the year(mostly because of injuries)but then started to play great from august. And because of that, there were some who were asking the ballon d'or for Messi, even though he didn't deserve it, exactly like C.ronaldo this year. The only difference is the result..

This is a disgrace, so much butthurt and Jealousy. CR is 2 times Ballon d'or winner, this is a big piece of lie. Without him Madrid would be nothing, what a joke.

The jealousy of some journalists in football is incredible

I wouldn't go so far as to say Madrid would be nothing Nick but yeah, a lot of butthurt has taken place ever since. Some people just need to accept it and move on.

Though I'm pretty sure, the same butthurt would have taken place if either Messi or Ribery won it.

Right? I mean, you think people would just stop, but no. 400 goals at 28...speaks for itself, and bollocks about him not being decisive. he only struggles vs the likes of dortmund, barca, atletico, juve etc, but what about the 25 or so other teams he plays every year? HE DOMINATES!!! ffs

Is Gil actually 22, or younger?   

Nah man

CR sucks nick. fck logic. hes terrible!@

The_Badger wrote:Is Gil actually 22, or younger?   

Reported.

I hope you get banned. Sick of posters continuously attacking me on here and never getting reprimanded.

The butthurt in this article

Gil wrote:

The_Badger wrote:Is Gil actually 22, or younger?   

Reported.

I hope you get banned. Sick of posters continuously attacking me on here and never getting reprimanded.

The Geordie lad put a decent and comprehensive posts together and you completely, and probably deliberately twisted his words.

Why?

Mr Nick09 wrote:Right? I mean, you think people would just stop, but no. 400 goals at 28...speaks for itself, and bollocks about him not being decisive. he only struggles vs the likes of dortmund, barca, atletico, juve etc, but what about the 25 or so other teams he plays every year? HE DOMINATES!!! ffs

This paragraph is fantastic... i'm being serious too. But it probably flew right over many people's heads.

Ah yes, Clark Whitney who could be the BundesLegacy führer with his 0 tangent objectivity outside the Bundesliga. While he always has written well, he is not one to trust for such a controversial thesis given his history in presenting little knowledge outside his German domain.

Ah yes, Clark Whitney who could be the BundesLegacy führer with his 0 tangent objectivity outside the Bundesliga. While he always has written well, he is not one to trust for such a controversial thesis given his history in presenting little knowledge outside his German domain.

Rebs

Great article.

Gil wrote:

The_Badger wrote:Is Gil actually 22, or younger?   

Reported.

I hope you get banned. Sick of posters continuously attacking me on here and never getting reprimanded.

It's a bigger scandal than this article tbh. Tired of mods having a agenda towards Gil, without a doubt the forums biggest victim. Often gets accused for trolling while mostly speaking the truth, and this isn't even the worst treatment he can get from some members...

Just watch Nick actually troll and get away with it instead. Much more fair.