Re: Barclay's Premier League discussion '13-'14 V2

by Kick Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:48 am

Arsenalfaithfull wrote:

How stupid do these dickwads look for slating Arsene about the Flamini signing? lol
I think Flamini has been as big of a signing for us as Ozil.

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Lawe' this mofo

Tbh, that video is still quite funny and you're praising Flamini for playing well against stoke? Impressive.....

by free_cat Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:52 am

Yeah, why the hell does welbeck start all the time for United? And young? Play Cleverly/Kagawa for Welbeck and Rooney up top and Nani for Young and United could have won.

by Twoism Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:14 am

Arsenalfaithfull wrote:

How stupid do these dickwads look for slating Arsene about the Flamini signing? lol
I think Flamini has been as big of a signing for us as Ozil.

\
Lawe' this mofo

Lets not overrate Flamini here, he's good but as big of signing as Ozil, nope. Against Stoke, there was long period of time, he couldn't press, hassle Stoke midfield. And that video is funny.

by Twoism Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:19 am

As for Manchester derby, it's really a testimony to SAF both good and bad. Bad how he has been signing average players for years and good how he has managed to win so comfortably with that squad.

by animal.crackers Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:34 am

aleumdance wrote:how to stop united

step 1) Something happens to RVP

step 2) Victory is Yours

Great excuse, it's almost as if United do not exist without Van Poosie.

Let's not forget that City's best player, David Silva was not playing due to injury...if you want to level the playing field. Clichy, Valencia's nightmare, wasn't playing either.

by animal.crackers Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:55 am

Twoism wrote:As for Manchester derby, it's really a testimony to SAF both good and bad. Bad how he has been signing average players for years and good how he has managed to win so comfortably with that squad.

It's because Manchester United can pick up points against the teams outside of the top 6 with ease.

Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

The other top premier league teams play a less savage style, preferring to patiently unlock the 10-men defences...and unless your passes are perfect or you have moments of individual brilliance, for whatever reason, this style is slightly less effective at unlocking stubborn 10 men Premier League defences. So while City might completely dominate a 10 men defence at a Stoke, for example, and not score, United will play the same fixture and look horrible for 70 minutes but get a 'lucky' shit goal probably from a cross.

However, when United play good teams that can actually control the midfield, (City, Arsenal, etc), they are so easily outclassed in midfield that it's not even funny.

Also, the referees are in United's pocket...namely, Sir Alex Ferguson. No surprise as United is that league's cash cow, so they are protected.

Time and time again, United players receive the softest penalties (many times dives or BS), while other teams players' are getting hit by *bleep* trucks with no decisions. A referee might wave away a penalty decision against the team playing United, and then give United an identical penalty. Little things like that are why many people feel there is a referee bias towards United. They get too many big dodgy decisions, and the teams that play them are often refereed harshly.

A retired referee came out the other day saying that Ferguson was on friendly text-messaging terms with the PL referees. He even admitted to having dinner with Ferguson! If that is not unprofessional, I don't know what it is!

by fatman123 Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:58 am

animal.crackers wrote:Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

The truth

by CBarca Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:05 am

The two North London teams on top Proud

As a Barcelona semi-Arsenal/Spurs fan, I am so happy for both North London teams Proud

by B-Mac Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:53 am

animal.crackers wrote:
Twoism wrote:As for Manchester derby, it's really a testimony to SAF both good and bad. Bad how he has been signing average players for years and good how he has managed to win so comfortably with that squad.
It's because Manchester United can pick up points against the teams outside of the top 6 with ease.

Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

The other top premier league teams play a less savage style, preferring to patiently unlock the 10-men defences...and unless your passes are perfect or you have moments of individual brilliance, for whatever reason, this style is slightly less effective at unlocking stubborn 10 men Premier League defences. So while City might completely dominate a 10 men defence at a Stoke, for example, and not score, United will play the same fixture and look horrible for 70 minutes but get a 'lucky' shit goal probably from a cross.

However, when United play good teams that can actually control the midfield, (City, Arsenal, etc), they are so easily outclassed in midfield that it's not even funny.

Also, the referees are in United's pocket...namely, Sir Alex Ferguson. No surprise as United is that league's cash cow, so they are protected.

Time and time again, United players receive the softest penalties (many times dives or BS), while other teams players' are getting hit by *bleep* trucks with no decisions. A referee might wave away a penalty decision against the team playing United, and then give United an identical penalty. Little things like that are why many people feel there is a referee bias towards United. They get too many big dodgy decisions, and the teams that play them are often refereed harshly.

A retired referee came out the other day saying that Ferguson was on friendly text-messaging terms with the PL referees. He even admitted to having dinner with Ferguson! If that is not unprofessional, I don't know what it is!

thought you were making intelligent post, then went on conspiracy theory rant rofl

all post credibility lost Proud

by animal.crackers Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:01 am

B-Mac wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:
Twoism wrote:As for Manchester derby, it's really a testimony to SAF both good and bad. Bad how he has been signing average players for years and good how he has managed to win so comfortably with that squad.
It's because Manchester United can pick up points against the teams outside of the top 6 with ease.

Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

The other top premier league teams play a less savage style, preferring to patiently unlock the 10-men defences...and unless your passes are perfect or you have moments of individual brilliance, for whatever reason, this style is slightly less effective at unlocking stubborn 10 men Premier League defences. So while City might completely dominate a 10 men defence at a Stoke, for example, and not score, United will play the same fixture and look horrible for 70 minutes but get a 'lucky' shit goal probably from a cross.

However, when United play good teams that can actually control the midfield, (City, Arsenal, etc), they are so easily outclassed in midfield that it's not even funny.

Also, the referees are in United's pocket...namely, Sir Alex Ferguson. No surprise as United is that league's cash cow, so they are protected.

Time and time again, United players receive the softest penalties (many times dives or BS), while other teams players' are getting hit by *bleep* trucks with no decisions. A referee might wave away a penalty decision against the team playing United, and then give United an identical penalty. Little things like that are why many people feel there is a referee bias towards United. They get too many big dodgy decisions, and the teams that play them are often refereed harshly.

A retired referee came out the other day saying that Ferguson was on friendly text-messaging terms with the PL referees. He even admitted to having dinner with Ferguson! If that is not unprofessional, I don't know what it is!
thought you were making intelligent post, then went on conspiracy theory rant

all post credibility lost

No conspiracy, hehe, no true Red would admit what the rest of the league knows about your referee treatment. Even if there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm sure your team's classless, spineless, and unprofessional serial divers don't help the referees much either ;-).

by B-Mac Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:39 pm

animal.crackers wrote:
B-Mac wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:It's because Manchester United can pick up points against the teams outside of the top 6 with ease.

Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

The other top premier league teams play a less savage style, preferring to patiently unlock the 10-men defences...and unless your passes are perfect or you have moments of individual brilliance, for whatever reason, this style is slightly less effective at unlocking stubborn 10 men Premier League defences. So while City might completely dominate a 10 men defence at a Stoke, for example, and not score, United will play the same fixture and look horrible for 70 minutes but get a 'lucky' shit goal probably from a cross.

However, when United play good teams that can actually control the midfield, (City, Arsenal, etc), they are so easily outclassed in midfield that it's not even funny.

Also, the referees are in United's pocket...namely, Sir Alex Ferguson. No surprise as United is that league's cash cow, so they are protected.

Time and time again, United players receive the softest penalties (many times dives or BS), while other teams players' are getting hit by *bleep* trucks with no decisions. A referee might wave away a penalty decision against the team playing United, and then give United an identical penalty. Little things like that are why many people feel there is a referee bias towards United. They get too many big dodgy decisions, and the teams that play them are often refereed harshly.

A retired referee came out the other day saying that Ferguson was on friendly text-messaging terms with the PL referees. He even admitted to having dinner with Ferguson! If that is not unprofessional, I don't know what it is!
thought you were making intelligent post, then went on conspiracy theory rant

all post credibility lost
No conspiracy, hehe, no true Red would admit what the rest of the league knows about your referee treatment. Even if there wasn't a conspiracy, I'm sure your team's classless, spineless, and unprofessional serial divers don't help the referees much either ;-).

lol forgets less then 24 hours ago Kolarovs shoulder brush with Smalling that made Kolarovs legs suddenly stop working Laughing

by BarcaLearning Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:40 pm

fatman123 wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.
The truth

Fuking LOVE this summary!!!! Very Happy

by BarrileteCosmico Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:05 pm

The cross cross cross argument is more than ironic considering that's how City scored all their goals.

by danyjr Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:18 pm

City fan talking about cross scoring :facepalm:

Let me guess when you started becoming a City supporter...

by Blue Barrett Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:20 pm

animal.crackers wrote:Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

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by Suarez99 Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:36 pm

Lex wrote:
Suarez99 wrote:And I wouldnt put any of the 6 in the "world class" bracket.[/b]
Rooney not in the world class bracket?

Not in my eyes. Too many games where he looks like a pub player.

Dont let the game against a weakened Bayer team fool you.

by animal.crackers Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:46 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:The cross cross cross argument is more than ironic considering that's how City scored all their goals.

Sure...every team will score from crosses.

However, City's style is not centred around that facet of play. Nothing ironic here.

by animal.crackers Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:52 pm

danyjr wrote:City fan talking about cross scoring

Let me guess when you started becoming a City supporter...

What is it exactly that you are trying to deduce?

Also, I was born a City fan, thank you very much.

by Motogp69 Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:22 am

Could care less about City or United, but that avatar :bow:

by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:05 am

animal.crackers wrote:Sure...every team will score from crosses.

However, City's style is not centred around that facet of play. Nothing ironic here.

City's style is completely based around crosses. Your midfield is Yaya - Fernandinho and Yaya has been instructed to play deeper than in other seasons. In any case he was never a creator but a good dribbler who used his figure to generate shooting opportunities. Aguero plays like a traditional SS and then you have a poacher in Negredo. Navas is basically one of the last pure wingers in the world. I'll admit Nasri will not play wide, but he's so bad City virtually play with 10 men anyway.

So yeah, your entire style is based around Kolarov's and Navas' crossing when Dzeko doesn't play.

by aleumdance Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:16 am

animal.crackers wrote:Manchester United's cross, cross, cross playing style works well against lower teams who defend with 10 men. After the 40th cross, the team finally shits themselves to the pressure, and concede a triple deflection goal from the chaos in the penalty box.

That's how United grind out their wins.

to be honest, maybe Fergie just wanted to stick to Proper Brit football back in his days

In the 70s and before pitch technology, British Pitches were very wet, so playing in the middle was pointless, that how he hoofball became household, secondly since the wngs were less tracked on wingers and fullbacks were responsible for giving absurd amounts of crosses..

that why Britsh fullbacks have been quite trained on crossing.. and athleticism..

too Conclude, Fergie stuck with an old era style and it won him titles..

:bow:

by animal.crackers Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:33 am

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
animal.crackers wrote:Sure...every team will score from crosses.

However, City's style is not centred around that facet of play. Nothing ironic here.
City's style is completely based around crosses. Your midfield is Yaya - Fernandinho and Yaya has been instructed to play deeper than in other seasons. In any case he was never a creator but a good dribbler who used his figure to generate shooting opportunities. Aguero plays like a traditional SS and then you have a poacher in Negredo. Navas is basically one of the last pure wingers in the world. I'll admit Nasri will not play wide, but he's so bad City virtually play with 10 men anyway.

So yeah, your entire style is based around Kolarov's and Navas' crossing when Dzeko doesn't play.

Kolarov hardly ever plays when Clichy is fit...so how can our entire style be based on a fringe player?

Navas whilst a good crosser, is merely one outlet. That said, he's not even crossing incessantly like he did for Sevilla. At City, he's been more involved in the build up, passing, supplying the overlapping fullback, etc... He's showing at City he's more than just your average "sprint sprint cross" winger.

Our entire style is based on possession, movement, and central probing.

by Red Alert Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:22 am

aleumdance wrote:
something-red wrote:Think Arsenal have a great chance myself. If they're to win it? Who knows. Their problem currently is mentality, and they have a thin squad.
metality is there, its the Injuries that worries me

Your mentality gets tested in February - March where you either push on to become a legitimate title challenger or you'll get your top 4 trophy.

by Red Alert Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:24 am

Suarez99 wrote:
Lex wrote:
Suarez99 wrote:And I wouldnt put any of the 6 in the "world class" bracket.[/b]
Rooney not in the world class bracket?
Not in my eyes. Too many games where he looks like a pub player.

Dont let the game against a weakened Bayer team fool you.

He's a better player than RvP in my eyes...

by free_cat Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:27 am

CBarca wrote:The two North London teams on top

As a Barcelona semi-Arsenal/Spurs fan, I am so happy for both North London teams

Whaaaaaat?

by aleumdance Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:44 pm

free_cat wrote:
CBarca wrote:The two North London teams on top

As a Barcelona semi-Arsenal/Spurs fan, I am so happy for both North London teams
Whaaaaaat?

lets just say he really love North londond

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