If you could change the outcome of a match in football history?

Lets not forget RVP was offside in Ramos own goal and Welbeck goal was never a corner. Oh and Rafael did a Suarez which should have been a straight red plus penalty. So, yeah conspiracy against the premier league indeed.

The_Badger wrote:The injustice that was the Man U vs. Porto game in 2004 would be one.

Another injustice was the 2005 CL final. Gerrard diving for a penalty and Dudek being off his line during the shoot out.

Spain/Italy vs. South Korea in 2002 WC.

surely this is trolling... Gerrard diving for that penalty? It was a clear foul on the last man through, the only confusing thing about the call is that it was made without a red card alongside it.

Blue Barrett wrote:I don't even have the strength to point out the holes in your argument at the moment. Couldn't be bothered about typing a rant right now. Carry on.

Because there are no holes. You just haven't the capacity to offer any counter and substantiate your absurd conspiracies.

You just pick and choose the parts that are convenient, no matter how tenuous, and ignore anything that makes you look foolish.

stevieg8 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:The injustice that was the Man U vs. Porto game in 2004 would be one.

Another injustice was the 2005 CL final. Gerrard diving for a penalty and Dudek being off his line during the shoot out.

Spain/Italy vs. South Korea in 2002 WC.

:lol:surely this is trolling... Gerrard diving for that penalty? It was a clear foul on the last man through, the only confusing thing about the call is that it was made without a red card alongside it.

Gattuso didn't touch him though. Gerrard dived like he regularly does.

You agree Dudek was off his line though?

The_Badger wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:I don't even have the strength to point out the holes in your argument at the moment. Couldn't be bothered about typing a rant right now. Carry on.

Because there are no holes. You just haven't the capacity to offer any counter and substantiate your absurd conspiracies.

You just pick and choose the parts that are convenient, no matter how tenuous, and ignore anything that makes you look foolish.

Whatever makes you happy. When I'm less busy I'll reply your one-sided watery post.

Blue Barrett wrote:

The_Badger wrote:

Blue Barrett wrote:I don't even have the strength to point out the holes in your argument at the moment. Couldn't be bothered about typing a rant right now. Carry on.

Because there are no holes. You just haven't the capacity to offer any counter and substantiate your absurd conspiracies.

You just pick and choose the parts that are convenient, no matter how tenuous, and ignore anything that makes you look foolish.

Whatever makes you happy. When I'm less busy I'll reply your one-sided watery post.

Then I look forward to reading your immensely biased, crackpot excuses.

Le Samourai wrote:Spain - South Korea 2002 : My 2nd favorite Spain team of all time (after 2008). We could have won the World Cup that year.

Madrid - Alcorcon / Madrid-Lyon 2010 - Wins in these would have saved Pelle's job and give him some time to buy the players he actually wanted, leading to a period of dominance for us

France - Italy 2006 - France should have won.

A former country man having the same thoughts as mine.

Oh yeah I completely forgot the 2006 WC Final. France deserved that win.

The_Badger wrote:

stevieg8 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:The injustice that was the Man U vs. Porto game in 2004 would be one.

Another injustice was the 2005 CL final. Gerrard diving for a penalty and Dudek being off his line during the shoot out.

Spain/Italy vs. South Korea in 2002 WC.

:lol:surely this is trolling... Gerrard diving for that penalty? It was a clear foul on the last man through, the only confusing thing about the call is that it was made without a red card alongside it.

Gattuso didn't touch him though. Gerrard dived like he regularly does.

You agree Dudek was off his line though?

Dudek was slightly off the line, but the non-call wasn't that crazy, especially considering Dida had played similarly in the penalty shootout. To claim it decided the game is crazy, and to complain about calls when Milan shouldn't have even made it to extra time (one of their goals only happened because of a clear non-call less than 30 seconds before).

But if you're going to claim that Gattuso didn't touch Gerrard, I'm not sure why I'm arguing with you to begin with. Clearly your eyesight isn't that great, there have been millions of replays and documentaries and camera angles since then and the foul was clear. You can go on believing whatever you wish, I'll stick to the real world.

I can't believe you are talking about the 2005 CL final  

stevieg8 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:

stevieg8 wrote:

:lol:surely this is trolling... Gerrard diving for that penalty? It was a clear foul on the last man through, the only confusing thing about the call is that it was made without a red card alongside it.

Gattuso didn't touch him though. Gerrard dived like he regularly does.

You agree Dudek was off his line though?

Dudek was slightly off the line, but the non-call wasn't that crazy, especially considering Dida had played similarly in the penalty shootout.  To claim it decided the game is crazy, and to complain about calls when Milan shouldn't have even made it to extra time (one of their goals only happened because of a clear non-call less than  30 seconds before).

But if you're going to claim that Gattuso didn't touch Gerrard, I'm not sure why I'm arguing with you to begin with.  Clearly your eyesight isn't that great, there have been millions of replays and documentaries and camera angles since then and the foul was clear.  You can go on believing whatever you wish, I'll stick to the real world.

Gerrard dived, it's what he does. He's a cheat and a disgrace to football. Dudek was yards off his line and the official should have allowed the penalties to have been retaken. It was an absolute travesty of a game as far as officials go and Gerrard wil forever live in the knowledge that the only thing of note he won at Liverpool was tainted.

Argentina-Germany 90' World Cup Final... The most painful game I ever watched.

Doc wrote:
A former country man having the same thoughts as mine.  

One don't simply stop being Trini

The_Badger wrote:
Gerrard dived, it's what he does. He's a cheat and a disgrace to football. Dudek was yards off his line and the official should have allowed the penalties to have been retaken. It was an absolute travesty of a game as far as officials go and Gerrard wil forever live in the knowledge that the only thing of note he won at Liverpool was tainted.

I can't even..

Calciopoli
The thing that destroyed ITALIAN FOOTBALL
#@$!@ Inter #!@##$ $!@#
#!@##!

Portugal vs Greece 2004.

SaintJoe wrote:Portugal vs Greece 2004.

A sensational match! IT really broke Cristiano's heart. It looked like he really wanted to win his first international trophy in his first international. This tournament was cursed. Italy crashed out in the group stages with Denmark and Sweden tying in the last match. There were rumors that there was a conspiracy.

Roma - Sampdoria 1-2 in 2010, allowed Inter to surpass us and claim the title, still have a hole in my wall for that one. We dominated the game, but Cassano and Pazzini made us pay. We had a clear penalty in that one in the second half, not given.

Roma - Arsenal in 2009 (2-1 for Arsenal on penalties). Conceded a penalty in the first match, did everything but finish in the return leg at home. We had so many chances to score a second goal, but couldn't put it away. Vucinic missed his penalty with one of the worst kicks I've ever seen and Tonetto blasted his shot over.

Germany 0-2 Italy 2006
Chelsea 1(4)-(3)1 Bayern 2012
United 2-1 Bayern 1999

CL final, 2008. Imagine, Chelsea could have two CL's by now.

this thread is just how I imagined it

anyways,

Barcelona 2009
Bayern Munich 2010
Man City game in 2011-2012
Madrid CL 2013 - Madrid fanboy crooked Turkish ref changed at least

France didn't deserve s#$% in 2006. They came second in their group to Switzerland, only scored in the semis and the final through penalties which came from dives and instead of blaming Materazzi blame Zidane for not keeping his cool on the biggest stage in football from a little bit of trash talking which players do all the time. Italy was the best team in the tournament.

For me I wouldn't change the result, but wish Dante had gotten that deserved red which may have changed the game in BVB's favor.

The_Badger wrote:

stevieg8 wrote:

The_Badger wrote:The injustice that was the Man U vs. Porto game in 2004 would be one.

Another injustice was the 2005 CL final. Gerrard diving for a penalty and Dudek being off his line during the shoot out.

Spain/Italy vs. South Korea in 2002 WC.

:lol:surely this is trolling... Gerrard diving for that penalty? It was a clear foul on the last man through, the only confusing thing about the call is that it was made without a red card alongside it.

Gattuso didn't touch him though. Gerrard dived like he regularly does.

You agree Dudek was off his line though?

Gerrard didn't dive. If you look closely he was clipped by Gattuso which was accidental. No one with common sense would dive in that situation to take a gamble on getting a penalty when he could have had a shot right in front of goal.

England v Argentina 98 World Cup. England deserved to go through.

Chelsea v Barcelona 2009 CL semi final 2nd leg.

Italy v South Korea 2002 World cup.

Porto v United 2004 CL.

Gattuso did just enough so that Gerrard couldnt hit the ball properly, Regardless of Gerrard going down easily or whatever you guys think, It was a foul by Gattuso and a clear red card which he didnt get .
If it was a dive people/media would have made a HUGE issue about it, It was a CL final ffs. People like you are the only ones that try to make it an issue and obviously you guys are in the minority..

Kaka dived for the free kick just before you scored your first goal... the crap that goes unnoticed, eh.

Anyway. Gerrard did not dive. It was an obvious penalty. With that said, it wasn't a red for Gattuso. I've seen the final like 50 times, Gattuso wasn't the last man. There were 2 players that restricted Gattuso being the last man.