Barclay's Premier League discussion '13-'14 V3

Chumlum wrote:Spurs spent so much money on a couple of those bench players. Dembele, Eriksen, and Lamela all on the bench.

   

CBarca wrote:

Chumlum wrote:Spurs spent so much money on a couple of those bench players. Dembele, Eriksen, and Lamela all on the bench.

   

Not sure if serious or just jealous of Spurs depth.

CBarca wrote:

Chumlum wrote:Spurs spent so much money on a couple of those bench players. Dembele, Eriksen, and Lamela all on the bench.

   

Not sure if serious or just jealous of Spurs depth.

But yes, in seriousness, I do admit Spurs have mostly bought fairly well the last few seasons. Many of the recent signings are individuals I would have welcomed at Arsenal at the moment Tottenham signed them. A few cases though it's been over the odds - e.g. Soldado, who's quite a good player of course but £26m good? Don't know about that. But anyway it's just weird that so much money has been spent on what are effectively bench/rotation players for a non-CL club. With Chelsea and Man City you can see it, but those are teams that have won the league recently, play regularly in the CL, and have virtually unlimited funds. Even then it looks weird to me to have e.g. Mata or Jovetic sitting bench so much.

The Franchise wrote:

vivabarca38 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Very telling.

I am more critical of the lack of good adjustment from Rodgers rather than the starting line up.

They had a plan to play to their strengths I can only assume, but it became pretty clear early they were coming off second best.

Arsenal had little width or depth, to me, Liverpool should of quickly  dropped off into their own half, midfield and backline close together and no space in between the lines. Pack the middle completely.

The fear of 5 man backline is often 2 v 1 on the wings, Arsenal would of rarely of done that because their front 4 dont spend much time on the wings, they could of had a straight battle between fullback and wingbacks and completely pack the middle.

Would of left Saurez and Sturridge isolated yes, but if Arsenal are going to try and break Pool down the fullbacks would of had to come up and this space is what Suarez thrives on because he loves to run into channels and drag the centerbacks from the middle.

Again, not totally critical of the starting line up or even the plan, but the adjustments were not good. Changing to 4 at the back and then to 3 really didnt solve what the situation was.

This would have bever worked lol.Arsenal would have managed to score with all that possession and tpthey have so many guys to create chances and score and even Liverpool were playing with no playmaker so the build up play  would have moved so slowly from the back and since Arsenal apply little to no pressure the Liverpool players would have eventually had to push up a little bit to be able to play short passes to  pthe strikers.p or Gerrard would have been forced to play long balls to Suarez and Sturridge all game against Kos and Mert and that never would have worked unless it's on the break and it's almost impossible to counter attack Arsenal anyways and it would be way mire harder with no Playmaker.

Liverpool's problems lied in Midfield basically.Henderson was playing on the right alot for some reason and that eft them with two in the middle.The two were outnumbered so they did as in normal situations and were like right infront of the defence to protect the backline but they shouldn't have done that.Basically Gerrard,Lucas and Skrtel and sometimes even TOure were all markingg the same player in Giroud whilst Arsenal dominated possession easily.The two in midfield should have applied some pressure on Arsenaal even by fake ressing to allow them to move the ball a little quicker ande ventually lose the ball.But being two static allowed Arsenal to dominate and one or 2 of the 5 in midfield would make a run that would not be followed and he'd be on goal.Also,Pressing of Suarez and Sturridge was almost non-existent.Arsenal should not have been that relaxed.Johnson was crucial as well as Flanagan was playing as more of a full back then a wing back.

What good is possession if there is no space to create chances?

You just assume they will create chances, why? What type of chances?

And what playmaker do Liverpool need if you are playing on the counter attack? As I said, if you force the Arsenal forwards up, Suarez spins into that space and Gerrard is easily capable of playing direct balls into space.

vivabarca38 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:

vivabarca38 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:Very telling.

I am more critical of the lack of good adjustment from Rodgers rather than the starting line up.

They had a plan to play to their strengths I can only assume, but it became pretty clear early they were coming off second best.

Arsenal had little width or depth, to me, Liverpool should of quickly  dropped off into their own half, midfield and backline close together and no space in between the lines. Pack the middle completely.

The fear of 5 man backline is often 2 v 1 on the wings, Arsenal would of rarely of done that because their front 4 dont spend much time on the wings, they could of had a straight battle between fullback and wingbacks and completely pack the middle.

Would of left Saurez and Sturridge isolated yes, but if Arsenal are going to try and break Pool down the fullbacks would of had to come up and this space is what Suarez thrives on because he loves to run into channels and drag the centerbacks from the middle.

Again, not totally critical of the starting line up or even the plan, but the adjustments were not good. Changing to 4 at the back and then to 3 really didnt solve what the situation was.

This would have bever worked lol.Arsenal would have managed to score with all that possession and tpthey have so many guys to create chances and score and even Liverpool were playing with no playmaker so the build up play  would have moved so slowly from the back and since Arsenal apply little to no pressure the Liverpool players would have eventually had to push up a little bit to be able to play short passes to  pthe strikers.p or Gerrard would have been forced to play long balls to Suarez and Sturridge all game against Kos and Mert and that never would have worked unless it's on the break and it's almost impossible to counter attack Arsenal anyways and it would be way mire harder with no Playmaker.

Liverpool's problems lied in Midfield basically.Henderson was playing on the right alot for some reason and that eft them with two in the middle.The two were outnumbered so they did as in normal situations and were like right infront of the defence to protect the backline but they shouldn't have done that.Basically Gerrard,Lucas and Skrtel and sometimes even TOure were all markingg the same player in Giroud whilst Arsenal dominated possession easily.The two in midfield should have applied some pressure on Arsenaal even by fake ressing to allow them to move the ball a little quicker ande ventually lose the ball.But being two static allowed Arsenal to dominate and one or 2 of the 5 in midfield would make a run that would not be followed and he'd be on goal.Also,Pressing of Suarez and Sturridge was almost non-existent.Arsenal should not have been that relaxed.Johnson was crucial as well as Flanagan was playing as more of a full back then a wing back.

What good is possession if there is no space to create chances?

You just assume they will create chances, why? What type of chances?

And what playmaker do Liverpool need if you are playing on the counter attack? As I said, if you force the Arsenal forwards up, Suarez spins into that space and Gerrard is easily capable of playing direct balls into space.

Having your gameplan be relying on a 35 year old DLP for counters and one of the most error prone defences in the premier league is an extremely risky plan esp in such an important game.Also,Arsenal players make more runs than probs any team in the world.It's not easy at all to defend that,you see guys like Ozil and Cazorla and Ramsey all over the field.

The Franchise wrote:

vivabarca38 wrote:

The Franchise wrote:What good is possession if there is no space to create chances?

You just assume they will create chances, why? What type of chances?

And what playmaker do Liverpool need if you are playing on the counter attack? As I said, if you force the Arsenal forwards up, Suarez spins into that space and Gerrard is easily capable of playing direct balls into space.

Having your gameplan be relying on a 35 year old DLP for counters and one of the most error prone defences in the premier league is an extremely risky plan esp in such an important game.Also,Arsenal players make more runs than probs any team in the world.It's not easy at all to defend that,you see guys like Ozil and Cazorla and Ramsey all over the field.

What does his age have to do with him playing direct balls? I dont even....

And who cares what runs they make if you defend the middle? They dont run wide or behind the defence, so it makes no difference. If you clog the middle space, their runs wont do anything because they would be moving from defensive midfielder to the other. Their off ball running was most devasting with the exact same plan they had yesterday (the opposite of what im suggesting), leaving Lucas alone to deal with the space they play in.

free_cat wrote:How in he'll Dawson still plays for spurs?
Deulofeu with a wonderful play almost scored. Spurs is so boring.