Rank the top 5 players in terms of finishing

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Messi
Aguero
RVP
Falcao
Higuain

Don't see what CR is doing in so many lists, he scores nice goals but takes too many off-target shots for it to count.

Ronaldo is not a great finisher, in terms of finishing i think not even top-5.
Reasons why Ronaldo scores so much:
1. His speed (gets into position faster than defenders)
2. His shot power
3. Taking too many shots per game
4. Teams play for him and feed him
5. His finishing

His finishing ability is not that great

For Messi i think its in this order:
1. His finishing (greatest instinct)
2. His agility (accelerating and taking shot takes only 1 second for messi)
3. His dribbling
4. Teams play for him and feed him
5. His fighting attitude (staying on his feet)

can any one tell me what is ronaldos shooting accuracy ?

esp he had i think as many shots as the entire Swedish team in qualifers

Cleanfart wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:Messi
Aguero
RVP
Falcao
Higuain

Don't see what CR is doing in so many lists, he scores nice goals but takes too many off-target shots for it to count.

Ronaldo is not a great finisher, in terms of finishing i think not even top-5.
Reasons why Ronaldo scores so much:
1. His speed (gets into position faster than defenders)
2. His shot power
3. Taking too many shots per game
4. Teams play for him and feed him
5. His finishing

His finishing ability is not that great

For Messi i think its in this order:
1. His finishing (greatest instinct)
2. His agility (accelerating and taking shot takes only 1 second for messi)
3. His dribbling
4. Teams play for him and feed him
5. His fighting attitude (staying on his feet)

Hi billionmillion.

Milito  

I don't think Ronaldo is a "not so special" finisher just because he takes so many shots every game. That's a misconception IMO. It's not like when he's taking 10 shots and scoring only once that he's failed 9 easy tap-ins. He's taking so many shots because his decision making isn't perfect (not his finishing ability!). In easy games where he gets many opportunities he's going for the jugular a few times (long range shots, shots from difficult angles, backheel flicks etc.) instead of keeping the game flowing. In terms of effectivity it's pointless because 90 % of long range efforts won't go in anyway. But why not? That's his style. However when a game is tight and he doesn't get many chances it doesn't mean he can't convert those few chances. See big games like Bayern, Barca, Dortmund etc. where he almost always scored the first time he was infront of goal.

See it this way. If a coach cut Ronaldo's freedom and forbid him to take long range shots, his goal per shot rate would dramatically increase. But does it mean his finishing has become better all of a sudden just because he's not allowed to shoot from distance? Logically, not at all.

The Mario Gomez example actually highlights this. The amount of chances he missed against Real Madrid in 2 legs was ridiculous. I still can't forget it. His statistics meant *bleep* all in those moments. His goal per shot statistics are godly because he's a poacher and only gets into positions where he can barely miss. Box strikers are like that in general. See Higuain and Falcao. Higuain scored 22 goals from 60 shots in 11 / 12 (2.7 shots per goal). Doesn't mean he's a better finisher than Ronaldo (5.7 shots per goal).

Messi for example scores from so few shots because his decision making is almost perfect. If he isn't sure the ball will go in, he'll keep the ball or attempt a pass. He's also not taking shots from ridiculous angles because he knows that it's pointless. Once again that doesn't tell anything about his finishing. Just his decision making.

Overall Messi is the best finisher right now. Not because of his "shots per goal" statistics. But because no one scores as many as he does (especially excluding penalties, penalties shouldn't count as "finishing ability"). Last season before he got injured Messi was on 1.25 goals per game, excluding penalties. Even Ronaldo in his current form isn't anywhere near that right now (0.86 goals per game, excluding penalties). That's a difference of 45 %! It's enormous. And make no mistake. Messi hasn't peaked yet. Ronaldo is still improving at almost 29. Messi is only 26.

you do realise though they don't operate in a vacuum? it is a team sport and the service they get and type play their team uses will affect how much they are placed in position to score. I will say this about messi, though he is capable of scoring a lot of types of goal, barca seem to create a shedload of goalscoring chances from close range in maximum opportunity areas. Exerting territorial dominance and camping outside the opponents box until they get behind and in position to set up a goal from 6-12 yards, they are very crafty, like people used to say about arsenal, they try and walk the ball into the net. Surely must be pretty beneficial to messi's goal output.

Higuain has an argument... aguero does not.  Not including Cavani is an outrage.  You can't be considered a great finisher and have less than 20% efficiency on your shots.  It's not possible.  Just quickly looking at Aguero's numbers, the last time i saw him get over 20% was in 2008-2009 prior to the beginning of this season.

Cavani, on the other hand, has been over 20% every year starting in 2010-2011.

Looks like everyone has a different criteria of what "the best finisher" means. I'm of the same opinion as futbol in this case.

DuringTheWar wrote:you do realise though they don't operate in a vacuum? it is a team sport and the service they get and type play their team uses will affect how much they are placed in position to score. I will say this about messi, though he is capable of scoring a lot of types of goal, barca seem to create a shedload of goalscoring chances from close range in maximum opportunity areas. Exerting territorial dominance and camping outside the opponents box until they get  behind and in position to set up a goal from 6-12 yards, they are very crafty, like people used to say about arsenal, they try and walk the ball into the net. Surely must be pretty beneficial to messi's goal output.

Barca is adjusted to Messi and Madrid is adjusted to Ronaldo. If both swapped teams Ronaldo wouldn't like playing with his back to goal most of the time where he can't run into space and Messi wouldn't like to make runs into space all the time because he prefers ball to feet. I don't think there is a huge difference in terms of chance creation between both teams right now. Just different styles to get the best out of their respective star players. Barca "walk it in" (although not the case anymore) and Madrid hit on the break. If at all Messi's chances are more difficult to score because he's involved in the buildup as well most of the time which means he's starting moves from deeper positions whereas Ronaldo gets at the end of passes higher up the pitch, leaving the buildup process to others. Ronaldo is much more focused and specialized on scoring than Messi.

Camping around the opponent's box doesn't really make it easier for strikers because they face a wall of bodies around them when Barca hog possession. Alexis and Pedro have both improved their goalscoring forms dramatically since Tata introduced direct transitions instead of 30 passes around the opponent's box.

sportsczy wrote:Higuain has an argument... aguero does not.  Not including Cavani is an outrage.  You can't be considered a great finisher and have less than 20% efficiency on your shots.  It's not possible.  Just quickly looking at Aguero's numbers, the last time i saw him get over 20% was in 2008-2009 prior to the beginning of this season.

Cavani, on the other hand, has been over 20% every year starting in 2010-2011.

Take a look at this season's goals by him. There are quite a few that only a very select group of footballers could've scored.

Abramovich wrote:Milito  

outstanding football INTELLIGENCE

Ronaldo's stats are skewed because he takes a whole bunch of free kicks, long shots and shots from obscure angles.

I'm not surprised by the two clowns that don't have him on their list.

Messi
Ronaldo
Falcao
Cavani
Aguero


RVP misses way too many sitters lol. No way he's Top 5.

Gil wrote:Ronaldo's stats are skewed because he takes a whole bunch of free kicks, long shots and shots from obscure angles.

I'm not surprised by the two clowns that don't have him on their list.

Messi
Ronaldo
Falcao
Cavani
Aguero


RVP misses way too many sitters lol. No way he's Top 5.

Gil showing DEM balls. Calling a mod "clown" when being on 25 %. Gil.

agreed with futbol. messi is even more lethal then Ronaldo ffs. god help your team when hes 1v1 lol

Messi
Ronaldo
RVP
Aguero
Falcow

@futbol: Its like everytime i see your sig it gets better