Barclay's Premier League discussion '13-'14 V2

He wasn't a flop last season, what are you on about. He was inconsistent, but which young player wasn't? Hazard definitely was. Oscar was. As was Coutinho at times.

He was as good as Oscar in the premier league last year; majority of Oscar's highlights came off of the back of performances in Europe. Oscar was regarded as one of the best in the league. If Gaston Ramirez played for a bigger club, he'd get a lot more attention as the pressure would be off his shoulders and he can play his natural game. He was pretty much carrying Soton under Adkins when he was played in the centre. Majority of his poor performances came from playing out wide.

I don't know if they wanted him bench in the second half of the season but he can't play in Pocahontas' system. It's the reason he hasn't started in the BPL this campaign. They don't play with a number 10.

They play a 4222. Lambert and Osvaldo play off of each other. They're "wide forwards" are Lallana and that other fellow that destroyed Liverpool last year. I think his Spanish, I forget his name.

They don't press too much; they pretty much play like us but instead of Gerrard and Lucas, they have the best DM in the league in Schneileden and a destroyer type in Wanayama so it's difficult for teams to get passed them in midfield. They create goals by movement, they don't really have a playmaker. Ramirez should be starting. I think his agent has came out and said there is beef between Gaston and his manager, too.

something-red wrote:He wasn't a flop last season, what are you on about. He was inconsistent, but which young player wasn't? Hazard definitely was. Oscar was. As was Coutinho at times.

He was as good as Oscar in the premier league last year; majority of Oscar's highlights came off of the back of performances in Europe. Oscar was regarded as one of the best in the league. If Gaston Ramirez played for a bigger club, he'd get a lot more attention as the pressure would be off his shoulders and he can play his natural game. He was pretty much carrying Soton under Adkins when he was played in the centre. Majority of his poor performances came from playing out wide.

I don't know if they wanted him bench in the second half of the season but he can't play in Pocahontas' system. It's the reason he hasn't started in the BPL this campaign. They don't play with a number 10.

They play a 4222. Lambert and Osvaldo play off of each other. They're "wide forwards" are Lallana and that other fellow that destroyed Liverpool last year. I think his Spanish, I forget his name.

They don't press too much; they pretty much play like us but instead of Gerrard and Lucas, they have the best DM in the league in Schneileden and a destroyer type in Wanayama so it's difficult for teams to get passed them in midfield. They create goals by movement, they don't really have a playmaker. Ramirez should be starting. I think his agent has came out and said there is beef between Gaston and his manager, too.

Well, I suggest you watch more Southampton. Starting with replay of their game vs. us at Anfield last month.

They are the biggest pressers in the league, and by some distance. Especially when they play the big boys. I predict they'll frustrate the hell out of United by their pressing on saturday.

Ferguson said Saints were the best team to go to OT last year, because United couldn't keep hold of the ball at all due to Southampton's relentless pressing.

Contributing to 8 goals in a season (6 of them being set pieces) isn't good enough for 12M, especially for a newly promoted club like Southampton. Maybe I was harsh at calling him a flop, but he's been a major disappointment considering the hype before his move there.

They don't press in the final third is what I meant...

They didn't press us too much, either. We were just shit. Our whole system is based around a number 10. We don't have a number 10 in this current squad. Go figure the logic behind that.

Ramirez is a level ahead of the players around him. Ask any Soton fan and they'll tell you that's the case. I'm not going to look at the stats and judge a player. Also, using your own logic here, was Downing a flop for us last year? Because I'm pretty sure you were arguing he was our best player last year and his "contribution" stats weren't good. They spent 12m for the future. His had one year there. And he was actually playing well with Adkins there. I think Napoli is interested in him as he can't get a long with Pochettino. (I really can't spell his name.)

Anyway, Ramirez has the talent. He just needs the right manager. Also, we've spent 7 on Coates, 8 on Alberto, I don't know how much on Ilori but it's around the same. I'll be surprised if those 3 accumulate 30 appearances between them this year. Are they all flops / major disappointments by the end of this season?

Ramirez was average at best and that's being kind

I wouldn't even take him and we are desperate for creativity among other things.

Something-Red you are so dogmatic at times mate. You argue the most futile cases that hold no bearing to it. I must say though, you do a fine job nonetheless of coming up with reasons, which is more than can be said about some other people.

he believes in what he says

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Ramirez was average at best and that's being kind

I wouldn't even take him and we are desperate for creativity among other things.

You've seen him how many times?

Newcastle is "average" at best and I'm also being kind. You not taking him is probably the reason you're a mid-table club at best. "Oh we're too good for him, you know, we have the best starting XI in the world but we currently sit in the bottom half of the table."

See, I can make stupid comments too.

McAgger wrote:Something-Red you are so dogmatic at times mate. You argue the most futile cases that hold no bearing to it. I must say though, you do a fine job nonetheless of coming up with reasons, which is more than can be said about some other people.

I'm sorry McAgger, I truly am sorry from the bottom of my heart.

I'm sorry that I have a different opinion to most from the Liverpool section.

I'm sorry that I don't see Lucas-Gerrard as the core problem of the team, but the fact that we have no number 10. You know, the way Liverpool has operated since Shanks has stepped in.

I'm sorry that I rate Sakho, Skrtel and Agger all higher than Kolo Toure.

I'm sorry that I think Agger has been average defensively for almost 2 years now and that I believe Skrtel is a better defender out of the two.

I'm sorry that I genuinely wanted Reina sold when we were interested in Mignolet.

I'm sorry that I don't think the "3 at the back" does not suit Liverpool's strengths as much as you suggest.

I'm sorry that I genuinely wanted Suarez to stay at the club in the summer knowing that he was our best chance of top 4. I'm sorry that I did all this whilst he accused Liverpool of taking them to court, or genuinely wanting to go to Arsenal and considering a transfer request.

I'm sorry if I don't think Liverpool should rely on a 21 year old Coutinho for creativity and that he needs help as he is still very raw. I'm also sorry if I see him a lot more effective on the left hand side than he is the centre.

I'm sorry for never rating Stewart Downing, even when he was playing as a defensive winger in the second half of the season last year.

I'm sorry that I think Liverpool is still stupid (both buying and selling) in the market at times, and that this committee still has a lot to prove.

I'm sorry that I would take Gaston Ramirez at Liverpool.

This one I'm actually sorry about, but I'm sorry for calling Sturridge selfish and not good enough before arriving at Liverpool.

I truly am sorry McAgger, may you forgive me of my sins???

WTF chill man

something-red wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Ramirez was average at best and that's being kind

I wouldn't even take him and we are desperate for creativity among other things.

You've seen him how many times?

Newcastle is "average" at best and I'm also being kind. You not taking him is probably the reason you're a mid-table club at best. "Oh we're too good for him, you know, we have the best starting XI in the world but we currently sit in the bottom half of the table."

See, I can make stupid comments too.

Nah not really i just don't think he's that good..... carry on though.

So apparently if your team isn't good you aren't allowed to have an opinion on players' abilities


Ok GL.

Blue Barrett wrote:So apparently if your team isn't good you aren't allowed to have an opinion on players' abilities

Ok GL.

I'm honoured that you stereotype all of GL based of one comment that I said when I was clearly taking the piss. So um, thanks I guess.

If you read the last line, you would have seen me saying "See, I can make stupid comments too."

Blue Barrett wrote:WTF chill man

Thanks man, I really needed that. I thank you for your support during these hard times.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

something-red wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:

Ramirez was average at best and that's being kind

I wouldn't even take him and we are desperate for creativity among other things.

You've seen him how many times?

Newcastle is "average" at best and I'm also being kind. You not taking him is probably the reason you're a mid-table club at best. "Oh we're too good for him, you know, we have the best starting XI in the world but we currently sit in the bottom half of the table."

See, I can make stupid comments too.

Nah not really i just don't think he's that good..... carry on though.

You still haven't stated how many times you've seen him play.

I honestly can't see how he flopped at Soton. Again, the only reason he doesn't play now is because of Pocchetino and his system not accommodating a number 10. (I really really can't spell his name.) Ramirez can't play out wide; he needs to play in the centre. And when he was playing in the centre, especially under Adkins, he was one of their best players and one of the better "young" players in the league. He was inconsistent, but again, so was the Hazard's and Oscar's and Wilshere's (although he just came back from an injury, no?).

Very good match between Newcastle and Liverpool

Shame it was 11 vs 10 but Newcastle did ever so well to take the lead and get a point in the end

100 goals for Gerrard

One of the best goals i have ever seen

Fantastic goal with a bit of luck I think in wilshere s backheel touch.

So... Chelsea's goal against Cardiff...

Was Eto'o's toe-poke legal, or not?

I was under the impression that once a goal-keeper established control of the ball, then bouncing the ball was considered an extension of his possession. Therefore, just as you are not allowed to head the ball out of the keeper's hands, you're also not allowed to toe-poke.

Perhaps, I am mistaken...

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donttreadonred wrote:So... Chelsea's goal against Cardiff...

Was Eto'o's toe-poke legal, or not?

I was under the impression that once a goal-keeper established control of the ball, then bouncing the ball was considered an extension of his possession. Therefore, just as you are not allowed to head the ball out of the keeper's hands, you're also not allowed to toe-poke.

Perhaps, I am mistaken...

I thought the same thing, but either way good hustle by Eto'o. He did get all ball?

RealGunner wrote:football porn at the Emirates

Everything finally coming together. We're just different class right now. Someone pinch me

RealGunner wrote:football porn at the Emirates

Best porn ever.

Goal of the season by Arsenal there. Incredible.

I wouldn't mind seeing Arsenal winning the title this season since we have no chance by the looks of it. By far the lesser evil compared to City and Chelsea.

That Hazard goal should not have stood.

RealGunner wrote:football porn at the Emirates

This.

It's has been ages since we've played with such fluidity in the midfield.We are bringing back the glory days of Henry-Bergkamp-Pires with Giroud-Oezil-Ramsey...

P.S.Not comparing the players based on talent but on their roles and importance in the team.

Hazard goal shouldn't have counted. Now it doesn't excuse the GK for being stupid as hell and bouncing the ball right next to a player, but bouncing the ball as such is still an extension of your possession in such a case, otherwise you could camp players next to the GK waiting for them to bounce the ball or let go of the ball in the action of punting and have the player take it and score.

Ridiculous the ref allowed it imo

CBarca wrote:Hazard goal shouldn't have counted. Now it doesn't excuse the GK for being stupid as hell and bouncing the ball right next to a player, but bouncing the ball as such is still an extension of your possession in such a case, otherwise you could camp players next to the GK waiting for them to bounce the ball or let go of the ball in the action of punting and have the player take it and score.

Ridiculous the ref allowed it imo

Yeah it's not a goal

From Reddit

From this document - http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

It's Not a Goal


and
According to the BBC...

A quick trawl through the Fifa rulebook seems to suggest that Chelsea's goal should not have been allowed.

Law 12 suggests:

'When a goalkeeper has gained possession of the ball with his hands, he cannot be challenged by an opponent.

'A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball while the ball is between his hands and any surface (e.g. ground) and while in the act of boucning it on the ground.'

CBarca wrote:Hazard goal shouldn't have counted. Now it doesn't excuse the GK for being stupid as hell and bouncing the ball right next to a player, but bouncing the ball as such is still an extension of your possession in such a case, otherwise you could camp players next to the GK waiting for them to bounce the ball or let go of the ball in the action of punting and have the player take it and score.

Ridiculous the ref allowed it imo

I remember RVP scored similar goal against United I Believe and the ref did not allow it.