How many top/world class XI's can Spain and Brazil make?

Romero; - Zabaleta - Garay - Fernandez - Ansaldi; - Gago - Mascherano - Di Maria; - Messi - Aguero - Higuain

Caballero; - Zanetti - Coloccini - Samuel - Campagnaro; - Banega - Costa; - Lavezzi - Palacio - Tevez - Lamela

Orion; - Clemente - Demichelis - Roncaglia - Insua; - Cambiasso - Lucho; - Pastore - Icardi - Barcos - Scocco

Saja; - Otamendi - Burdisso - Fazio - Rojo; - Yacob - Biglia - Gaitan - Montillo; - LiLopez - Milito

why cant i hold all this talent the first two XIs are world class

Albiceleste wrote:Romero; - Zabaleta - Garay - Fernandez - Ansaldi; - Gago - Mascherano - Di Maria; - Messi - Aguero - Higuain

Caballero; - Zanetti - Coloccini - Samuel - Campagnaro; - Banega - Costa; - Lavezzi - Palacio - Tevez - Lamela

Orion; - Clemente - Demichelis - Roncaglia - Insua; - Cambiasso - Lucho; - Pastore - Icardi - Barcos - Scocco

Saja; - Otamendi - Burdisso - Fazio - Rojo; - Yacob - Biglia - Gaitan - Montillo; - LiLopez - Milito

why cant i hold all this talent the first two XIs are world class

not even close to world class. the first one is close, but not a world class XI. I can think of at least 3 better GKs than romero. Not trying to talk ish but there is a difference between a good XI and a world class/top xi that this thread is asking for.

Im stunned by some of the responses to this thread

R.I.P the term 'World class'

It was fighting a losing battle for a long, long time but now it has gave way to the afterlife. :'(

Albiceleste wrote:Romero; - Zabaleta - Garay - Fernandez - Ansaldi; - Gago - Mascherano - Di Maria; - Messi - Aguero - Higuain

Caballero; - Zanetti - Coloccini - Samuel - Campagnaro; - Banega - Costa; - Lavezzi - Palacio - Tevez - Lamela

Orion; - Clemente - Demichelis - Roncaglia - Insua; - Cambiasso - Lucho; - Pastore - Icardi - Barcos - Scocco

Saja; - Otamendi - Burdisso - Fazio - Rojo; - Yacob - Biglia - Gaitan - Montillo; - LiLopez - Milito

why cant i hold all this talent the first two XIs are world class

Not even one team in that list can be called a 'World Class' team.

Not even one team in that list has more than two world class players.

A world class team =/= 11 world class players

A world class team is one that is of quality that can be considered among the best in the world.

And Argentina is not (inb4 rankings)

Albiceleste wrote:A world class team =/= 11 world class players

A world class team is one that is of quality that can be considered among the best in the world.

sure, if you want to look at it that way then in all fairness my definition of WC is very strict.

on the other hand, players like otamendi have no business even being thought of in a thread that is asking for top/word class XIs. And im not being a fanboy either. You cant make a full WC xi of italian players either.

And TBH, if you are going to look at it the way you are looking at it, just simply cut and paste the national team lineups, as by definition, they are the best the countries have to offer.

italians and germans on the defensive, my clearly world class teams are laughed off while no one says anything about the Cannavaro Azpilicueta Ogbonna Giaccherini Alex Torres Pedro Giovinco Javi Garcia line ups these haters

Surag wrote:And Argentina is not (inb4 rankings)

Tbf they have been unbeaten for over a year, they look brilliant at the moment.

As for the thread i don't consider any team Brazil can muster to be WC atm but Spain can for sure come up with one but i doubt two.

I think i have a stricter view of the term WC than most people.

Surag wrote:And Argentina is not (inb4 rankings)

pls

The Nature Boy wrote:

Albiceleste wrote:A world class team =/= 11 world class players

A world class team is one that is of quality that can be considered among the best in the world.

sure, if you want to look at it that way then in all fairness my definition of WC is very strict.

on the other hand, players like otamendi have no business even being thought of in a thread that is asking for top/word class XIs. And im not being a fanboy either. You cant make a full WC xi of italian players either.

And TBH, if you are going to look at it the way you are looking at it, just simply cut and paste the national team lineups, as by definition, they are the best the countries have to offer.

Otamendi has been decent this season and better than some of the CBs mentioned in supposedly some "world class teams" in this thread, and I am not calling him top or world class, but decent. Thats the point, a world class team doesnt necessarily need to have each position with a world class player, case in point Argentina right now, our defense is far from world class but our team is probably the best in the world atm (imo).

Also LM Argentina's team is not WC across the board lol.

Your midfield is not and neither is your defence, it just so happens your attack is probably better than any ones

but they play like it so thats all that matters

Gago - Masche - Di Maria is world class doe

I agree Gago-Masch-Di Maria chemistry and understanding is fantastic and makes them play far above what their natural ability says they are capable of.

I find it difficult to say its WC though

I really dont know if i can consider Brazil or Argentina as world class teams when they havent done anything significant in major international tournaments in the past few years.

And regarding that unbeaten record ,it also involves a lot of friendlies in there too which exactly isnt a great measure to rate teams.

I know Argentina have done very well in the Qualifiers defeating some really good teams but on the big stage(WC,Copa) is where it matters imo and it is where they have to step up.I am not going to be convinced until then.

4-3-2-1

Julio Caesar
Dani Alves - Thiago Silva - Marquinhos - Marcelo
Ramires - Paulinho - Hernanes
Kaka - Ganso
Neymar

Thats a XI

ot but its frustrating to read people writing Ceaser or Caesar

As soon as we stop being world class, I'll stop calling us world class

Surag wrote:I really dont know if i can consider Brazil or Argentina as world class teams when they havent done anything significant in major international tournaments in the past few years.

Very true but they can only beat who they come up against and be it qualifiers or friendlies they have beaten them all in the past year.

Obviously the WC will be the true litmus test but they have beaten some quality teams during their run and quite easily too.

Albiceleste, I'm not discriminating I called out all the teams pretty much so far.

Ganso marquinhos paulinho and kaka are not world class.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:I agree Gago-Masch-Di Maria chemistry and understanding is fantastic and makes them play far above what their natural ability says they are capable of.

I find it difficult to say its WC though

What's not WC about Iniesta - Masche - Di Maria? Each player is top in his position (or was before they got turned into a CB )

Ganso is world class. (imo )

seriously though if you consider a WC team a team that is made up of only wc players then only the 1970 Brazil team and 1974 Dutch Nt were world class.....

Surely Zanetti, Banega, Lavezzi and Tevez are World Class?

Ganso wrote:Ganso is world class. (imo )

seriously though if you consider a WC team a team that is made up of only wc players then only the 1970 Brazil team and 1974 Dutch Nt were world class.....

Well I agree. But I think we need to clarify something.

I've been posting saying Ppl are wrong.BC I.don't believe that any team bar Spain can field 11 world class players. If that is what the thread is asking for, then that is why I state an opinion like.you.did, Regis.

If not, if Ppl are just posting a collection of players that can make a top 11, then its a bit more lenient.

Still half these rosters are good, not great