OFFICIAL: FIFA Ballon d'or 2013 - Voting extended

Khaled wrote:
How do you compare two players?

Their overall attributes, naturally.

I really don't get why someone said Ronaldo should win it . He had a great season and being top 3 would be well deserved but it's between Ribéry and Messi.
But imo Ribéry's situation is like Sneijder 2010. Now people who vote for the ballon d'or vote as they want , hence a lot of players would get considerable votes.

Same debate every year ..

Bénin wrote:I really don't get why someone said Ronaldo should win it . He had a great season and being top 3 would be well deserved but it's between Ribéry and Messi.
But imo Ribéry's situation is like Sneijder 2010. Now people who vote for the ballon d'or vote as they want , hence  a lot of players would get considerable votes.

I don't quite understand why Messi should win this season, either.

juventus101 wrote:What has Ronaldo done to deserve even being in the conversation about winning it. He should obviously make the shortlist but shouldnt even be close to winning it. The shortlist is hard to make, but I think the Top 3 should be Ribery, Messi, and Schweinsteiger. Robben should also put up a fight to be in the top 3 and would also be ahead of Ronaldo.

It would be a shame if Robben made the top 3, he didn't play a good portion of the season. However, the shortlist and top three will not matter as once again Messi will win the award.

The Awesome wrote:

Khaled wrote:
How do you compare two players?

Their overall attributes, naturally.

Can you explain more.

For example, Messi can finish like Pele, dribble like Maradona and he's a world class playmaker.
He's the most complete player ever.

Cristiano is a great goalscorer, but he's far behind in terms of dribbling, passing, creating, team work and overall achievements!

Why in hell would messi deserve to win this year?

Harmonica wrote:Why should Ribery win it, he wasn't good in the CL and didn't carry Bayern to the league Maradona Napoli style, like Messi did?

Don't compare a that Napoli to this Barcelona.

It's a terrible comparison.

Only time that logic would apply is if Messi moves to another team while he is still relevant and pulls off what he does now at Barca.

FalcaoPunch wrote:Why in hell would messi deserve to win this year?

Carried Barcelona to league, Maradona Napoli style. Scored 21 league games straight, expressing never seen consistency and efficiency. Showed unlimited individualism when he came and lifted Barcelona to CL-semis, still being unfit. All these are beyond anything what Cronaldo, or Ribery did to showcase their craft.

Khaled wrote:

The Awesome wrote:

Khaled wrote:
How do you compare two players?

Their overall attributes, naturally.

Can you explain more.

For example, Messi can finish like Pele, dribble like Maradona and he's a world class playmaker.
He's the most complete player ever.

Cristiano is a great goalscorer, but he's far behind in terms of dribbling, passing, creating, team work and overall achievements!

Yes, but he's far ahead in in terms of Speed, Strength, Stamina and is quite an Iron Man as he hardly injures himself not to mention the he can also Dribble, Cross, FK & PK, Heading, and a Long Shot combine that with Tenacity. CR's definetely the more complete player. But of course, it isn't enough.

The reason I put Ribery ahead of Ronnie or Messi his season is simply because he's lead (has been leading for some time now along with Robben) Bayern to the final stages of important competitions. It was high time he finally got his gold. Same reason why I put Iniesta & Xavi as deserved Ballon' D'Or Winners.

FalcaoPunch wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Why should Ribery win it, he wasn't good in the CL and didn't carry Bayern to the league Maradona Napoli style, like Messi did?

Don't compare a that Napoli to this Barcelona.

It's a terrible comparison.

Only time that logic would apply is if Messi moves to another team while he is still relevant and pulls off what he does now at Barca.

Don't talk about something you have absolutely no clue about.

The Awesome wrote:

Khaled wrote:

The Awesome wrote:Their overall attributes, naturally.

Can you explain more.

For example, Messi can finish like Pele, dribble like Maradona and he's a world class playmaker.
He's the most complete player ever.

Cristiano is a great goalscorer, but he's far behind in terms of dribbling, passing, creating, team work and overall achievements!

Yes, but he's far ahead in in terms of Speed, Strength, Stamina and is quite an Iron Man as he hardly injures himself not to mention the he can also Dribble, Cross, FK & PK, Heading, and a Long Shot combine that with Tenacity. CR's definetely the more complete player. But of course, it isn't enough.

The reason I put Ribery ahaed of Ronnie or Messi is simply because he's lead (has been leading for some time now along with Robben) Bayern to the final stages of important competitions. It was high time he finally got his gold.

There attributes have nothing to do with FOOTBALL Skills [Finishing, Passing, Creating, Dribbling, these are the main qualities for a forward].
Speed (last time I checked Messi was 6th in terms most fast football players, Cristiano only 2Km faster..)
Strength and Stamina? unlike Cristiano who falls after every contact, Messi stays on his feet which help dribbler 3+ players!

Complete player?
who carries if he finishes by head, left or right foot. What matters is number of goals and his conversion.

Harmonica wrote:

FalcaoPunch wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Why should Ribery win it, he wasn't good in the CL and didn't carry Bayern to the league Maradona Napoli style, like Messi did?

Don't compare a that Napoli to this Barcelona.

It's a terrible comparison.

Only time that logic would apply is if Messi moves to another team while he is still relevant and pulls off what he does now at Barca.

Don't talk about something you have absolutely no clue about.

Don't talk about comparing a Napoli that without a doubt did not have a squad as complete as this current Barcelona and their only standout was Maradona that helped lift that team.

You're clueless in comparing Maradona and his Napoli and Messi and his Barcelona.

Khaled wrote:
There attributes have nothing to do with FOOTBALL Skills

*sigh* Smh

FalcaoPunch wrote:

Harmonica wrote:

FalcaoPunch wrote:Don't compare a that Napoli to this Barcelona.

It's a terrible comparison.

Only time that logic would apply is if Messi moves to another team while he is still relevant and pulls off what he does now at Barca.

Don't talk about something you have absolutely no clue about.

Don't talk about comparing a Napoli that without a doubt did not have a squad as complete as this current Barcelona and their only standout was Maradona that helped lift that team.

You're clueless in comparing Maradona and his Napoli and Messi and his Barcelona.

I didn't compare Barcelona and Napoli, I compared the relation between Messi/Barca and Maradona/Napoli.

Ronaldo being physically more complete than Messi doesn't make him overall more complete. Messi is more complete technically. Also I think technical skills are more valuable on the big stage. Technical skills can impact the match more.

The Awesome wrote:

Khaled wrote:
There attributes have nothing to do with FOOTBALL Skills

*sigh* Smh

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When you compare two players, you compare their FOOTBALL skills. We're playing football, its not a 100m race

Even interms of Stamina and strenght, Messi is still ahead....

Khaled wrote:

The Awesome wrote:

Khaled wrote:
There attributes have nothing to do with FOOTBALL Skills

*sigh* Smh

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When you compare to players, who compare their FOOTBALL skills. We're playing football, its not 100m race  

I think we're done here.

If one cannot comprehend to understand that Physicality is an important attribute as every other attribute than......what can I say.

Khaled wrote:What matters is number of goals and his conversion.

And exactly that shouldn't matter for the Ballon d'Or. After all, GKs can be superb, too, but other than Rogério Ceni they are usually not great scorers for their team. ^^

Although I don't agree, lets say CR is better physically. How does this help him in a football match?
Speed, Stamina and Strength are attributes that should help you to finish better [power] and dribble better [stay on his feet] etc...

As we know, Messi is a better finisher and better dribbler...

Again, why are assuming that Critisano is better physically. Why does he fall down after every contact, while Messi can stay on his feet?

rwo power wrote:

Khaled wrote:What matters is number of goals and his conversion.

And exactly that shouldn't matter for the Ballon d'Or. After all, GKs can be superb, too, but other than Rogério Ceni they are usually not great scorers for their team. ^^

did you read the whole post? :-)
I said when you compare two players in terms of finishing, number of goals and conversion rate what matters. I'am not talking the ballon d'or.

Infact, in a previous post I mentioned that its not about who scores more. Its overall individual performance, influence on the team and individual/team achievements!

Yohan Modric wrote:Ronaldo being physically more complete than Messi doesn't make him overall more complete. Messi is more complete technically. Also I think technical skills are more valuable on the big stage. Technical skills can impact the match more.

It all depends on how good the player is at what he does. Messi & Ronaldo are both the best at what they do and that's why in La Liga they're both more or less unstoppble. Ribery isn't as Physical nor Technical as Ronnie or Messi but I see a much better Leader than either of them. And that leadership has proven vital for Bayern's recent succeses. Finally, now we see Ribery contending the Ballon D'Or, which I believe should be his this season.

Khaled wrote:did you read the whole post? :-)
I said when you compare two players in terms of finishing, number of goals and conversion rate what matters. I'am not talking the ballon d'or.

Infact, in a previous post I mentioned that its not about who scores more. Its overall individual performance, influence on the team and individual/team achievements!

Oops. Looks what happens when I'm installing a new kernel, watch the Friday BL match and look at the chat, too. My apologies ^^

But still I'd like to see at least Manuel Neuer and Roman Weidenfeller in the Ballon d'Or shortlist ^^

Harmonica wrote:

FalcaoPunch wrote:

Harmonica wrote:Don't talk about something you have absolutely no clue about.

Don't talk about comparing a Napoli that without a doubt did not have a squad as complete as this current Barcelona and their only standout was Maradona that helped lift that team.

You're clueless in comparing Maradona and his Napoli and Messi and his Barcelona.

:facepalm:I didn't compare Barcelona and Napoli, I compared the relation between Messi/Barca and Maradona/Napoli.

The relations of carrying a team, yes I get it.
Now think for a sec as to which team was heavier.

rwo power wrote:

Khaled wrote:did you read the whole post? :-)
I said when you compare two players in terms of finishing, number of goals and conversion rate what matters. I'am not talking the ballon d'or.

Infact, in a previous post I mentioned that its not about who scores more. Its overall individual performance, influence on the team and individual/team achievements!

Oops. Looks what happens when I'm installing a new kernel, watch the Friday BL match and look at the chat, too. My apologies ^^

But still I'd like to see at least Manuel Neuer and Roman Weidenfeller in the Ballon d'Or shortlist ^^

no worries :-) I think Neuer might make it to Top 23...

rwo power wrote:Oops. Looks what happens when I'm installing a new kernel, watch the Friday BL match and look at the chat, too. My apologies ^^

But still I'd like to see at least Manuel Neuer and Roman Weidenfeller in the Ballon d'Or shortlist ^^

Just Neuer, RWO. He's a champ.