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Post by guest7 Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:08 pm

Since these two will be battling for the AM spot next season... Who would you choose as your AM?
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Post by urbaNRoots Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:18 pm

lol :facepalm:

Özil is the one of the best AM's in the world, what do you expect people to say?
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:25 pm

Ozil by far
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Post by Mamad Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:25 pm

So soon. It's like comparing Thiago with Iniesta.
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Post by McAgger Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:27 pm

Both will be starting. I'm pretty sure during the course of a match both will get minutes at AM.
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Post by RealGunner Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:38 pm

Ozil by far lol.
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Post by futbol Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:40 pm

I don't see how they will fit together. They are occupying the same spaces. Even worse if they really buy Bale. There is no way to accommodate Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, Isco, Özil in 1 lineup. Madrid bought him just because Isco is Spanish. lol

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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:44 pm

Isco can play out wide without it hindering his performance
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Post by chad4401 Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:55 pm

godzil easy
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Post by guest7 Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:34 pm

I guess I'm the only one with a different opinion

Özil's 3 years in madrid can be described with 1 word: inconsistent. Hence why I think Isco will replace him. I don't even think Özil is more talented, they're both equally talented. You guys are forgetting how KAKA out of all players could bench Özil... Imagine what Isco could do to take the starting spot from Özil.

In the end, Isco will be our starting AM becouse he is actually consistent, while Özil hasn't been so other than 1 single season (his first)
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:48 pm

Ozil was better in the 2011-12 than 10-11.
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Post by Le Samourai Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:00 pm

A battle would disappoint me deeply. They compliment each other and would enjoy playing together.

Isco has not been a model of consistency either - I saw more consistency from Ozil year before last than I saw in Isco this season.

Kaka has never at any point outplayed Ozil or merited being put on the same pitch as the players around him - his place was borne out of desperation, injuries or both and not due to any perceived inconsistency on Ozil's part.
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Post by FennecFox7 Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:10 pm

ozil flopped in a few games. But he wasnt total crap this season
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Post by MadridiCanada Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:13 pm

lol Ozil is best AM in the world.

but Isco is the future iniesta. he is stilll very youg
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:25 pm

Le Samourai wrote:Isco has not been a model of consistency either - I saw more consistency from Ozil year before last than I saw in Isco this season..

DO you mean performing well one game and then bad another, or just disappearing during games? Because i noticed the latter. He is still young though and it seems to happen to a lot of youngsters were they just don't get involved for periods of time.
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:02 pm

Rebaño Sagrado wrote:
Le Samourai wrote:Isco has not been a model of consistency either - I saw more consistency from Ozil year before last than I saw in Isco this season..

DO you mean performing well one game and then bad another, or just disappearing during games? Because i noticed the latter. He is still young though and it seems to happen to a lot of youngsters were they just don't get involved for periods of time.

You hit the nail on the head. I can only recall a couple games where he simply played poorly but on many occasions he drifts out of the game. Maybe it's because he's young and the task of carrying a team offensively is exhausting.

Still it's worrying considering the likelihood of similar issues is amplified by the expected withdrawal of touches and opportunities. This occurred while the entire team was playing through him, one can only expect it will be a bigger problem with us.
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Post by Casciavit Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:44 pm

Whenever I've watched Isco I've noticed that he disappears from the game way too often.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:53 pm

Most AMs disappears from the game.... its just how its always been because where they are effective its impossible for them to be always there controlling the game like a CM.

As for the question i personally believe they will play together but obviously you pick Ozil over Isco at this point.

Also i think people will be surprised what type of player Isco is over the next few years..... he's very Kaka like and i don't think many people realise that.
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Post by Adit Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:28 pm

He isnt Kaka like dude, Kaka is a player who was a great dribbler on the run and with a Fantastic shooting ability.

While isco is no where near as agile/quick as Kaka nor does he try those fast run at the defense type attacks..he is extremely good dribbler in tight spaces and relay on technique rather than pace for his dribbling and he has just a good shot nothing comparable to kaka..he is like a silva/iniesta hybrid to me.
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Post by Valkyrja Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:41 pm

Isco is by no means like Kaka.
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Post by Rebaño Sagrado Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:04 pm

Le Samourai wrote:You hit the nail on the head. I can only recall a couple games where he simply played poorly but on many occasions he drifts out of the game. Maybe it's because he's young and the task of carrying a team offensively is exhausting.

Still it's worrying considering the likelihood of similar issues is amplified by the expected withdrawal of touches and opportunities. This occurred while the entire team was playing through him, one can only expect it will be a bigger problem with us.

Well at Madrid he wont have to carry that burden by himself. Ozil and isco will have to share the ball but I think both will benefit. Ozil has basically been the only creator on the team since he arrived and now he has someone that will help him carry the load. Ozil no matter how inconsistent he can be is still a amazing player and can help Isco grow. if these two can click...oh lawd Shocked
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Post by Le Samourai Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Most AMs disappears from the game.... its just how its always been because where they are effective its impossible for them to be always there controlling the game like a CM.

As for the question i personally believe they will play together but obviously you pick Ozil over Isco at this point.

Also i think people will be surprised what type of player Isco is over the next few years..... he's very Kaka like and i don't think many people realise that.

Kaka might seem an odd comparison but it's a valid one. I think he's more adaptable than Kaka - he'll be a better passer and can adapt to different systems well but the main point is probably he's an excellent dribbler with a automatic shot. But there are divergences, if nothing else just the fact that he's very comfortable in a passing game seems to indicate that.

It will be interesting to see if Acelotti uses him in that mold because it's a very channeled one. I'm hoping he focuses on eliminating both Ozil's and Isco's weaknesses rather than emphasizing their strengths. Both have the potential to be much more versatile than they are at the moment.

@Rebano - Once he works on his passing being here will definitely help. I'm looking for a complete skill set from our attackers - I trust Ozil, Isco and Benz to make good decisions with the ball so the most important thing for them is to develop the range of skills necessary to compliment each and capitalize on what they create. So Ozil needs to be a better scorer, Benz needs to be a better passing option off the ball and Isco needs to be a better/more willing passer - that's probably a simplistic model of what they need to work on.

Not expecting that next season but it's my long term hope.
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Post by Gil Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:21 pm

Isco will have the longetivity that Kaka lacked but his 'peak' as a footballer will be nowhere near as high.

He doesn't have Kaka's strength, power and pace nor is he anywhere near as devastating in transition as Kaka was in his prime. Doubt he'll be a consistent goalscorer as well.

How about we see if he's as good as Mata, Silva and Cazorla before we starting comparing him to Kaka.
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Post by MadridiCanada Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:37 pm

Isco = Mix of Iniesta and Silva
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Post by Onyx Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:55 pm

Isco doesn't really need pace, power and strength in order to be better than Kaka.

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