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Post by Robespierre Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:08 pm

serious doubts that they will return to 18 clubs
it means less money from pay tvs ...
Pay tv is all for the Italian clubs , the only secure source of income, if we consider only Juve has club owned stadium

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Post by Smimi25 Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:35 pm

Wow Berardi hattrick already... I think Juve have a real gem here.

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Post by Lupi Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:03 pm

Berardi is going ham 4 goals
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:38 pm

What a match lol
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Post by Abramovich Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:39 pm

First Serie A game I've watched this season, didn't disappoint one bit although poor Honda Sad.
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Post by Cassius Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:41 pm

Only player to ever score 4 goals against Milan I'm serie A :bow: he's earned a spot at juve just for that incredible feat :bow:
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Post by Robespierre Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:44 pm

I advise to read it for who knows the Italian language

http://gazzettadimodena.gelocal.it/sport/2012/09/04/news/sassuolo-la-favola-di-berardi-inziata-con-un-calcetto-1.5640430

The amazing story of Berardi

He was discovered thanks to a futsal match played in  Modena....
Berardi is from Calabria, South Italy , he had gone in Modena simply to visit his brother who was studying there.
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Post by Cassius Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:55 pm

There's a post in the serie A youth watch that does his story justice and it's in English too Thumbs up iv posted it in his appreciation thread aswell.
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Post by DeviAngel Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:03 am

AC Milan News ‏@Milanello
2h

Tomorrow, Inzaghi will be announced as the new Milan coach (for the remainder of this season), according to tomorrow's Gazzetta dello Sport.

I still rate Allegri and I think he is great manager its not his fault that Milan is in this state its their owners fault and part Galliani's fault selling the best playres and replacing them with Matri's, Zapata's, Noncerino's :facepalm:

I am sure Allegri will come to haunt you Milanisti Sad He didn't deserve all the bashing and insults ..

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Post by McLewis Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:44 am

It's just the way things go with football. The manager is always the first in the firing line if the results don't come. Very little changes that. Nevermind that he had a poor quality of players in which he was expected to challenge better sides.

This was very ill-timed. Could've waited until at Milan were eliminated by Atletico.
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Post by Casciavit Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:16 am

Oh please, yes our management is run like a circus but Allegri has been very much at fault this season.

Heck, 5 wins in almost 20 matches. 6 points above relegation... are you seriously going to tell me all those teams above us are better than us? Allegri has made some baffling tactical selections and he always waits until the last minutes to fix it.

As for Matri, that was an Allegri signing. Allegri asked the board for Matri and the board agreed and bought him. Nobody is forcing Allegri to start the likes of Zapata and Nocerino. We had players like Mexes and Rami on the bench who are infinitely better than Zapata and Bonera. And how he starts the likes of Nocerino over Monto and Poli is a joke. Yeah, Monto has been underwhelming, but Nocerino has been crap ever since Ibra left.

Allegri is well past his expiry date, we need a change and it should have been made a while back. I for one am not a fan of Inzaghi, but at this point any option is better.

6 points above relegation, starting fodder like Nocerino, 5 wins and 1 away win this season... yeah its not his fault Laughing
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Post by •MilanDevil• Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:13 am

Allegri is not the man for this current Milan; our team has weaknesses but a very professional coach would have the ability to cover these weaknesses through tactics. Look at the highlights of sassuolo vs milan and watch how the defence moves as a unit, when you see a mistake done by the entire defence a countless number of times and with different defenders in the team, you start to question the tactics. Milan fans do understand that our defence is very bad but is it really worse than that of Verona, Torino, or Parma?

On the other hand, I did like some qualities of Allegri but unfortunately, it is his inability to cover weaknesses of the team in the absence of essential elements that costed him his job. Its also much better for Allegri to leave now before things get worse, some of the more extreme fans might actually affect his personal life.
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Post by McLewis Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:45 am

Casciavit wrote:Oh please, yes our management is run like a circus but Allegri has been very much at fault this season.

Heck, 5 wins in almost 20 matches. 6 points above relegation... are you seriously going to tell me all those teams above us are better than us? Allegri has made some baffling tactical selections and he always waits until the last minutes to fix it.

As for Matri, that was an Allegri signing. Allegri asked the board for Matri and the board agreed and bought him. Nobody is forcing Allegri to start the likes of Zapata and Nocerino. We had players like Mexes and Rami on the bench who are infinitely better than Zapata and Bonera. And how he starts the likes of Nocerino over Monto and Poli is a joke. Yeah, Monto has been underwhelming, but Nocerino has been crap ever since Ibra left.

Allegri is well past his expiry date, we need a change and it should have been made a while back. I for one am not a fan of Inzaghi, but at this point any option is better.

6 points above relegation, starting fodder like Nocerino, 5 wins and 1 away win this season... yeah its not his fault Laughing

Are you seriously insinuating that I believe Allegri had absolutely no fault in his own sacking? Please tell me you're joking, Cas, because you know me much better than that.

Of course Allegri is at fault. What I pointed out however is that he not the only one at fault for Milan's failure. Despite this though...he's the one and (the only one apparently) that's going to pay the price for it. I merely commentated that this is unfair in general to coaches who are given crap and expected to produce gold. Heads should be rolling at the upper echelons of Milan management, but will they? Nope.

I just don't think it's right to make Allegri the complete scapegoat/sacrificial lamb for something he was only partially, but not fully at fault for.

Squad selections aside, Allegri's biggest mistake was not leaving Milan when it was clear that he should've. He was always on borrowed time.

With that said, let's watch to see if Pippo sinks or swims with this side. That is what's going to be really telling. If he can get these players performing at a level that Allegri previously couldn't, then and only then will I believe Allegri was more at fault than it seems currently.
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Post by Casciavit Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:47 pm

McLewis wrote:
Casciavit wrote:Oh please, yes our management is run like a circus but Allegri has been very much at fault this season.

Heck, 5 wins in almost 20 matches. 6 points above relegation... are you seriously going to tell me all those teams above us are better than us? Allegri has made some baffling tactical selections and he always waits until the last minutes to fix it.

As for Matri, that was an Allegri signing. Allegri asked the board for Matri and the board agreed and bought him. Nobody is forcing Allegri to start the likes of Zapata and Nocerino. We had players like Mexes and Rami on the bench who are infinitely better than Zapata and Bonera. And how he starts the likes of Nocerino over Monto and Poli is a joke. Yeah, Monto has been underwhelming, but Nocerino has been crap ever since Ibra left.

Allegri is well past his expiry date, we need a change and it should have been made a while back. I for one am not a fan of Inzaghi, but at this point any option is better.

6 points above relegation, starting fodder like Nocerino, 5 wins and 1 away win this season... yeah its not his fault Laughing

Are you seriously insinuating that I believe Allegri had absolutely no fault in his own sacking? Please tell me you're joking, Cas, because you know me much better than that.

Of course Allegri is at fault. What I pointed out however is that he not the only one at fault for Milan's failure. Despite this though...he's the one and (the only one apparently) that's going to pay the price for it. I merely commentated that this is unfair in general to coaches who are given crap and expected to produce gold. Heads should be rolling at the upper echelons of Milan management, but will they? Nope.

I just don't think it's right to make Allegri the complete scapegoat/sacrificial lamb for something he was only partially, but not fully at fault for.

Squad selections aside, Allegri's biggest mistake was not leaving Milan when it was clear that he should've. He was always on borrowed time.

With that said, let's watch to see if Pippo sinks or swims with this side. That is what's going to be really telling. If he can get these players performing at a level that Allegri previously couldn't, then and only then will I believe Allegri was more at fault than it seems currently.

The above was actually directed at Devi who said it isn't Allegri's fault that we're in this current state, which is false.

Like I said, it's not only his fault. Are management are to blame as well, Allegri's job has been called into question for well over a year now. In hindsight perhaps it would have been wise to sack him during the summer, but many of us believed he did well to get us back to third place and should stay.

As for Pippo or Seedorf, I find it hard to imagine they could do worse than Allegri. We will wait and see I guess.  

One thing that is clear is that Allegri was disrespected from day one by Berlu and the board. Whether it was Berlu forcing down his tactical ideas to Allegri or Milan holding talks with Pep or Seedorf while he was still the coach is shoddy. Or Berlu openly criticizing him. I'm actually surprised he stayed this long.
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Post by Robespierre Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:25 am

I don't like to cry about referees but this decision deserves to be seen

Awful referee call, awful. It was good for 1 metre :facepalm:

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Post by Vibe Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:55 am

That and penalty on Botta...This is not just standard ref complaining,we've been majorly screwed by referees this season and it's happening game after game,unbelievable.

Although I don't care that much cause we've been shit lately and didn't deserve to win some of those games but fact is,we would have without referee mistakes.
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Post by DeviAngel Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:54 am

Robespierre wrote:I don't like to cry about referees but this decision deserves to be seen

Awful referee call, awful. It was good for 1 metre :facepalm:

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What about the Ricky Dive on the verge of the Chievo's penalty box? I laughed so hard at that he lost the step forgot the ball and dived when no one was around and the ref gave a FK lol
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Post by M99 Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:00 pm

La Gazaetta Dell Sport: Cesare Prandelli is said to be set to part ways with the Italy national squad after the World Cup, with Massimilian Allegri tipped to replace his fellow countryman. Reports suggest the alternative is Alberto Zaccheroni.
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Post by Kaladin Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:34 pm

Allegri's NT XI: Agazzi, Abate, Bonucci, Astori, Giaccherini, Montolivo, DDR, Cossu, Diamanti, Matri, Balo
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Post by Ganso Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:38 pm

I feel bad for Italy,they are set for mediocrity
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Post by M99 Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:34 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:Allegri's NT XI: Agazzi, Abate, Bonucci, Astori, Giaccherini, Montolivo, DDR, Cossu, Diamanti, Matri, Balo

https://i.imgur.com/3TxA87O.jpg
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Post by Kaladin Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:32 pm

M99 wrote:
El Shaarawy wrote:Allegri's NT XI: Agazzi, Abate, Bonucci, Astori, Giaccherini, Montolivo, DDR, Cossu, Diamanti, Matri, Balo

https://i.imgur.com/3TxA87O.jpg

Laughing

Italy lacks a vice-DDR or someone who can defend. Allegri going to promote Marrone? hmm
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Post by dostoevsky Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:23 pm

Thiago Motta is Italy's only realistic vice-De Rossi, Prandelli doesn't have the imagination or courage to give Marrone a try.

As I've said before, Allegri and Prandelli are much of a muchness, very similar coaches in substance and style. Whilst I would like to see Montella at the helm of the national team, Allegri would offer continuity and is preferable to the likes of Spaletti and Zaccheroni.
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Post by Forza Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:00 am

More like:

Agazzi
Abate - Pisano - Astori - Constant*
Nocerino - Lazzari - Motta
Cossu
Matri - Sau

*naturalised
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Post by McLewis Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:08 am

Too bad Poli is defensively raw. He could've been a worthy vice-DDR.
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Post by Robespierre Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:32 pm

It's strange to think Allegri was sacked because of Sassuolo he was promoted to big football thanks to Sassuolo
He played an amusing football there , then when he went to Milan converted to a Capello-esque style of play based on pragmatism (same thing for Mancini).
Despite the palmares it will be a downgrande than Prandelli . I don't appreciate Prandelli for some choice as the " codice etico" but he has showed for years to get results over the value of roster.
Hellas , Fiorentina ( it was less strong than now ... in 2007 2008 he reached 4rd place overcoming the Milan champion of Europe the year before and the semi-finals of Coppa Uefa losing only to penalites kick ...result very rare for an Italian club in the last 15 years all this not having a forward during the year) and in the end the Nazionale.
what he did for Nazionale is very underrated.
this Nazionale is good, surely, the real values have nothing to do with the results of 2010 got only for Lippi's mistakes , but anyway but still lower than those of the past to be fair.

This is because of Generation ' 80s ,  which was a substantial failure for Italian football if compared, contextualized to the past. to be fair.

It is enough to consider that the most talented player of this generation was Antonio Cassano, an unifished.

International players ? Daniele De Rossi ,probably Marchisio and the italian-Brazilian Motta and Giuseppe Rossi the eternal injured

in the past you wew spoilt for choice.
ah.the old Buffon and Pirlo stars in Euro 2012 obviously belong to the previous generation (on the other hand born in 70'.s).

or just to remember the number 10 of Nazionale.
You could choice in past Mancini Zola Baggio Totti Del Piero....
now the best would be Alessandro Diamanti.


Substantially for Euro 2012 he benefited of a good material but the second place behind the best national ever was a result above expectations

I am more trustful about the new generation of Italian player, with Marco Verratti the main star.
but less trustful of Allegri.
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