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Yohan Modric wrote:Does the show get more fast paced from episode 2 and does it have more suspense/action? Only watched episode 1.

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Freeza wrote:Ridiculously good show, I can't comprehend how amazing this is. These first 5 episodes are the best thing I have ever seen on television :proud:Just my kind of show

So either someone has been in that same hospital, or that picture was somewhere that the girl was when she was kidnapped. I'm assuming either it was done by Maggie meaning she either A: visited the girl in the hospital to see what she knew B: has been at the place the girl was kept or C: was in that same mental ward and was probably the person that both painted the mural and the picture on the wall, likely due to mental problems stemming from being introduced to the cult at an early age.

I will go with option C. I think Maggie was in the hospital as a young girl due to psychological problems, and recovered after a period of time. I'm betting she painted the picture as a child, both the one in her bedroom and the mural in the hospital, and kept it as a reminder.

I believe Maggie is in the cult. Way too much foreshadowing/coincidences.

1. You're telling me the grandfather corrupted his daughter's child, whom he rarely saw, but wouldn't do the same to his own daughter who he interacted with on a daily basis?

2. There are 3 stars on her daughter's door.

3. This quote alone referring to sex
"Girls always know before boys," says Maggie."Because they have to."

4. The same picture on her bedroom wall that was found in the place where Kelly Rita was living as an adult

5. She is clearly in the school picture as a teenager

6. She works as a nurse, often working late nights which would allow her to disappear from Hart at will and not be suspected of anything.

7. In episode 7, in the black and white pictures, there is very clearly a young girl, aged 16-22~, sitting on a throne with a crown on her head. The girl is going through initiation and has black/brown hair. The next girl we see going through the same thing has blonde hair, like her daughter. I believe the crown is simply being passed down from 1 generation to the next.

8. Hart killed a 10 point buck. Who is to say that he did not save the rack and hang it in his house/put it in the attic? Maggie could have easily taken it and used it on Dora Lange.

Upon further review, Maggie isn't the Yellow King. I believe the Yellow King is the sacrificial lamb that they worship, just as Jesus was in the Bible. Antler's=king of kings or the crown of thorns. Tortured and murdered and put on public display in a visually stimulating fashion, laid down I believe Maggie is the other that they worship/look up to, but she isn't the one to be sacrificed, instead it is her daughter.

I believe the term Yellow King is meant to throw off the audience as they will suspect it implies it must be a man, however it is simply a term. It does not mean the "King" must be a man.

Both Dora Lange AND Audrey Hart have blonde, or yellow, hair. I believe the yellow in king is referring to hair color.
I also believe the "King" portion comes from the fact they are wearing antler's when they're put on display. The antler's represent a crown, like that a King would wear. Hence a crown worn by a blonde woman. A King with Yellow hair, or simply a yellow King.

The future Yellow King is chosen at early ages, introduced to the cult, and "primed" before they are sacrificed when they reach adult hood. This would explain why Dora Lange was in the picture with all of them men on horses and why Audrey was drawing the symbol on the back of Dora/simulating rape & the 5 "KINGS" in her childhood as well.

Also the bar The Fox and Hound is very important.
Fox=the sly leader of the cult, Maggie
Hound=the detectives trying to find the the leader of the cult, but can't put the pieces together thoroughly, Cohle/Hart

Hart and Cohle both act as a hound, with Hart cheating on his wife repeatedly and Cohle making the mistake of letting Maggie trick him into sleeping with her. Both actions are representative of the male stereotype of men being "dogs", which a hound is, that act without thinking. Maggie is sly like that of a fox. Very deceptive and quite, hiding in concealment and the only thing left behind is a scent which is trying to be used to track it. As the Hound get close, the Fox outsmarts the Hound and maneuvers to get away. The Hound has the Fox right under it's nose(through scent), just like Marty said earlier about the answer being right under a detectives nose but not being able to put it together and instead just acting on instinct. However the Hound can't put the pieces together and the Fox alludes the hound.

I also believe that Maggy cheated on Hart with Cohle simply to cause a "dog fight"/distraction and throw them off the trail so they wouldn't continue working towards a resolution in the case.

As for Cohle being "watched" by the black stars, which was referenced by Reggie LeDeoux, This is symbolized later in episode 5 when he is shown through the window with black stars around it. I believe the black stars in this situation is Maggie, who has gotten close to Cohle and is "watching" him to determine how close he is to the situation.

The Carcosa is referring to an infatuation the cult has with Maggie. When Reggie LeDeoux says Cohle is now in the Carcosa like the rest of them, I believe he's referencing the fact that Cohle is enamored with Maggie to the point of possibly worshipping her, but in this tense having fallen in love with her, not like a religious figure such as that worshipped by the Cult. However the point remains, they are all in the Carcosa together because of their admiration/desire for her. And due to Cohle's obvious infatuation with her, which Maggie is fully aware of, she has informed the cult of the situation. This is how Reggie LeDoux knows about Cohle and states he is in the Carcosa like the rest of them.

Also if you notice Hart is in a bar in a very sloppily dressed fashion, like that of a dog, when he cheats on Maggie again.
Maggie goes to a bar the next night dressed in all red, red is obviously the color that is synonymous with Fox.

I think Maggie was introduced to the cult as a child through her father, who was either the leader at the time or a very important figure..

The daughters playing with the tiara/crown in the front yard and eventually throwing it in the tree is symbolic of the passing of the "throne" as well.

The daughter is also wearing horse pajamas when Hart find's the group of 5 dolls surround the naked female doll in their room. This is reminiscent of the 5 men on horses in masks surrounding Dora Lange in the picture at her house.

Also I believe her identity is further alluded to when she finds out Hart cheated on her again in 2002. She transforms into a sort of "Monster". This is referenced by her spite towards him, eventually sleeping with her partner for revenge. Something that could be seen as being a monstrous action, despite Hart being a real piece of *beep* The next meal she feeds him is "spaghetti", and she does so wearing a "green" dress during the interrogation scene.

So we have "Green", "Spaghetti", and "Monster" in 3 scenes. I do not think she is the Green eared spaghetti monster, but I do believe this is foreshadowing of her knowledge/involvement with him.

Hart also wears a ring that is very similar, if not the exact same one that Reverend Tuttle was wearing. I'm sure this was a gift from Maggie at some point, and the ring is worn by the men in the cult. She is simply throwing all of this in his face.

Whenever Tuttle meets with Marty early in the series, he thanks him for all that he has done. I believe this is referring to the fact that Marty has raised a family very involved with the cult. His wife is the current yellow king/leader and his daughter will soon be the next. Marty doesn't have knowledge of this fact, Tuttle is essentially making him look like a fool.

Marty's constant references to the fact that detectives sometimes have everything they're looking for right under their noses, and can't put it together, is referring to the fact he lives with the god damn head of the cult/future of the cult and he can never figure it out.


EDIT: Also the "things occur in circles" is a reference to the fact that it's always the same principle. The yellow king is always a blonde girl chosen at an early age and introduced to the cult and "primed" until she reaches adulthood, then she is sacrificed. This is the case of Dora and Audrey. It's the same damn thing occurring 17~ years later, from 1 generation to the next.

Finally I present you this.

-The book referenced as having the pictures of pedophilia was “The Letters of Telios de Lorca."

Telios's greek translation is Complete or Completedness, according to the bible.

The other literal translations are: brought to its end, finished wanting nothing necessary to completeness perfect that which is perfect consummate human integrity and virtue of men full grown, adult, of full age, mature

Telios appears 17 times in the New Testament.

Periodical Cicadas, or simply locusts, are referenced as being unleashed on Earth by God himself in swarms to punish his people who have sinned.

Here is some information about this Cicada's from wikipedia.

"Nearly all cicadas spend years underground as juveniles, before emerging above ground for a short adult stage of several weeks to a few months. The seven periodical cicada species are so named because, in any one location, all of the members of the population are developmentally synchronized—they emerge as adults all at once in the same year. This periodicity is especially remarkable because their life cycles are so long—17 years."

Marty and Maggie are married for 17 years before their marriage dissolves in 2002.

The case ranges is bookended by murders from 1995 and 2012. 17 years apart.

I also firmly believe that Audrey will be sacrificed in 2012. Which would just so happen to be17 years after Dora Lange.

I believe the murders end in 2012, after 17 years just like their marriage. I believe the Telios is used as a reference because literally every translation fits this plot thus far. Also the locusts 17 year life span is eerily similar to how this cult has gone about it's business. I believe all of them will emerge at the same time at the end of the case, just like the locusts, after "being underground" for 17 years while Cohle investigated it.
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Year book photo they found in the 1st/2nd episode

https://i.imgur.com/pPijKI7.jpg

Notice the numbers.

https://i.imgur.com/9cT5u67.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mwAUeFv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/um0y4jN.png

Don't have the picture with me but think Ledoux is one of the kid in the background

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