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Post by futbol Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:10 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22877408

Barcelona footballer Lionel Messi and his father are being investigated in Spain for allegedly defrauding the state of more than 4m euros (£3.4m).

The Argentina forward and his father, Jorge, are suspected of filing fraudulent tax returns for 2007-09, Spanish tax officials say.



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Post by Juveman17 Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:25 pm

And Ronaldo is the bad guy Laughing
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Post by Gil Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:26 pm

Lock him up.
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Post by Collblanc Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Hope he gets the death penalty.
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Post by Collblanc Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:28 pm

And anyone believing Messi, or his father, fill out their own tax papers is a complete moron. Probably a accountant/financial controller that screwed up, gets fired now and Messi paying the taxes anyways + a fine. I dont believe ANYONE would fraude with taxes these days, it always reveals.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:38 pm

To be fair Spain's tax system is pretty poorly enforced. Only reason these guys were caught is because they are public figures.

Regular folks are able to cheat the system pretty easily to make their total payouts cheaper.

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Post by sportsczy Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:47 pm

You can't blame your accountant when you sign your tax returns... Also, every wealthy person i know tries to avoid taxes and almost always dances around the line of legal and illegal in doing so.

Not reporting assets that you feel are unlikely to be found is a very, very common practice.

Doesn't make Messi a bad guy. He just got caught and needs to pay the resulting fines. Most people understand the consequences... as long as you're able to make payment if caught, nobody cares tbh.
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Post by EL Patron Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:55 pm

He has obviously been taking advice from Harry
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Post by Doc Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:57 pm

Messi's people know what they were doing and subsequently, probably have made arrangements if things went sour. Nothing but paying a fine, hell, they might even get to pay in monthly increments too.
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Post by Collblanc Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:57 pm

Offcourse you cant blame them - my family has a financial controller for several houses, incomes and investments, I dont do my own taxes but the controller does, I just sign it without checking. You would think someone getting paid that much money anually does his work correctly. Wink This probably is regarding a second house in Argentina, or some money being transferred to a company run by Messi in Andorra, Monaco or something, wich was not supposed be done.
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Post by Doc Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:08 pm

Then Messi needs to read what he is signing and read properly. Ignorance is not an excuse for not knowing the law.
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Post by Guest Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:19 pm

Isnt Argentine Spanish vastly different from Spain Spanish? Thy could certainly plead language ignorance if they wanted to.

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Post by Highburied Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:23 pm

Doc wrote:Then Messi needs to read what he is signing and read properly. Ignorance is not an excuse for not knowing the law.

Exactly.

The other guy has no clue how the system works.

When tax agents knock in your house, there's gotta be something.

I hope messi didnt cheat though. He has a big reputation in line.
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Post by Onyx Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:37 pm

Messi wrote on his Facebook page:

Messi wrote: "We have just known through the media about the claim filed by the Spanish tax authorities. We are surprised about this news, because we have never committed any infringement.

"We have always fulfilled all our tax obligations, following the advice of our tax consultants who will take care in clarifying this situation."

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Post by VivaStPauli Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:47 pm

Uli Hoeness' future prison wife.
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Post by McAgger Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:29 pm

Seems like Hoeness has been tapping up Messi all this while
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Post by Highburied Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:05 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:Uli Hoeness' future prison wife.

Post of the year.
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Post by braylann Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:41 pm

He is Argentine. Of course there is tax fraud.

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Post by LeSwagg James Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:38 am

Jail him, end this Barca era once and for all :coffee:
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Post by The Sanchez Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:56 am

This will all be solved within a few days with no penalty's/punishment. Not even sure whether this is true or not given that Messi or his father have not been informed...
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Post by Tomwin Lannister Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:04 am

Messi's off to Jail.

Torres will replace him and all will be right in the universe Proud
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Post by BarcaLearning Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:21 pm

Greed is such a devil, who knows, even family member can take advantage, let alone the number of parties involved in managing the ridiculous amount of money top footballers earn. These things usually end up with a minimal penalty even if found guilty anyway Razz
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Post by lenear1030 Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:30 pm

Tomwin Lannister wrote:Messi's off to Jail.

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Post by schrutebucks Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

Is this the same judicial system that destroyed doping evidence in Spanish sports? Yeah, I've got the feeling that Messi will be fine.
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Post by 6960000 Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:37 pm

Finally, the squeaky clean Messi has gained some notoriety banana

Now he's truly a legend. The desperate government just wants some money and make an example of a prominent public figure. 

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22877408

"The player and his father are accused of three crimes of defrauding the state of taxes related to income from the use of his image.

They are suspected of using companies abroad - in Belize and Uruguay - to sell the rights to use the image.

The accusation is that with the help of firms based outside Spain, where he lives and plays club football, Messi and his father avoided paying more than 4m euros in tax."

I think Messi's entourage will get it taken care of. Speculations of jail time are just media hype.


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