Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Gil Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:00 pm
It's impossible to rank players from different eras.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Valkyrja Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:03 pm
Based on his achievments.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Vibe Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:05 pm
If there wasn't for Messi,CR would be easily rated among the best of all time.He had the misfortune of being rivaled by Messi and brilliant Barcelona.Bad timing...I also have more respect for CR than Messi,cause he worked like hell to achieve what he has.Messi just happened to have a ridiculous amount of talent.Not lessening the success of Messi,of course.Even though Ronaldo is a *bleep*.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Die Borussen Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:09 pm
history is overrated
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by The Franchise Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:09 pm
Achievements? Not the best way to rank players really.
Wouldnt Seedorf's achievements make him better than alot of people?
Should be based on his playing level surely?
Wouldnt Seedorf's achievements make him better than alot of people?
Should be based on his playing level surely?
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by RealGunner Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:11 pm
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:11 pm
Vibe wrote:If there wasn't for Messi,CR would be easily rated among the best of all time.He had the misfortune of being rivaled by Messi and brilliant Barcelona.Bad timing...I also have more respect for CR than Messi,cause he worked like hell to achieve what he has.Messi just happened to have a ridiculous amount of talent.Not lessening the success of Messi,of course.Even though Ronaldo is a *bleep*.
Nah the only area he competes with Messi is goalscoring and the best players ever like Messi dominated all over the pitch.....
CR is great and all but he wouldn't be an all time great if Messi didn't exist.
I'd also argue that Messi is the reason CR pushed himself so much and would be a lesser player without him.
This is what makes Messi so great even if he couldn't finish he would still be the best player in the world.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Milantildeath Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:20 pm
JUUUUUUUUST Behind Messi 
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Blue Barrett Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:33 pm
That's just the simple truth.Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Vibe wrote:If there wasn't for Messi,CR would be easily rated among the best of all time.He had the misfortune of being rivaled by Messi and brilliant Barcelona.Bad timing...I also have more respect for CR than Messi,cause he worked like hell to achieve what he has.Messi just happened to have a ridiculous amount of talent.Not lessening the success of Messi,of course.Even though Ronaldo is a *bleep*.
Nah the only area he competes with Messi is goalscoring and the best players ever like Messi dominated all over the pitch.....
CR is great and all but he wouldn't be an all time great if Messi didn't exist.
I'd also argue that Messi is the reason CR pushed himself so much and would be a lesser player without him.
This is what makes Messi so great even if he couldn't finish he would still be the best player in the world.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Valkyrja Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:34 pm
I think that's valid for Messi too. These 2 guys can't be separated IMO.
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by The Franchise Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:40 pm
They can. I dont even know why they are rivals honestly. They stopped being that in 09' at the VERY latest. Since then it has been one way traffic.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Lord Spencer Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:48 pm
Football intelligence is the common denominator between all greats from all eras. Offensives players are the most remembered.
Messi along with Ibra are the smartest offensive players for the last few years. CR is a beast, but he is honestly not to the level of Messi. Messi easily evolved into an all time great the last two years, his play is quiter but much more effective. It is not his goalscoring record who makes him such, bu his overall play. His record won't be the same if he plays for Milan for example, but he would still be the best offensive talent in football.
Messi along with Ibra are the smartest offensive players for the last few years. CR is a beast, but he is honestly not to the level of Messi. Messi easily evolved into an all time great the last two years, his play is quiter but much more effective. It is not his goalscoring record who makes him such, bu his overall play. His record won't be the same if he plays for Milan for example, but he would still be the best offensive talent in football.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by BarrileteCosmico Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:52 pm
Vibe you don't seriously think Messi is Ronaldinho, right? No one can sustain that level of performance without serious work, and Messi has a fantastic work ethic. His talent may shine, but there's a serious amount of hard work behind it.Vibe wrote:If there wasn't for Messi,CR would be easily rated among the best of all time.He had the misfortune of being rivaled by Messi and brilliant Barcelona.Bad timing...I also have more respect for CR than Messi,cause he worked like hell to achieve what he has.Messi just happened to have a ridiculous amount of talent.Not lessening the success of Messi,of course.Even though Ronaldo is a *bleep*.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Lord Spencer Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:54 pm
Talent with work = Pele.
Talent without work = Garrincha.
Messi is definitely no Garrincha
Talent without work = Garrincha.
Messi is definitely no Garrincha
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Valkyrja Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:03 pm
But Ronaldo is maybe the most hard-working player ever. (speaking of all-time greats, because he obviously is)
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Donuts Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:15 pm
Obviously how.. you stalk him in practice?likeastar wrote:But Ronaldo is maybe the most hard-working player ever. (speaking of all-time greats, because he obviously is)
People here saying Ronaldo works harder then Messi is a more than stupid statement I mean honest first of all how do you even judge that?
By appearance? please explain because I could simply counter that and say had Ronaldo spent less time tanning and working on his hair he'd be better.. lol
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by The Sanchez Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:20 pm
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:24 pm
likeastar wrote:But Ronaldo is maybe the most hard-working player ever. (speaking of all-time greats, because he obviously is)
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Gil Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:27 pm
To be fair Ronaldo work ethic is remarkable. The "all time" crap was some unnecessary hyperbole though.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:32 pm
Gil wrote:To be fair Ronaldo work ethic is remarkable. The "all time" crap was some unnecessary hyperbole though.
Yeah that's why i did it, without the all time part it would have been ignored.
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Donuts Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:34 pm
What makes you guys believe he is the hardest worker is still my question.
How do you judge that?
How do you judge that?
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by LeBéninois Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:08 am
He is a great player : same bracket than Rivalodo, ronaldinho, Henry , raul , eto'o , iniesta, drogba, xavi, figo , ... even if he didn't win many trophies like them.
but what make people remmenber you as a great player is the emotions you give to them and this is why this thread's title is written as a question. Ronaldo has scored 171 in 171 for Real wich is awesome but did he score emotionals/importants goals like eto'o for example ( 2 goals in 2 finals for barcelona, and the one in 2006 against arsenal almost made me almost cry)
He is seen as a goal machine, too bad. Scoring the last P-K against Spain and brought Portugal to the finals for example is a way to make history
but what make people remmenber you as a great player is the emotions you give to them and this is why this thread's title is written as a question. Ronaldo has scored 171 in 171 for Real wich is awesome but did he score emotionals/importants goals like eto'o for example ( 2 goals in 2 finals for barcelona, and the one in 2006 against arsenal almost made me almost cry)
He is seen as a goal machine, too bad. Scoring the last P-K against Spain and brought Portugal to the finals for example is a way to make history
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Re: Where does Cristiano Ronaldo fit in football's history ?
by Albiceleste Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:20 am
...likeastar wrote:But Ronaldo is maybe the most hard-working player ever. (speaking of all-time greats, because he obviously is)
OT: Smack dab right in front of Ibra, by the skin of his teeth. In the top 50-100 area as RG said. Far too many players to get more specific than that.
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by FennecFox7 Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:22 am
Albiceleste wrote:...likeastar wrote:But Ronaldo is maybe the most hard-working player ever. (speaking of all-time greats, because he obviously is)
OT: Smack dab right in front of Ibra, by the skin of his teeth. In the top 50-100 area as RG said. Far too many players to get more specific than that.
No way.. at least top 25.
I can't say top 10 with certainty however
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