Syria

Didn't this chemical attack happen literally the day after Trump mentioned withdrawing the US from the area?

I don't even follow these shit shows now, lies and secret agendas everywhere. We just get whatever viewpoint our government want to feed us via the news and pretend we're informed when we know jack shit.

Bellabong wrote:It's nearly hilarious that this happens after I hear about the situation surrounding the 1st gulf war.

"They are ripping newborns out of incubators"
-Poor Kuwaiti refugee girl

This sent the world/UN into n uproar and everyone started supporting intervention in the Kuwait invasion.

The girl that made that testimony turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US.

I don't believe anything anymore.

ditto!

Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.

Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life.

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.

futbol wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.

Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life.

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.

america. damned if they do damned if they dont.

TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

The ten commandments of propaganda:

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it.

Point 1.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:use chemical weapons

Points 5 and 6.

futbol wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:Also Trump is an idiot but nobody could reasonably expect us to sit back as Assad gassed women and children. Its a war crime. He's lucky we only bombed his ability to use them in the immediate future. Gadaffi got much worse after just using words.

Imagine living in a world where you actually believe it's in the interest of the US to protect some arab children 10000 miles away. Imagine living that life.

There is the average politically-informed US citizen for you.

Its in the interest of Every person that kids and women are not gassed by an angry despot proving a point.

Also why is it just the US getting the brunt of the blame for this? Your Neighbors France and the UK also sent missiles into Syria because of this.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

the fact that russia has come out and said that no chemical weapons were even used tells you they are covering up for assad

BarrileteCosmico wrote:TBF it is a no win situation.

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it. This is one of the only things he has been consistent about, so we can be pretty sure that's the case.

Let's also remind everyone that the last time this happened Obama wanted to go to war with Syria (or at least pretend like he would honor his "red line") but was instead able to come to a peaceful solution with Assad where he claimed he wold no longer use chemical weapons, that he would destroy his cache, and that he would not build any more.

Now, if it was Assad the one that used these chemical weapons, what consequences should he face for breaking that agreement? Surely you can't agree to not do something, then do it, and expect nothing will change. If for no other reason than that the US's word needs to mean something for future diplomacy.

But why would Assad use chemical weapons in a battle he's about to win anyways when he knows he could generate the wrath of the western powers? Doesn't make a lot of sense either. So the theory that it was the rebels that used it has some merit.

So in conclusion no one knows what's going on. The US has 2 teams of experts in Syria and it would have been better to let them analyze the chemical weapon attack sites first rather than jump at a stance. But even if we knew for a fact that chemical weapons were used, we would never know by whom, and the US would still be stuck in this "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

Everybody knows what is going on.

Stop buying these chemical suck theory. Another WOMD .

The root cause of this gulf war is countries not trading in Dollars and also to make people rich by weapon manufacture and sales.


Agree with Futbol.

Americans here genuinely seem to believe that their government intervene and cause civil wars just to save people of that country. These people are in a bubble.

futbol wrote:The ten commandments of propaganda:

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred.
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Let's start off from the fact that Trump wants to GTFO Syria and nothing to do with it.

Point 1.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:use chemical weapons

Points 5 and 6.

End of thread imo

Germans know better than anyone on how to start a war when there is no issue.

Adit wrote:
Germans know better than anyone on how to start a war when there is no issue.

We did that, like, once!

So only Bismarck orchestrated a war? :p

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to the rest

World of Tank
or Fury
in real life

There is no safe place
even for children
in northern Syria.

8 schools have been targeted
since the morning so far in Idlib
with cluster bombs and airstrikes.

10 people have been killed so far.......

https://twitter.com/hanscarlos/status/1232519364198490112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcarigold.com%2Fforum%2Fthreads%2Fterkini-update-kebangkitan-revolusi-rakyat-syria-part-2.655937%2Fpage-854

Ruzzia (and Assad) losing on another frontline

Erdogan-backed militants are taking over Aleppo.

I contacted my friends in Aleppo and they told me that militants of al-Nusra Front begun dismantling decorations and destroying Christmas trees in the city. A big number of residents are fleeing due to fears of violence & terrorism caused by Erdogan's mercenaries.

— Kevork Almassian (@KevorkAlmassian) November 30, 2024

Like similar to what Kyiv will look like when these Russian bastards are finally gone, Aleppo celebrating tonight, the ousting of the Russian-backed Assad forces from the city.

It took Russians 5 years to conquer the city but only 2 days to lose it. pic.twitter.com/ccEGc0l6Mg

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) November 29, 2024

Myesyats wrote:

Like similar to what Kyiv will look like when these Russian bastards are finally gone, Aleppo celebrating tonight, the ousting of the Russian-backed Assad forces from the city.

It took Russians 5 years to conquer the city but only 2 days to lose it. pic.twitter.com/ccEGc0l6Mg

— Jay in Kyiv (@JayinKyiv) November 29, 2024

They are beheading people and executing surrendered soldiers point blank. these are not the Free Syrian Army "moderate rebels", it's HTS (Al Qaeda offshoot in Syria) and you shouldn't cheer for them.

NSFW warning

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1862855441404887364

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1862909840760132066

https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1862921260725903459

These people are animals. i don't like Assad but if his government falls these sort of Jihadi ISIS groups will take over and with the open borders through Turkey you can probably guess who they are gonna terrorize next.

Yeah just because I posted a tweet that said a certain thing doesnt mean I am celebrating or agree with it. Maybe I shouldn't have posted it if it gave you that impression

I just used search to look for anything Aleppo related, the post before highlighted the terrorism caused by these Erdogan-backed mercenaries...

If its that hard to believe, I just use go by search and not stick and single source of information... And if you believe I've been propagandized about Russia, a country who took over mine for 45 years, bastardized and trashed it in very recent times then more power to you lol. You can't even begin to imagine what Russia has done to my ancestors for centuries and understand our historical dynamic

You literally keep posting LordBebo who is a Russian narrative outlet and did I ever comment on that? No, because the only way is to grapple with the argument not with name calling

don't tell me this is accurate bc if it is....

Damascus expected to fall, U.S. officials say, as insurgents surround Syrian capital

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syrian-insurgents-suburbs-of-damascus/?linkId=682419429

Syria about to become the largest hotbed for Jihadi terrorism soon. can't wait to see the West cry wolf again while a suicide bomber blows himself up in the middle of Paris. don't say we didn't tell you so. you reap what you sow.

Yesterday's terrorists are today's freedom fighters and tomorrow's terrorists once again  Pretty much sums up the West's relationship with Islamist terrorism for over a century.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-urges-israel-to-support-uprising-strike-iran-backed-forces/

The PR they're getting at the moment is a bit insane

farfan wrote:https://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-urges-israel-to-support-uprising-strike-iran-backed-forces/

The PR they're getting at the moment is a bit insane

Of course they are happy. the Greater Israel project seems to be going at full speed.

The collective Western reporting of Syria this week puts me in mind of this all-timer. pic.twitter.com/3RmVuBjjnq

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) December 7, 2024

I was about to say that Eerie 1989 Al Qaeda vibes from these reactions.

We remain committed to bringing leading AQS figures in HTS to justice. #Syria pic.twitter.com/R8evqffWum

— U.S. Embassy Syria (@USEmbassySyria) May 15, 2017

Lmao