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Post by Clockwork Orange Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:59 pm

As most astute football fans are aware of, since the death of Rinus Michels, our football has been split into 2 sides, Cruijffism and van Gaalism. Though this men differ they are still different sides of the same coin in terms of their philosophy. The great Cruijff, as Dennis Bergkamp said, loved technical players and believed that each player should be able to create solutions with problems and should not be afraid to make mistakes, while van Gaal was a believer in strict drills and following a system, he also beleubed no player was greater than the system. It has been the biggest divide in Dutch football, who do we follow? van Gaal was the last manager to take Dutch football to the pinnacle of football, but Senior Cruijff's philsophy ois what has made Barcelona so great. I stayed up at night sometimes, frustrated, sometimes even crying trying to come up with a solution that could balance out Dutch football, I lost 16 kg doing this because I could not eat.

I had finally reached breaking point, I went outside and stared at the bronze statue of Rinus Michels hoping to get some answers, I then had an epiphany, a system working in perfect harmony with each players individual abilities and taking the level of the team to a whole new level, I felt like I had made a startling discpvery, this is what Newton must have felt like when the apple hit him on the head! Then it dawned on me, I had already seen this, where unique talent was maximised so greatly by the system put in place by a coach, that each individuals level was doubled. I am talking about the team that scored 6 goals at the Santiago Bernebeu, I am talking about the team that gave the anti football incarnate himself, Jose Mourinho the greatest defeat in his career, I am talking about a team whose philosophy, and by extension, Dutch philosophy won the world cup through Spanish national side, I am talking about the team that went to the spiritual home of football in Wembley and showed just how far behind English football is behind, yes, I am talking about FC Barcelona. I then realised that a lot of the things I went through, Guardiola had already been through them, the weight loss, the sleepless nights, the loss of hair, the rapid aging and the deterioration of both his physical and mental health. Was Guardiola also in the process of Uniting van Gaalism and Cruijffism? He was after all a disciple of both of them. Is this what made him take a year long break from football? Is Bayern his way of finally putting his theory to the test?

I feel that there was an ultimate convergence at at the 2011 champions league final before Lionel Messi took over the system. This is where Barcelona started to fail. Guardiola has another chance with Bayern, a second chance not many get in life. I for one am looking forward to the unison between van Gaalism and Cruijffism. If it is perfected, it would be a bigger achievement than anything, perhaps just dwarfed by the possible unification of general relativity and quantum mechanics. Thank you


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First team that attempted to unify both theories

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Post by Kick Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:03 pm

@Clockwork Orange wrote:As most astute football fans are aware of, since the death of Rinus Michels, our football has been split into 2 sides, Cruijffism and van Gaalism. Though this men differ they are still different sides of the same coin in terms of their philosophy. The great Cruijff, as Dennis Bergkamp said, loved technical players and believed that each player should be able to create solutions with problems and should not be afraid to make mistakes, while van Gaal was a believer in strict drills and following a system, he also beleubed no player was greater than the system. It has been the biggest divide in Dutch football, who do we follow? van Gaal was the last manager to take Dutch football to the pinnacle of football, but Senior Cruijff's philsophy ois what has made Barcelona so great. I stayed up at night sometimes, frustrated, sometimes even crying trying to come up with a solution that could balance out Dutch football, I lost 16 kg doing this because I could not eat.

I had finally reached breaking point, I went outside and stared at the bronze statue of Rinus Michels hoping to get some answers, I then had an epiphany, a system working in perfect harmony with each players individual abilities and taking the level of the team to a whole new level, I felt like I had made a startling discpvery, this is what Einstein must have felt like the apple hit him on the head! Then it dawned on me, I had already seen this, where unique talent was maximised so greatly by the system put in place by a coach, that each individuals level was doubled. I am talking about the team that scored 6 goals at the Santiago Bernebeu, I am talking about the team that gave the anti football incarnate himself, Jose Mourinho the greatest defeat in his career, I am talking about a team whose philosophy, and by extension, Dutch philosophy won the world cup through Spanish national side, I am talking about the team that went to the spiritual home of football in Wembley and showed just how far behind English football is behind, yes, I am talking about FC Barcelona. I then realised that a lot of the things I went through, Guardiola had already been through them, the weight loss, the sleepless nights, the loss of hair, the rapid aging. Was Guardiola also in the process of Uniting van Gaalism and Cruijffism? He was after all a disciple of both of them. Is this what made him take a year long break from football? Is Bayern his way of finally putting his theory to the test?

I feel that there was an ultimate convergence at at the 2011 champions league final before Lionel Messi took over the system. This is where Barcelona started to fail. Guardiola has another chance with Bayern, a second chance not many get in life. I for one am looking forward to the unison between van Gaalism and Cruijffism. If it is perfected, it would be a bigger achievement than anything, perhaps just dwarfed by the possible unification of general relativity and quantum mechanics. Thank you
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Post by jibers Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:09 pm

@Clockwork Orange wrote:As most astute football fans are aware of, since the death of Rinus Michels, our football has been split into 2 sides, Cruijffism and van Gaalism. Though this men differ they are still different sides of the same coin in terms of their philosophy. The great Cruijff, as Dennis Bergkamp said, loved technical players and believed that each player should be able to create solutions with problems and should not be afraid to make mistakes, while van Gaal was a believer in strict drills and following a system, he also beleubed no player was greater than the system. It has been the biggest divide in Dutch football, who do we follow? van Gaal was the last manager to take Dutch football to the pinnacle of football, but Senior Cruijff's philsophy ois what has made Barcelona so great. I stayed up at night sometimes, frustrated, sometimes even crying trying to come up with a solution that could balance out Dutch football, I lost 16 kg doing this because I could not eat.

I had finally reached breaking point, I went outside and stared at the bronze statue of Rinus Michels hoping to get some answers, I then had an epiphany, a system working in perfect harmony with each players individual abilities and taking the level of the team to a whole new level, I felt like I had made a startling discpvery, this is what Newton must have felt like when the apple hit him on the head! Then it dawned on me, I had already seen this, where unique talent was maximised so greatly by the system put in place by a coach, that each individuals level was doubled. I am talking about the team that scored 6 goals at the Santiago Bernebeu, I am talking about the team that gave the anti football incarnate himself, Jose Mourinho the greatest defeat in his career, I am talking about a team whose philosophy, and by extension, Dutch philosophy won the world cup through Spanish national side, I am talking about the team that went to the spiritual home of football in Wembley and showed just how far behind English football is behind, yes, I am talking about FC Barcelona. I then realised that a lot of the things I went through, Guardiola had already been through them, the weight loss, the sleepless nights, the loss of hair, the rapid aging. Was Guardiola also in the process of Uniting van Gaalism and Cruijffism? He was after all a disciple of both of them. Is this what made him take a year long break from football? Is Bayern his way of finally putting his theory to the test?

I feel that there was an ultimate convergence at at the 2011 champions league final before Lionel Messi took over the system. This is where Barcelona started to fail. Guardiola has another chance with Bayern, a second chance not many get in life. I for one am looking forward to the unison between van Gaalism and Cruijffism. If it is perfected, it would be a bigger achievement than anything, perhaps just dwarfed by the possible unification of general relativity and quantum mechanics. Thank you
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Post by Casciavit Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:07 am

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Post by free_cat Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:27 am

Best poster ever.
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Post by Hawky Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:31 am

This genuinely made my day Very Happy .
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Post by free_cat Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:24 am

Dude, I just came across this article on whoscored:

http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/c8-iteclvkemlnbost07qg/Show/Team-Focus-Explaining-Ajaxs-Style-Under-De-Boer

Did you read it before posting? What do you think, is De Boer's ajax also solving the enigma?
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Post by Gil Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:51 am

Jibers/Clockwork you should seriously contemplate becoming a writer. Normally I'd post 'tldr' but I was actually fully engaged reading this post till to the very last word. Molenation


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Post by jibers Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:55 am

@Gil wrote:Jibers/Clockwork you should seriously contemplate becoming a writer. Normally I'd post tldr but I was actually engaged reading this post, to the very last word. Molenation
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Post by Don't call me James Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:48 am

I bow to you good sir :bow:

Made my day this thread Proud
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Post by futbol Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:02 am

My dear Clockwork Orange,

let me first tell you how much I enjoyed your disquisition on this very important subject. I will make no secret of it, when I first read about your Newtonian analogy, I had to squeal like a suckling pig before it gets slaughtered, that's how much it filled my heart with joy. I too have lost all my hair brainstorming about this very subject every night but what are a few ounces of hair compared to an issue that is plaguing manking for so many years now like war, starvation, racism, overpopulation and Rihanna?

During my very own studies about uniting van Gaalism and Cruyffism I've come across the need to experiment and not just theorize, just like the great Galileo Galilei and his experiments about the free fall of objects. So I went on and built the Large Dutch Collider. Similar to the Large Hadron Collider it is used to let particles collide and see what happens afterwards. Here you can see me experimenting under optimal conditions (scattering Dutch and Spanish particles, isolated in a WC final - very unique setup):

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And after long evaluations I have to say that I came to the same conclusion as you. Since Messi started to grow around 2011, Barcelona as a collective started to deviate from their old successful trajectory. And I think my Large Dutch Collidor experimental results also tell me why. It seems to be a very normal effect in fact. Like an atom with a very heavy nucleus - and who could be a bigger nucleus than Messi with 10 others revolving around him? - it becomes harder to change its momentum and thus the overall trajectory than when a lightweight nucleus is involved - like at Bayern. The conclusion is very simple: van Gaaffism is only possible with lightweigt nuclei. I think there is no need to worry though in terms of Barcelona because Barcelona now have gotten the lightestweight nucleus possible to replace the ever growing Messi: Nerman Jr. Of course splitting the atom to remove the old nucleus will be a tough process because the old nucleus will naturaly want to stay where it is, even when injured. But as recent events proof, Barcelona is on a good way.

Sincerely yours,

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Post by Amar Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:03 am

This is gold :bow:
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Post by LeBéninois Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:30 am

@jibers wrote:
@Gil wrote:Jibers/Clockwork you should seriously contemplate becoming a writer. Normally I'd post tldr but I was actually engaged reading this post, to the very last word. Molenation
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Prove you're not Clockwork :coffee:
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Post by jibers Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:34 am

Bénin wrote:
@jibers wrote:
@Gil wrote:Jibers/Clockwork you should seriously contemplate becoming a writer. Normally I'd post tldr but I was actually engaged reading this post, to the very last word. Molenation
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Prove you're not Clockwork :coffee:
I'm still posting here :facepalm: Laughing
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Post by LeBéninois Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:49 am

@jibers wrote:
Bénin wrote:
@jibers wrote::facepalm:
Prove you're not Clockwork :coffee:
I'm still posting here :facepalm:Laughing
I've never seen you posted right after Clockwork did :coffee:

Don't be ashame to be CO ... your writing is amazing

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:50 am

All I took from that was, if you want to lose weight you should follow dutch football.
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Post by jibers Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:53 am

@Tomwin Lannister wrote:All I took from that was, if you want to lose weight you should follow dutch football.
Dat intermittent cruyffian diet Proud
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:55 am

He always was a system dieter Proud
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Post by Gil Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:15 am

I miss you CO. Crying or Very sad
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Post by fatman123 Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:35 pm

Great work there from huntsjibes oranje
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Post by Clockwork Orange Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:51 am

Update:

It looks like the dream of seeing the two famed schools combined into one philosophy is nothing but a lucid dream. Each season, Pep Guardiola has shifted his spectrum closer to Van Gaalism, and last season's shameful defeat to the anti football of Real Madrid confirmed this further. Josep Guardiola has chosen his path. I hope this does not come back to bite him.
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Post by Casciavit Wed May 12, 2021 7:39 pm

Betty's Ghana post had me trying to find this. This really is the greatest GL post ever. If we are bringing back banned members, CO needs to be on top of the list.

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