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Post by salmano9 Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:48 pm

Did you guys know that the last time tevez scored in UCL was in 2009 with Man. Utd?

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Post by Fuzail Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:59 pm


People stop overreacting

If caceres didn't give the ball away and we went on to win 2-0 or 3-1 would you be saying we can win the champions league?

We were clearly better over the two games and we're just a bit unlucky

Formation is good

Can you honestly say any of our midfield four played bad?

It was a good performance

We will beat Copenhagen and then all we need is to avoidddefeat at galatasaray

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Post by salmano9 Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:14 pm

I really hope that we beat Copenhaven next match and RM win Galatasaray...
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Post by DeviAngel Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:50 pm

stop overreacting we are going to qualify plus we played really good game and didn't have luck... Anyone else noticed that after going down 1-2 we switched to 3-5-2 and exposed their defense ?
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Post by sportsczy Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:01 am

Madrid had 54% of the possession in this game and put up 17 shots... so it's not like Juve were the better team.  First half was Juve's and second half was Madrid's.  So the final score seems fair to me.

The good for Juve
-  Llorente looks better and better
-  Pogba, Vidal and Marchisio are all top quality players
-  The shape looked good and organized

The bad for Juve
-  Tevez is active but not very effective
-  The width both on defense and on the attack is poor
-  Aging stars in Buffon and Pirlo
-  CBs are definitely not as good as advertised.  Understand Chielinni wasn't there... but still.  Flat footed too often.

Not sure how to rate Juve tbh.  A lot depends on Pirlo since the whole scheme revolves around him.  Given his current form, i can't say that i'm very optimistic... Juve has to be a defensive juggernaut too like the past 2 years. So far, it's not and that's the second most noticeable thing after Pirlo.

Nothing's lost for Juve... but it needs to get fixed sooner rather than later now.
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Post by Arquitecto Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:03 am

Actually Sports, I think today was one of Llorente's lesser games. Given his excellent record vs Madrid and the play expected outside goals, he looked considerably disjointed and strangely out of balance. Yet his goal a testament to how he turns up in big games versus better teams. The battle between Varane and him was excellent, as the kid deserves plaudits for how he handled Fernando.

Glad you saw Marchisio's tactical excellence in his wide sacrificial role, which shows your experience in not seeing football in one dimension.

I disagree on Pirlo as for me he was one of the best players one the pitch and was transcendent 2nd half, distributing in excellent calculation for Juventus while the rest faded out.

CBs had to adjust to a 4-man after years of playing a 3 man, to which Barzagli was impressive while Bonnuci's position was switched 3 times within the space of the game.

Agreed as a whole.
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Post by elm_baraja_shaman Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:08 am

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Every team against us in the CL score something ridiculous like 1 goal from 2 shots sometimes 1 for 1.

Our defence have been insanely shaky (Licht is missed so much) and our attack in Europe isn't good enough.
That avatar Laughing

and still undefeated when Baraja is mentioned in gameday :bow:

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Post by dronte Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:37 am

Actually I'm verry worried about Marchisio's current form. Couldn't even believe Conte let him play the whole match.

And to all those who are saying Marchisio is doing great defensive work, that's just total bullsh*t. He was totally invisible yesterday, most of RM-s attacks came from the other flank, Marchisio had a below average passing rate and got a grand total of 40 touches on the ball in the whole match (that's the worst in the team by far, again).

I can tell you the name of the guy who actually did amazing defensive job: Tevez. He tracked down many times to help out Asamoah even had some crucial tackles.

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Post by S Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:29 am

Disappointed that once again defensive howlers cost us the game.You could see after Caceres made that costly mistake ,the momentum of the game changed but still we did well to fight back in the game.
I think the vast difference of the quality in attack was noticeable as well.Thats what world class players do.They take their chances ,they're more clinical and we sadly werent.
I think people need to stop overcrediting Casillas.He was gerat but there were atleast 2-3 great opportunities and some of our players shot straight at the keeper.See,these are things we need to work on if we need to become a world beater team.
And am i the only one who felt nervous everytime Pirlo had the ball ? Half of the time he looked like he'd give the ball away and we'd end up getting caught on the counters but he was very lucky in some instances.
He did well,not a masterclass by any means and i'm thankful to him for resurrecting Juventus after years of misery but i hope come summer both ourselves and Pirlo have a move on honestly.
Also regarding Bonucci,i've defended him from some of the criticisms here and other forums but i'll never feel like he'll ever be a great defender.A good ball playing CB but an average defender in total.
Good thing Copenhagen won.Now the ball is in our court.If we cant win the next two games,then we dont deserve to be in the CL,simple as.
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Post by Fuzail Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:22 am

I really do not understand the hate on Marchisio

What are you expecting him to do?

He played better than Vidal in my opinion

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Post by DeviAngel Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:58 am

yesterday he had perfect game tactically even Ancelotti confirmed it
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Post by S Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:07 pm

Fuzail wrote:He played better than Vidal in my opinion
Fanboyism to the extreme this.

I thought he did well yesterday but to say he performed better than Vidal who in my opinion was Juve's MOM is just plain laughable.
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Post by dronte Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:44 pm

It's not hating, I've been a fan of Marchisio since he joined our primary team, but he is just below average since his injury. People always seem to defend him with the same thing, that he does will in defense, not like RM tried anything on his side (Bale effect)

I expect him to add more threat to our attack and even score goals like he did last year. Defensively he didn't have much to do. Kinda the same what Pogba did yesterday (played in a different position now though)

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:29 pm

Im not coming down hard on Marchisio for this at all

We're playing a left center midfielder as a right forward/right winger.


If he had a similarly average game from CM, yeah i'd be annoyed. But he is being played grossly out of position because we had no other choice in a 4-3-3


I think 4-3-1-2 would be a better option short-term in Europe

------------------------------Buffon-----------------------------
Licht---------Barzagli------------------Bonucci--------Chiellini
---------Vidal---------------Pirlo----------------Marchisio-----
-----------------------------Pogba------------------------------
-------------Tevez----------------------Llorente---------------


Asamoah could replace Pirlo when he tires, Marchisio could rotate with Pogba positionally speaking, Vucinic could easily work his way into that team also with a string of good performances.

Tevez has never been offensively effective in the CL, Llorente is still working his way to top form. So drop Mirko in as a sub or in place of one of them


If we needed goals, we drop Tevez in behind 2 strikers as a last resort.
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Post by Andrew Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:14 pm

When will Vucinic and Lichsteiner return from their injuries ?

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Post by Fuzail Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:32 pm

People have a problem with Marchisio

You are playing him as a striker and expect him to play as a midfielder?

He almost scored twice

I am not a fan boy

I just like the Juventus game play with Marchisio on the pitch

Vidal dribbles and shoots from long distances
Pogba same
Pirlo does some weird things no one understands, he's pirlo for Gods sake
Marchisio passes the ball. It's as simple as that

Marchisio gets the ball and passes it on

Just tell me how many times does Marchisio lose the ball in a game?

I can tell you pogba will lose the ball at least thrice every game. But it doesn't matter because that's not why Pogba is here

Marchisio slows the game and allows us to control it

You can take him out of the team and we will concede weird goals again like at the beginning of the season during his injury



I really want to know (no fight, just want to know) how did Vidal play better than Marchisio? And what if Casilas didn't save his header? Would Marchisio have played a good game in your opinion? See for me that's just lame

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Post by Fuzail Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:38 pm

I may sound a little angry

I just don't like it when hard work is not appreciated and flahiness is

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:41 pm

I agree with you on most points tbh


Personally, thought Vidal was excellent last night though.

I have criticised Marchisio in the past. But i'll say it again, we can't go mad because he's not tearing games up playing as a hard-working right forward considering he's quite obviously spent most of his career in an entirely different role and position

Not to mention, he's playing this new role against Marcelo and Ronaldo ffs.
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Post by Fuzail Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:43 pm

It's like everyone saying Ronaldo is having a great season, the goals he is scoring are laughable

Just because marchisio does not have a "direct impact" he's regarded as a flop
He put Llorente through and tevez through once
If they had scored, all hail Marchisio Razz

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Post by FilthyLuca Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:58 pm

theres nothing laughable about his goals, but I agree about marchisio. just because the camera follows the ball, doesn't mean marchisio is "invisible". if you were at the stadium, ou wouldn't be talking like that. just because he doesn't score goals doesn't mean he didn't contribute as much, if not more than others

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Post by dronte Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:20 pm

He had 40 touches on the ball, by far the least in our team, even Llorente had more. What do you say about that?
Stop twisting my words, I'm not talking about goalscoring, rather just simply being in the game..

Tom is right about his position, but bigger concern he hasn't really played better even in his natural midfield role.


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Post by FilthyLuca Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:43 pm

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Post by FilthyLuca Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:44 pm

dronte wrote:He had 40 touches on the ball, by far the least in our team, even Llorente had more. What do you say about that?
Stop twisting my words, I'm not talking about goalscoring, rather just simply being in the game..

Tom is right about his position, but bigger concern he hasn't really played better even in his natural midfield role.

I was talking in general, if I was referring to your post, I would've quoted it. the man covers a lot of ground and marks people, not everything a player does can be recorded as a stat.

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Post by Fuzail Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:21 am

The fact is conte plays him

I haven't come across any player being given a chance when he didn't deserve it

The main thing is, we are playing really good

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